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03/31/2008 06:15:07 PM · #1
Originally posted by silverscreen:

Originally posted by jdannels:

More minimal editing challenges please.


Yes - more of those :)

I don't know where to ask this; I have just bought Photoshop Elements; I realize that it will take some time to learn how to use it; but does anyone know how to set the text size & icon size on the menu bar? I'm going blind trying to read it!!
03/17/2008 06:45:21 AM · #2
Originally posted by jdannels:

More minimal editing challenges please.


Yes - more of those :)
03/17/2008 05:59:47 AM · #3
More minimal editing challenges please.
03/17/2008 05:57:40 AM · #4
I would like to see it come back but I don't think it should be a regular thing.
03/17/2008 04:47:39 AM · #5
me too.
03/17/2008 03:05:53 AM · #6
Add me to the list of wanting this ruleset back.
03/13/2008 01:29:53 PM · #7
I'm hoping this ruleset makes a comeback.
03/13/2008 12:58:57 PM · #8
I don't think it should be a regular thing, but as an every once in a while type thing, I think it's a great idea. Makes people experiment a lot with pp technique, and come up with all sorts of interesting things.
03/13/2008 12:30:03 PM · #9
blech! No thanks.

Here you go:
Worth1000.com
deviantART
03/13/2008 12:17:53 PM · #10
same here.
03/13/2008 10:57:36 AM · #11
I am also curious. would love to see this ruleset come back!
03/12/2008 08:04:50 PM · #12
I think it's a bad idea... oh wait who started this thread...
03/12/2008 07:55:58 PM · #13
Same here...
03/12/2008 07:37:55 PM · #14
Got my curiosity up as well.
03/12/2008 07:25:23 PM · #15
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Gordon:

are these still 'in play' and never being picked, or just shelved like the DPL ?


As per Langdon's announcement in December, portions of the Expert Editing rules have been integrated into the Advanced rules, and the Expert Editing rules (as tested) have been retired pending what will probably be a fairly substantial revision.


So 3 months later, how's the revision coming along ?


Yep, like to know that too!
03/12/2008 07:13:26 PM · #16
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Gordon:

are these still 'in play' and never being picked, or just shelved like the DPL ?


As per Langdon's announcement in December, portions of the Expert Editing rules have been integrated into the Advanced rules, and the Expert Editing rules (as tested) have been retired pending what will probably be a fairly substantial revision.


So 3 months later, how's the revision coming along ?
03/12/2008 07:06:54 PM · #17
Originally posted by Gordon:

are these still 'in play' and never being picked, or just shelved like the DPL ?


As per Langdon's announcement in December, portions of the Expert Editing rules have been integrated into the Advanced rules, and the Expert Editing rules (as tested) have been retired pending what will probably be a fairly substantial revision.

Originally posted by langdon:

We weren't completely happy with how Expert panned out, and have spent some time taking the things we do like from Expert and adding them to Advanced. Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography. We have plans to revise Expert (and likely rename it) at a later date, so until then there won't be any Expert challenges. Hopefully though, with these changes to Advanced Editing, which also include entries sized at 720x720 @ 200kb, everyone will be quite busy for a bit.


~Terry
03/12/2008 06:18:44 PM · #18
are these still 'in play' and never being picked, or just shelved like the DPL ?
06/30/2007 07:05:08 PM · #19
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by yanko:

... it seems too many are hung up with terms and can't see how these rulesets can only make you a better photographer.

Actually, make you a better photoshopper...

...some of the coolest looking images/graphics (call it what you want) in the Sci-Fi challenge look very graphic in nature. Like a poster or movie computerized image. Which is fine in it's own place. No one is being honest in this thread if they think that it doesn't take very high photoshop skills to produce something for an Expert challenge that is going to do well. Almost have to be a graphic artist, not a photographer, to pull it off.


My understanding is you're not suppose to draw in elements so you're working with what you produced in camera solely as a photographer. I feel this type of challenge forces you to spend more time developing a concept/story, more time thinking about light, DOF, POV and how to keep it all consistent when compositing. I can't help but think this doesn't make you a better photographer in general. So perhaps just think of it as an exercise if you personally don't consider it photography. Anything that moves people away from the simple point and shoot mentality is a good thing, IMO.

