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 07/30/2007 02:59:30 PM · #226
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Personally I think I may opt out then. the last thing I need is try to post a shot everyday just to have some random people (who are apparently better than me) decide which of my shots should even be discussed. my shit gets overlooked enough as it is. Instead of shooting for myslef or what i like i will have to shoot what I think those few select people like which I may not.


I see it more as a way to learn what is good blurry (or non-sharp) versus what is not. To help all of us learn methods and approaches, rather than to simply highlight the elite. I don't think anyone is advocating throwing out the "non-selects" or even having non-selects. But I do think it means if we're willing to learn, we have to accept criticism, constructively applied.
 07/30/2007 03:04:23 PM · #227
I can be bourgeois or plebeian on an as-needed basis. I can also be judgmental. However, it is impossible for me to be better than anyone else because all of us are participating in the same Universal Soul.

I am now off to Elvis_L's portfolio to throw lightning bolts at all his photos.
 07/30/2007 03:05:55 PM · #228
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Personally I think I may opt out then. the last thing I need is try to post a shot everyday just to have some random people (who are apparently better than me) decide which of my shots should even be discussed. my shit gets overlooked enough as it is. Instead of shooting for myslef or what i like i will have to shoot what I think those few select people like which I may not.


NO WAY! YOU'RE STAYING! please :)

Message edited by author 2007-07-31 01:45:00.
 07/30/2007 03:07:47 PM · #229
Originally posted by goodman:
NO WAY YOU'RE STAYING! please :)

I think she meant "NO WAY! YOU'RE STAYING! please :)

Message edited by author 2007-07-30 15:08:05.
 07/30/2007 03:16:24 PM · #230
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Personally I think I may opt out then. the last thing I need is try to post a shot everyday just to have some random people (who are apparently better than me) decide which of my shots should even be discussed. my shit gets overlooked enough as it is. Instead of shooting for myslef or what i like i will have to shoot what I think those few select people like which I may not.


amen (as in eye agree)

Message edited by author 2007-07-30 15:30:30.
 07/30/2007 03:32:16 PM · #231
The "Bourgeois Site Council"
Originally posted by goodman:

Posthumous
E301
Selvuhdarci
Angrimur
Zeuszen
Pineapple
Germaine
Undieyatch
Gina Rothfels
Iamwoman

should have the responsibility to act like a filter, a very narrow filter, picking only the very best photographic works around this thread and posting them in the "Bourgeois Site Council Selection" thread. This thread will be kept democratic, while the other one will be a "Bourgeois" choice ;)
 07/30/2007 03:35:01 PM · #232
Look, we have a TON of people are gonna be posting images to this thread. The 30-day Floral Challenge has over 1,100 posts to it. And this blur thing is new ground for many of our photographers. How do we do it? What's "good" blur and what's "pointless" blur? What works and why? Can this shot be improved?

It boils down to what you people want, I guess. Do you want a back-patting showcase or do you want a thread that's actually USEFUL to help bring some shooters along in this new (to them) aesthetic? The proposed "showcase" thread is designed to accomplish the latter; to separate out for discussion images that have something particular to teach us, and I think it's a great idea.

I think it's silly that anyone would balk at this because it smacks of some sort of elitism...

R.
 07/30/2007 03:46:43 PM · #233
Be it silly, but I find the notion of a "bourgeois site council" very bourgeois indeed. Talk about sucking the fun right out of it. The point of side challenges - or so I thought - was that we can all learn from each other within the challenge with no pressure. If I want pressure, I enter the official challenges.

How about asking those who are so well qualified to write some blur tutorials? Then we can all try various methods and post our results in the side thread.
 07/30/2007 03:56:59 PM · #234
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Personally I think I may opt out then. the last thing I need is try to post a shot everyday just to have some random people (who are apparently better than me) decide which of my shots should even be discussed. my shit gets overlooked enough as it is. Instead of shooting for myslef or what i like i will have to shoot what I think those few select people like which I may not.


I have to agree with this. Side challenges are hard enough to keep up with, without having a judging body who decides if our photos are worthy of further discussion. Sorry guys, this just smells bad to me.
 07/30/2007 04:02:06 PM · #235
Jaysus. If you look at the flowers thread you will see there is absolutely NO discussion of the images in the thread. None whatsoever. And if there WERE any discussion it would get lost in the inundation of new images arriving hourly.

What is so bad about the idea of creating a second thread to siphon off particularly interesting images for in-depth discussion? Would someone have gotten upset with me if I had started a thread to discuss a particular flower image from that challenge? I don't understand this at all, I really don't. This is a potential tremendous added bonus to the side challenge, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with singling people out as being "better". It's not competitive, it's pedagogical.

R.
 07/30/2007 04:16:15 PM · #236
nm

Message edited by author 2007-07-30 23:27:19.
 07/30/2007 04:27:29 PM · #237
As long as both threads are open to everyone I don't see a real problem ... my understanding was that this was to be a discussion/educational exercise, not a competition.

In that case, I think of it as everyone is turning in their homework and the teacher is posting the best examples for discussion ... makes sense to me.

I don't think it matters what you call the group -- this is all just for fun, remember?
 07/30/2007 04:29:55 PM · #238
I will be watching the juried thread closely. I've never tried sharpless photography, but I know it's more difficult than it looks. I know it when I see it, but I'm pretty sure I won't be able to do it on purpose. It seems to require low light, a moving subject, & a slow shutter. But that sounds like motion blur, which is not the same as sharpless photography. Anyway....I'll be watching.
 07/30/2007 04:37:16 PM · #239
Originally posted by goodman:
(I am open to suggestions, so far this is what i've come up with)

Anyone interested in becoming a member of the panel or wishes to
nominate someone should pm me no later than 3rd august.
I will publish the names of those interested and peeps should send
me their choice.
I will audit and let you know what the popular choice is.

