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 11/08/2004 07:53:53 AM · #1
Post what you think are the most underrated shots in OFS that you think should of done better.

These are some I can think of right now!






well and of course mine :)

Message edited by author 2004-11-08 08:31:27.
 11/08/2004 07:59:36 AM · #2
I think mine is, of course!



I see why DrJones gets frustrated sometimes, I mean what's with all the ones? I'm pleased with all the positive comments though, thanks guys. The life of a photographer sure is tough... ;-)
 11/08/2004 08:01:22 AM · #3
I think She is:


And it's not even mine :)

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 11/08/2004 08:03:52 AM · #4
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I think mine is, of course!



I see why DrJones gets frustrated sometimes, I mean what's with all the ones? I'm pleased with all the positive comments though, thanks guys. The life of a photographer sure is tough... ;-)


I was actually going to put your in my list, but I couldn't find it. Great shot though!!
 11/08/2004 08:09:03 AM · #5



11/08/2004 08:11:10 AM · #6


and



and mine! (Just kidding, I placed in the top 20, I can't complain)



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 11/08/2004 08:14:02 AM · #7




and finally this should have ribboned
11/08/2004 08:14:53 AM · #8
the problem inherent with so many ace-quality pictures, is that only a certain number can make the top 100. however, i was still surprised at the position of many of the shots, and purely as some of the more prominent examples, i offer these:

- 102nd?

- 238th??

- 440th??? why? don't get it!
 11/08/2004 08:18:21 AM · #9
Originally posted by ericlimon:


Thanks for your very kind comment on my pic!

Bob
 11/08/2004 08:18:42 AM · #10


I think they are all unique in their presentation and offer something different.
edit. Thank you xion.

Message edited by author 2004-11-08 08:19:34.
 11/08/2004 08:19:45 AM · #11


Specially the first one.


Message edited by author 2004-11-08 08:21:32.
 11/08/2004 08:21:10 AM · #12


I thought this should have scored higher.
 11/08/2004 08:23:14 AM · #13

11/08/2004 08:23:27 AM · #14
Originally posted by spydr:


I thought this should have scored higher.


I 2nd that... it should have!
 11/08/2004 08:52:36 AM · #15
Thanks xion for kind comments on my photo. We seem to have very similar taste.

Originally posted by xion:



I think these were underrated:

11/08/2004 09:15:01 AM · #16
This image by grigrigirl absolutely amazes me.

The window frame is bright without being blown out and the exposure on the veil is perfect. Add details, such as the right eye gazing back at the viewer through the veil, once again exposed perfectly, and it obvious that this wasn't just a lucky shot.
 11/08/2004 09:19:02 AM · #17
Didn't see this thread, so am pasting this from another:

Well, as I suspected, my favorite photos are buried well below the ribbon winners with the exception of Librodo's which came close. Here were my favorites:








So sad to see, especially how undervalued the top two were. They are the winners in my opinion.

Into the Light certainly deserved better than it placed. I look at many of the photos that placed above that one and am simply blown away by the injustice. I fear this comes from voters working hard to fine tune their top choices, but not really going back to the 3-5s to see that they are rated carefully.

Ami's insect shot is by far the best one of it's genre in the challenge.

The voters have poken, and I mean no disrespect to the winners, but I'm disappointed.
 11/08/2004 09:47:33 AM · #18
Originally posted by just-married:
I look at many of the photos that placed above that one and am simply blown away by the injustice.

It should be abundantly clear (based on this thread) that each person has their own idea of what they thought was "the best". And this is one of the reasons why I don't like "Free Study" challenges. There is no "challenge" of "meeting the challenge". This means anyone can submit any old shot, and it will get piled in with every other "any old shot" -- and then the voters have no baseline for comparative, relative ranking. You have landscapes competing with bug macros competing with portraits competing with still lifes... the voters can't go through the pictures and say, "wow, this really captures the essence of [insert challenge theme here] perfectly in my mind!" because there is no theme! This lack of a baseline makes it all come down to the individual, personal feelings of the voter. Which means when it is all said and done, you get a lot more "I can't believe how underrated these shots are" type responses than you would in a themed-challenge because of the huge disparity in the submissions.

"Broad-topic studies" (along the lines of "Landscape", "Travel & Architecture", "People", "Photojournalism", etc.) would be much better; then that baseline is present, and voters are comparing apples to apples when rating images instead of comparing apples, tangelos, bananas, tomatoes, strawberries, pomegranates, etc. all at the same time...

Extending the fruit analogy a bit further, you are going to get a lot more agreement when you tell people to go to a fruit stand and pick "the best watermelons" (now they have a baseline to compare and come to a concensus on) than if you tell them to "pick out the best fruits".

Message edited by author 2004-11-08 09:58:03.
 11/08/2004 10:12:21 AM · #19
There were lots of great shots in this challenge (and thanks to David for mentioning mine). My personal favorite was



What a moment. Congrats to Louison for capturing this moment, even if it did only score a 55th place.
 11/08/2004 10:13:17 AM · #20
Originally posted by just-married:
Didn't see this thread, so am pasting this from another:

Well, as I suspected, my favorite photos are buried well below the ribbon winners with the exception of Librodo's which came close. Here were my favorites:








So sad to see, especially how undervalued the top two were. They are the winners in my opinion.

Into the Light certainly deserved better than it placed. I look at many of the photos that placed above that one and am simply blown away by the injustice. I fear this comes from voters working hard to fine tune their top choices, but not really going back to the 3-5s to see that they are rated carefully.

Ami's insect shot is by far the best one of it's genre in the challenge.

The voters have poken, and I mean no disrespect to the winners, but I'm disappointed.


