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05/14/2008 01:18:15 AM · #451 |
And to  doyle who took fourth place! And krnodil who took 15th place! This was a good week for TS. :)
Message edited by author 2008-05-14 01:23:31.
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05/14/2008 08:42:33 AM · #452 |
Soft Focus IV
Votes: 33
Views: 50
Avg Vote: 4.6970
Comments: 0
I like this shot soooo much. Oh, well.
Want to throw out an observation here - for all our grumbling about how DPC prefers colorful shots, it is an interesting case study to observe the overall voter reaction towards both mine and quiet_observation's entries in the Triangle challenge - two takes on the same scene, one supposedly DPC-friendlier than the other (color vs. b&w). Clearly, there is a healthy contingent out there that has an appreciation for the path less traveled (the path less traveled on this site at least). :)
Occurs to me that the last paragraph might come across as sour grapes - not the intention at all. I just found it interesting how the voting went against our usual expectations for these two particular shots. The moral of the story is, I suppose, not to get to hung up over what to choose to enter in a challenge - trying to decide what might be "DPC-friendlier" than the others - you never know what will happen. Just go with the shot you like.
Now look back at the top of this post again and smile, smile, smile. :-D |
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05/14/2008 09:15:28 AM · #453 |
ABC...LMN...XYZ
Votes: 94
Views: 137
Avg Vote: 4.7979
Comments: 4
And, of course, I follow-up with a really dpc-unfriendly one that I love.
When the rollover came last week and I saw Karen's entry I really expected it to do better than mine.
I also projected that the top voted photos would be triangles and not triangular compositions.
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05/14/2008 11:20:04 AM · #454 |
Well, my soft focus is getting crushed (4.8 right now). It is an image I love, however the great masses do not think it is "soft enough". Kind of frustrating when you create your entry properly (through photography), and the masses expect to see everything run through the gausian blur filter. As I mentioned when the challenge came out, it makes no sense to me to create a challenge which allows use of a post processing filter to create the desired effect. I thought the site was about photography!
Oh, and I cannot self dq it even though I have been in 58 challenges, because I have self dq'd once before and it was only 21 challenges ago. However I know of several new members who suffered "real" dq's within the first 5 or even on their first challenge and they are not suspended for a week from submitting, but yet after 58 challenges and only one self dq, I cannot self dq again without being suspended for a week. Some things on this site need some serious tweaking! sheesh.
Ok, end rant. thanks for listening!
Message edited by author 2008-05-14 11:24:56. |
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05/14/2008 03:06:43 PM · #455 |
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05/14/2008 03:08:42 PM · #456 |
| Thanks Julianne! That ribbon will look nice with my 4.6 in soft focus! :) |
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05/14/2008 03:14:20 PM · #457 |
| Two Team Suckers in the top three of a challenge - yay! 'tis a good week for TS, Jeffrey, I agree! |
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05/14/2008 03:28:09 PM · #458 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Well, my soft focus is getting crushed (4.8 right now). It is an image I love, however the great masses do not think it is "soft enough". Kind of frustrating when you create your entry properly (through photography), and the masses expect to see everything run through the gausian blur filter. As I mentioned when the challenge came out, it makes no sense to me to create a challenge which allows use of a post processing filter to create the desired effect. I thought the site was about photography!
Oh, and I cannot self dq it even though I have been in 58 challenges, because I have self dq'd once before and it was only 21 challenges ago. However I know of several new members who suffered "real" dq's within the first 5 or even on their first challenge and they are not suspended for a week from submitting, but yet after 58 challenges and only one self dq, I cannot self dq again without being suspended for a week. Some things on this site need some serious tweaking! sheesh.
Ok, end rant. thanks for listening! |
WOW!!!!
Ernie, I am right there with you!
I just got a mediocre reception on my Free Study that won my local camera club's competition, and with an extraordinarily high score; my Soft Focus is doing 4.7.
I got a comment on it that said that my image was shallow DOF, and not soft focus.
The thing is, my image IS soft, but subtly so, and of course, obviously did NOT pass the casual perusal.....ergo, my 4.7.
My entry is IMNSHO an exquisite job of melding detail and softness......possibly one of my best images EVER......
I am getting to the point where challenges are frustrating, annoying, and demoralizing......and I'm developing a really low tolerance for some of the comments I get.......which of course, sucks, because how do you bitch about comments without THAT backfiring???
It's really a very nice entry, but not on a two second glance, I'm thinking. I guess where I'm starting to go wrong is that I really don't want someone to just take two seconds to look at my images.