Alternatively my own list, in no particular order, should
they be available is as follows..

Posthumous
E301
Selvuhdarci
Angrimur
Zeuszen
Pineapple
Germaine
Undieyatch
Gina Rothfels
Iamwoman


Didn't we try something like this once before? Along with Robert and some others I was suggested for some kind of 'Juried' challenge thing, but it rapidly degenerated into a mud-slinging-fest and was abandoned. I'm still flattered to have my name put up though.

And as we're putting up older images until August, here's mine:

07/30/2007 04:43:09 PM · #240
whatever.......... i'm glad i never suggested it.

there is absolutely no competiton involved here, this is the concept that got my attention in the first place.

link

"A group dedicated to "sharpless" images, images where the defocus, blur, the choice of focus-point makes the picture special, and worth remembering.
Have a look at the pool and the pictures selected from the pool in the threads.
Have a look at the slideshows and the photographers we suggest.
Give us a reason to remember your work.
Ask yourself, what makes it so special, why is it worth remembering for more than a split second?
The reason why it's so hard for us to tell you why we keep or delete a photo from the pool is because we don't have a quantified set of rules. It's just a feeling that we have.

We like pictures to tell stories, and we like them to make us think.
We like pictures to leave us with cuestions about why the photographer took it, cuestions about its story.

The group is heavily curated, and we dont have time to explain why we delete or dont accept pictures.
Dont take it personal if you get your work deleted."

i really dont mind if we do or dont have 2 threads, as pixelpig mentioned this is a difficult subject and it takes more than just moving
the camera, i'm still excited about it and hope to learn something and
have fun at the same time.

07/30/2007 05:27:19 PM · #241
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Jaysus. If you look at the flowers thread you will see there is absolutely NO discussion of the images in the thread. None whatsoever. And if there WERE any discussion it would get lost in the inundation of new images arriving hourly.

What is so bad about the idea of creating a second thread to siphon off particularly interesting images for in-depth discussion? Would someone have gotten upset with me if I had started a thread to discuss a particular flower image from that challenge? I don't understand this at all, I really don't. This is a potential tremendous added bonus to the side challenge, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with singling people out as being "better". It's not competitive, it's pedagogical.

R.


"Discussion" was never the main purpose of the Flower "challenge", but I disagree that there was absolutely no discussion of the images. I started the Flower challenge as a place where we who enjoyed flower shots could share our images...it was more of a stick-with-something-for-30-days place to hang out...this Blur challenge seems to be evolving into something different, which is fine, but not what some who singed up early on were looking for.
 07/30/2007 05:40:15 PM · #242
i'm still in. i've alwasys looked on this site as a learning site, and, as an ex-teacher, i'm all over pedagogy!
 07/30/2007 05:41:31 PM · #243
Originally posted by xianart:
i'm still in. i've alwasys looked on this site as a learning site, and, as an ex-teacher, i'm all over pedagogy!

You're never an ex-teacher -- you're just not getting paid for it anymore.
 07/30/2007 05:59:07 PM · #244
Lesley, I'm flattered. But with a slow landline and Telkom rates, my internet time is often when other people are asleep. There's no ways I can commit to getting through all the images that people are going to post, never mind regarding myself as clever enough to choose the best.

I'm really looking forward to the challenge though. And to seeing as many of the photos posted as I can possibly manage.
 07/30/2007 07:18:23 PM · #245
Deliberate blur is something that I really need to practise, I suck at it, so please count Bobbie in.
 07/30/2007 07:18:39 PM · #246
Let's Get It ON!!!

I'm still in...
 07/30/2007 07:23:18 PM · #247
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Let's Get It ON!!!

I'm still in...

Same here. I am chomping at the bit!
 07/30/2007 08:03:14 PM · #248
Woooo Hooo!

Since my camera is dated August 1st, 2007, I officially meet DPC's SC criteria for it being the 1st of the month...even though it hasn't actually arrived in my time zone nor anywhere else on the planet. Based on very strict adherence to the stamp date, I am posting the first image of this Challenge.... HA! (kidding, of course)


The Blank Stare Of An Acid Cat

Well anyway, a first try at it...
And in honor of Les for suggesting this great topic, I used the Official super large, white Acid Kitty Border.

Message edited by author 2007-07-30 22:35:00.
 07/30/2007 10:21:47 PM · #249
Oh well. I was hoping this would be a side challenge to learn, but my images will never make it far enough. I thought, Wow, now's my chance to get advice from the big guns, but instead it might turn out that I'm rejected by the big guns. Can't say I blame you as this side challenge is turning out to be extremely popular and it will be tedious to look thru crummy images!

Good luck and have fun! Count me out, but you already have anyway, in a round-about-way. I'll look on to see your fabulous images. I'll learn that way or take a photography class if I want to learn futher.

Darlene



07/30/2007 10:29:58 PM · #250
There is SO much misunderstanding of what's been proposed here. The 30-day side challenge will run just as they all do, with comments galore being left on images by participants. All that was proposed was a parallel thread where particularly interesting images might be discussed at length, because such discussion tends to get lost in the rapidly-growing main thread. It's NOT like a competition, for heaven's sake. And the way things are going in here I suppose it won't even happen, and that's a real pity.

R.
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