Dawn I have to agree with you that a lot of photographs were underrated. But I guess that is what happens in a free study as EddyG pointed out. Voters seem to like different type of photography which weigh in on there voting.
With the picture that you say are underrated I would have to agree that all of them are great and deserved a better finish. But there are others out there that are in the same boat.
Of the picture you posted I think these two are by far the most underrated in order:

1.
2.
11/08/2004 10:38:52 AM · #21
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by just-married:
I look at many of the photos that placed above that one and am simply blown away by the injustice.

It should be abundantly clear (based on this thread) that each person has their own idea of what they thought was "the best". And this is one of the reasons why I don't like "Free Study" challenges. There is no "challenge" of "meeting the challenge". This means anyone can submit any old shot, and it will get piled in with every other "any old shot" -- and then the voters have no baseline for comparative, relative ranking. You have landscapes competing with bug macros competing with portraits competing with still lifes... the voters can't go through the pictures and say, "wow, this really captures the essence of [insert challenge theme here] perfectly in my mind!" because there is no theme! This lack of a baseline makes it all come down to the individual, personal feelings of the voter. Which means when it is all said and done, you get a lot more "I can't believe how underrated these shots are" type responses than you would in a themed-challenge because of the huge disparity in the submissions.

"Broad-topic studies" (along the lines of "Landscape", "Travel & Architecture", "People", "Photojournalism", etc.) would be much better; then that baseline is present, and voters are comparing apples to apples when rating images instead of comparing apples, tangelos, bananas, tomatoes, strawberries, pomegranates, etc. all at the same time...

Extending the fruit analogy a bit further, you are going to get a lot more agreement when you tell people to go to a fruit stand and pick "the best watermelons" (now they have a baseline to compare and come to a concensus on) than if you tell them to "pick out the best fruits".

.......... deadlines regardless of length are a challenge, but agree that a specific topic does complicate matters.
 11/08/2004 11:43:11 AM · #22
Originally posted by eojedaa:


Specially the first one.


Thank you, and doctornick and all the others who liked it, commented and added it to favorites. The answer is yes, she whas indeed eating :))

To me these are the underrated ones:

and many others that I gave 9 but these are my 10's. I don't know if underrated is the proper words but I sure expected all these to score better.

Edit: I can only say about the second, the baby shot, that it is a master shot, and it is clearly a victim of obscure baby shots haters. 3 persons gave it a 1, despite the incredibble light, setup coloring and everything. It's sad that some have such closed minds on subjects that they don't see quality in images anymore. Ok you don't like it as much as I do, but give it a 5 give it a 4, but who with a sane eye and a healthy mind can give that shot a 1? It is atleast tehnically perfect and that alone deserves a few points. Doesn't it?

Message edited by author 2004-11-08 11:53:41.
 11/08/2004 11:58:03 AM · #23
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
To me these are the underrated ones:

and many others that I gave 9 but these are my 10's. I don't know if underrated is the proper words but I sure expected all these to score better.

Edit: I can only say about the second, the baby shot, that it is a master shot, and it is clearly a victim of obscure baby shots haters. 3 persons gave it a 1, despite the incredibble light, setup coloring and everything. It's sad that some have such closed minds on subjects that they don't see quality in images anymore. Ok you don't like it as much as I do, but give it a 5 give it a 4, but who with a sane eye and a healthy mind can give that shot a 1? It is atleast tehnically perfect and that alone deserves a few points. Doesn't it?


Great choice of shots, I loved all these as well. Completely agree about the baby shot.
 11/08/2004 01:28:38 PM · #24
While we're on the subject, I though it interesting to compare the following two images, side by side. Like others, I consider frumoaznicul's 'Opaque' a strong and stirring image, well seen and appropiately rendered. BobsterLobster's (I couldn't believe this image was his) 'Bound', to me, is sheer 'fluff' compared to it. It is a weak image, because it does not involve a single sense. I cannot even consider it 'sensual' as several people commenting on the shot have done. It is 'sexually' suggestive, although calling it 'suggestive' even may be a stretch of the imagination.

I imagine, if it stirs anything in anyone it would be a base stirring on a physical level alone, restricted to the lower torso of certain people who cannot, apparently, help but respond in this way when their senses have been dulled. The subject's posed pose (more of a predicament than a pose), frivolous attire and vacuously helpless facial expression contributes much to my perception of her unfortunate circumstance within the shallow limits of this frill. This is precisely the kind of picture I cannot, for the life of me, take seriously or with grace.

Fromoaznicul's 'Opaque', instead, shines with the very qualities that are so blanketly absent from Bobster's 'Bound'. The title too (although this peculiar choice may be incidental to someone whose native tongue is not English) is quite a finesse in light of the subject's physical dimensions, and one respectful of her humanity. While visually a dark picture, it is free of any 'gravity of mood'. All the details and tones relevant to portraying the subject truthfully within the ambient instant of the shot are preserved by obeying the very charcteristics derived from it.

It is a profound vision, not because any intrinsic traits indigenous to the subject itself, but because it can be so easily mistaken for any woman or man without loss or alteration of individual identity. It is a profound vision also because of the sheer range of human emotion captured in a single shutter-induced instant. The approach is appropiately and demonstratively sincere, since all discernible photographic effects are subordinated to the given reality of the seen.

(With apologies to BobsterLobster, whose body of work I respect and admire, for the harsh treatment I have afforded this particular image).



Message edited by author 2004-11-08 13:29:55.
 11/08/2004 01:31:00 PM · #25


Why I rated it high (9)? I think the emotion is great, the photo tells a lot about the girl and the composition is pretty good for that.


I gave it a 10 because the way the photograph is done makes the human build element look very natural in that environment. It is almost some kind of futuristic strange bug. The composition with the lines in the air and on the ground towards the main subject is also good.

I also agree with some of the photos that others have shown.
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