If that's the way I feel, perhaps I shouldn't enter challenges?????
The other thing that I have noticed is that as my skills and eye have been improving so that I DO take better images, they seem to be falling short of being DPC friendly, yet the whole reason that I came here in the first place was to learn and improve.......and theoretically scoring better in the process.
I UNDERSTAND lighting, composition, and basic aspects of photography much better than I ever did, yet it almost seems like that is hurting me score-wise.
I know, I know, TS is supposed to be about more than, or considerably less than, high-scoring eye candy, but I would have thought that a fairly classic example of decent composition and photography techniques would have rendered me at least a low to mid-5 score.
I'm seriously considering saying the heck with this entirely, since I'm already down to just entering challenges I know I can put forth a decent entry, and apparently, I'm not even capable of that any more.
What's weird is that I have been doing really well locally and have started to attract some actual portrait and scenery clients.
I'm sorry to bitch and whine, but I've just been so frustrated lately, and am about to give up.....at least here, anyway. But I really like the GTGs and the side challenges.
But I know I'll slip and enter challenges, and then I get slapped around, and comments that indicate either the commenter's ignorance, or that I completely failed to communicate my meaning......in two seconds or less.....and then I'll be irritated all over again.
Whine off..... |
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05/14/2008 03:54:09 PM · #459 |
Wow - I go away for awhile and there are Suckers all over the board! I think that's cool - congrats to those on the front page, in the top ten, and with new PBs, AND congrats to those who shot what they wanted, they way they wanted, and are proud of their results regardless of top ten scores and such.
I have to say that Vienna is a rather unfriendly town as far as photography. Everywhere you go there are "NO CAMERA" signs posted. Rumor has it (or so said a tour guide) that the city of Vienna has copyrighted everything. I snuck in a few now and again just for spite. At one place in Germany, our private tour guide told us the main reason for no photography in one attraction was flash - imagine 11,000 people a day, half of whom are flashing away. Could do damage to light sensitive fabrics, paintings, etc, and there was no way to get people to turn off their flashes, particularly when they don't know how. But I did get a lot of really poor tourist shots in bright midday sunshine! There's that! :-)
Still kinda on vacation for another week or so - still have house guests to show around and entertain. I'll check in now and then, though. |
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05/14/2008 04:29:28 PM · #460 |
Jeb, if you give up here, who am I going to try to beat in the FSM??
I understand your feeling so well, just lately the challenge scores have been really poor, a good solid 5.5 has been scoring 4.7 and getting few comments. I don't know if there are a lot of low voters who just joined the site, or if the standard has risen so fast that I have been left well behind.
Hang around, enter for fun and enjoy the success of your local fame:)) |
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05/14/2008 06:43:38 PM · #461 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The other thing that I have noticed is that as my skills and eye have been improving so that I DO take better images
I UNDERSTAND lighting, composition, and basic aspects of photography much better than I ever did
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Jeb, you've made two good points here. This is true for me too. I just think of DPC as the School of Hard Knocks. It hurts, but it is the cheapest and best full-time photography school ever devised.
P.S. And you can't beat the wonderful classmates here at TS.
Message edited by author 2008-05-14 18:44:48. |
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05/14/2008 06:46:24 PM · #462 |
Jeb,
I grok where you're coming from. I feel helpless because I'm designated as the champion of the artistic experimental photo, but meanwhile there is a separate problem of high-quality photos getting low scores because of the narrow focus of DPC voters.
I want to start a thread for magazine-quality images that score under 6, which I would call the most egregious examples of poor voting. Let's put the photos up, and people can debate whether it really is magazine-quality or not... at least there'd be a discussion about it. People could learn something.
But I can't be the figurehead behind this movement because my presence tends to confuse the issue with questions of What Is Art and similar philosophical whirlpools. |
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05/14/2008 06:59:18 PM · #463 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I want to start a thread for magazine-quality images that score under 6, which I would call the most egregious examples of poor voting. Let's put the photos up, and people can debate whether it really is magazine-quality or not... at least there'd be a discussion about it. People could learn something.