Also, as Robert and others mention this ruleset allows you to do things right. We ALREADY get these types of images in advance and basic editing. The only difference is those that enter such images often have to submit sub-standard work because of the limits those rulesets enforce. Tonemapping is the biggest example of that. It's amazing how awful one can make a sky look trying to produce HDR in basic or even in advance yet that seems to be the gold (blue) standard nowadays in the challenges. At least expert editing allows those really good at it to set the bar much higher than that. Frankly, it's just about getting it right when it's impossible to do so in-camera. And yes some do much more than that, but again we get that in every challenge. We get funky experiements all the time with people using nothing more than curves. Granted they don't do well but they exist.

Edited for clarity.

Message edited by author 2007-06-30 19:34:47.
06/30/2007 06:38:54 PM · #20
Is it me, or is every free study every month run under Advanced...
06/30/2007 06:26:33 PM · #21
Originally posted by jackal9:

... why not have the Free Studies run one month Basic one month Advanced, one month Expert etc...everyone would have their favorite ruleset and some would have a chance to shine in the Free Studies that don't normally, simply because of editing preference. Just a thought...

One of the "challenges" we try to present is to not always be too predictable, and to change things up every once in a while. My guess is that we wouldn't set up a regular rotation of rule sets, but it wouldn't shock me if sometime during the year Langdon were to run one of the monthly Free Studies under rules other than Advanced.
06/30/2007 05:47:01 PM · #22
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

... If a photo is purported to derive from a single exposure but is in fact a composite, then you have a problem with the integrity of the photographer, but if the viewer is made aware in advance that the final image may derive from several sources I don't see a problem with rating the image on its own merits, just like any other image. ...

Sounds fine to me, IF, you compare apples to apples, etc...don't mix imagery types. Yes, I'm still talking about NOT letting Free Studies be run under Expert editing rules. Otherwise it's fine. I'll just skip entering any Expert editing challenges (but I really don't like to skip the Free Study challenges).


Not to open a whole new can of worms here but...this brings up an interesting point...Correct me if I'm wrong but most FS's are advanced correct? We obviously recently had one under expert but most are advanced, why not have the Free Studies run one month Basic one month Advanced, one month Expert etc...everyone would have their favorite ruleset and some would have a chance to shine in the Free Studies that don't normally, simply because of editing preference. Just a thought...

06/30/2007 05:19:19 PM · #23
Originally posted by GeneralE:

... If a photo is purported to derive from a single exposure but is in fact a composite, then you have a problem with the integrity of the photographer, but if the viewer is made aware in advance that the final image may derive from several sources I don't see a problem with rating the image on its own merits, just like any other image. ...

Sounds fine to me, IF, you compare apples to apples, etc...don't mix imagery types. Yes, I'm still talking about NOT letting Free Studies be run under Expert editing rules. Otherwise it's fine. I'll just skip entering any Expert editing challenges (but I really don't like to skip the Free Study challenges).
06/30/2007 05:16:21 PM · #24
Originally posted by yanko:

... it seems too many are hung up with terms and can't see how these rulesets can only make you a better photographer.

Actually, make you a better photoshopper...

...some of the coolest looking images/graphics (call it what you want) in the Sci-Fi challenge look very graphic in nature. Like a poster or movie computerized image. Which is fine in it's own place. No one is being honest in this thread if they think that it doesn't take very high photoshop skills to produce something for an Expert challenge that is going to do well. Almost have to be a graphic artist, not a photographer, to pull it off.
06/30/2007 04:59:52 PM · #25
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

... rely on photographic techniques to produce the results.

Define "photographic technique" for me -- are you talking about examining and judging a negative, or do you consider a print to be photographic as well? Because I don't think that anyone has performed any technique or manipulation in this callenge which hasn't been done by purely "photographic" means in the past 150 years or so.

If a photo is purported to derive from a single exposure but is in fact a composite, then you have a problem with the integrity of the photographer, but if the viewer is made aware in advance that the final image may derive from several sources I don't see a problem with rating the image on its own merits, just like any other image.

If the editing is sloppy or you just don't like the final result you have the option to vote accordingly.
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