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Good idea, there's images all the time in the middle of the pack that are far better quality than what some magazines and tourist brochures are using. I also have noticed Fearless Leader that your educating of the voters on art program is showing some fruit. Wasn't there a photo recently that earned a posthumous and a DPC ribbon? |
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05/14/2008 07:03:11 PM · #464 |
| And now that I've stopped dancing around the loungroom and opening the front page a gazillion times to make sure that really is my photo there....THANK YOU TS! for your wonderful comments and encouragement. |
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05/14/2008 07:14:26 PM · #465 |
Originally posted by Wildcard:
And now that I've stopped dancing around the loungroom and opening the front page a gazillion times to make sure that really is my photo there....THANK YOU TS! for your wonderful comments and encouragement. |
Yeah! What she said! |
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05/14/2008 09:46:18 PM · #466 |
Don't go into the fog!  |
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05/14/2008 10:32:13 PM · #467 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The other thing that I have noticed is that as my skills and eye have been improving so that I DO take better images
I UNDERSTAND lighting, composition, and basic aspects of photography much better than I ever did
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Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Jeb, you've made two good points here. This is true for me too. I just think of DPC as the School of Hard Knocks. It hurts, but it is the cheapest and best full-time photography school ever devised. |
I guess I just kind of thought that I would get over the jabs to my morale that a lower score gives.
I'm still so freakin' codependent and insecure that I think these silly scores mean something.
And they do to a certain extent when you really do well.
As Deb so often calls on us to do, I have to remember that, "I love my shot!"
And I really do........I'm just kind of taken aback that I will almost have to show an outtake for anyone to see the softening that I did.
And that means that from the standpoint of leafing through aforementioned magazine, my image may not scream softness to some or all.....or ANY quick viewers......and that ultimately, for this challenge, I have failed.
School of Hard Knocks????? Definitely!
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
P.S. And you can't beat the wonderful classmates here at TS. |
Well, no......but it is trying to see how frustrated we all get from time to time.
But I'm glad you're here.......if for no other reason that you offer up kindness when I really need it.
Oh, and Don.......don't think for one second that you have anything but a following of people who understand that from an artistic, and all 'round great image standpoint that you are "Da Man".
I feel that I will probably never get a Posthumous ribbon......but the one time I was nominated, or at least mentioned in the PH Ribbon thread, the person probably made the greatest impression on me EVER with their understanding of an image of mine.
Her comprehension of my image was so unbelievably insightful it was almost scary, and touched my soul at a level that was all the way at my core.....she stated that she didn't know why, but that she just felt that it had meaning, and we had a cathartic (for me) discussion which in turn, gave my image more impact for both of us.
When that happens, it all just really comes together.
For a brief glimpse, I felt that I was an artist in the truest sense of the word.
Your influence gave that experience a place to play out.
Many thanks.
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05/14/2008 11:34:14 PM · #468 |
Originally posted by Wildcard:
And now that I've stopped dancing around the loungroom and opening the front page a gazillion times to make sure that really is my photo there....THANK YOU TS! for your wonderful comments and encouragement. |
Bobbie, in the thread supposedly about the 2nd place getting disqualified (hooray for doyle now getting third!), they've digressed into a discussion of your shot being DNMC because the sun isn't actually in the frame. In fact,  GeneralE said it first in admiration, and expressed hope that people were getting less literal. I'm sorely tempted to nominate you for the OOBie. :)
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05/14/2008 11:55:45 PM · #469 |
| Thanks Jeffrey, I saw that's you'd mentioned the team suckers in that thread. :D I have been following it with interest and I have a couple of points in there that I'll respond to in a bit. I could just hug GeneralE and I must admit I expected when I entered it that the DNMC crowd would drag it down to a low 5 score so I agree with Paul. What I'm finding most exciting about finally getting a ribbon is that it is with a shot that I love and thought wasn't really DPC friendly ...I think Team Suck is having an influence around here. |
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05/15/2008 12:00:44 AM · #470 |
Yes, it's time to resurrect the "brag on a TS member" theme.
Today's spotlight falls on krnodil. This most recent YAPpie winner has quite the eye for composition, shape, and tone. Her best work (as far as I can see) is when she makes things that could be art posters and ignores what DPC typically says is great.
Here are a few examples, including two new members of my favorites list:
   
   
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05/15/2008 09:04:04 AM · #471 |
| Jeffrey, I had just PM'ed out a thank you to you when I had seen all the comments you left for me, and now I see this! Well, thank you, again! :) |
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05/15/2008 02:51:59 PM · #472 |
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05/15/2008 02:58:36 PM · #473 |
Peter, I am not sure sweet is the word that first comes to mind (early '80s pop video...)...
But if you like, 'you are sweet'! |
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05/15/2008 03:26:56 PM · #474 |
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05/15/2008 04:12:07 PM · #475 |
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