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12/07/2006 11:22:34 PM · #51
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:


Also, the rules will be changed to allow a 720x720, 200KB limit.



Wow, that's unfortunate. I hope it comes with the option to automatically filter from voting all portrait-oriented photos for those of us whose won't be able to view them in their entirety.


I think you mean 'those too lazy to scroll down'. If you absolutely must see it all at once you can always just skip it.

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 23:23:21.
12/07/2006 11:31:58 PM · #52
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:


Also, the rules will be changed to allow a 720x720, 200KB limit.



Wow, that's unfortunate. I hope it comes with the option to automatically filter from voting all portrait-oriented photos for those of us whose won't be able to view them in their entirety.


As noted, this is a trial run on this rule set. We'll review the results and feedback and make changes if needed before finalizing. This could include a change back to 640, or possibly a slight scale-back to 700, which can fit in a full-screen browser on a 768-high monitor.

~Terry
12/07/2006 11:42:10 PM · #53
WEEEE!!!!! I love this "expert" new thing... I`m not expert but at least I will have more fun than doing basic editing :D!! thanks!!!
12/07/2006 11:51:56 PM · #54
Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:


Also, the rules will be changed to allow a 720x720, 200KB limit.



Wow, that's unfortunate. I hope it comes with the option to automatically filter from voting all portrait-oriented photos for those of us whose won't be able to view them in their entirety.


I think you mean 'those too lazy to scroll down'. If you absolutely must see it all at once you can always just skip it.


It doesn't have anything to do with laziness, considering you have to scroll to vote anyway. I just figured people would rather their photo be seen in one part, not two.
12/07/2006 11:52:03 PM · #55
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

We have no plans to change the "core rotation" of Tuesday/Sunday night challenges. These rules will be used for selected "off-cycle" challenges, including but not limited to speed, Free Study, and other extra challenges.

~Terry


Whooo! I was so excited to read about the extra rule sets but I'm also excited that the usual challenges won't change. Good way to make the most people possible happy :-)
12/08/2006 12:40:02 AM · #56
Just another example of those in power catering to special interests!

I'm looking forward to it! Thanks.

-Specially Interested Art
12/08/2006 12:53:24 AM · #57
Originals
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my edit :/
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
Is this considered photographic in nature? I was more thinking of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness's work in composites where they look more like paintings. All amazing, but curious to SC's thoughts on what is photographic in nature.
12/08/2006 01:03:35 AM · #58
Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:


Also, the rules will be changed to allow a 720x720, 200KB limit.



Wow, that's unfortunate. I hope it comes with the option to automatically filter from voting all portrait-oriented photos for those of us whose won't be able to view them in their entirety.


I think you mean 'those too lazy to scroll down'. If you absolutely must see it all at once you can always just skip it.


Or if you run Firefox you can just get the photo zoom extension, right click and mousewheel the size down a tad :-)

R.
12/08/2006 01:05:01 AM · #59
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originals
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my edit :/
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
Is this considered photographic in nature? I was more thinking of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness's work in composites where they look more like paintings. All amazing, but curious to SC's thoughts on what is photographic in nature.


One thing this does is open up the playing field for true HDR images from multiple exposures of the same scene, a real plus for those of us who are exploring this technique :-)

R.
12/08/2006 01:13:12 AM · #60
Oh, crud. I'm not an expert in anything.... :-(
12/08/2006 02:36:01 AM · #61
Alright!! Now we are talking.... this is the best news I have heard for a long time. I would even be all up for implementing such "expert rules" challenges on a weekly basis. Then I'd be back here big time.

CheerZ SC!
12/08/2006 02:41:03 AM · #62
Originally posted by kiwiness:

Alright!! Now we are talking.... this is the best news I have heard for a long time. I would even be all up for implementing such "expert rules" challenges on a weekly basis. Then I'd be back here big time.

CheerZ SC!


This is great just great. I'm afraid we've awakened a giant.
12/08/2006 02:45:17 AM · #63
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Alright!! Now we are talking.... this is the best news I have heard for a long time. I would even be all up for implementing such "expert rules" challenges on a weekly basis. Then I'd be back here big time.

CheerZ SC!


This is great just great. I'm afraid we've awakened a giant.


Awake and drooling mista Yanko :)
12/08/2006 03:02:44 AM · #64
Originally posted by kiwiness:


Awake and drooling mista Yanko :)


Quick...someone give the man a job...then he won't have time to enter!
12/08/2006 03:12:15 AM · #65
<Sarcasm mode on>
Woooohooooooo

Another great move by the SC to alienate people who dont have the same photoshop skillsets as others and another move away fromthe fundamentals of a photography challenge

Way to go guys!!!

Cant wait until you invoke the next ruleset where it states

"Your image must not contain any elements of original photography"

Then we'd really be cooking!!

12/08/2006 03:15:08 AM · #66
They did say there will be other special rule sets that cater to those that want to see less photoshop.
12/08/2006 03:16:56 AM · #67
Actually, I think this adds nicely to the site. The regular member challenges and open challenges are still dedicated to the basics of photography, and this new challenge will allow those who have the mad PS skillz to strut their stuff. Most of 'em are already pretty darn good photogs. This in turn provides a basis for learning. That can't be a bad thing.
12/08/2006 06:03:56 AM · #68
Originally posted by yanko:

They did say there will be other special rule sets that cater to those that want to see less photoshop.


Yanko, yeah, they are called Open Challenges.. :-/
12/08/2006 06:32:18 AM · #69
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originals
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/48115/thumb/380528.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/48115/thumb/380528.jpg', '/') + 1) . 'from ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Krisby ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/512/thumb/348584.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/512/thumb/348584.jpg', '/') + 1) . 'from ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' DrAchoo
my edit :/
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
Is this considered photographic in nature? I was more thinking of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness's work in composites where they look more like paintings. All amazing, but curious to SC's thoughts on what is photographic in nature.


Note that making your entry non-photographic in nature is not grounds for DQ. Voters are encouraged to use this is a factor when voting, much as they already do for deciding whether an entry meets the challenge. In that regard, Site Council members' thoughts on this are no more important than those of any other voters.

When we are asked if the Site Council believes an entry meets the challenges, our standard answer is that the Site Council does not form or express official opinions on that, because it is an issue for the voters. I expect our answers will be much the same for the "photographic in nature" clause, since it is also an issue for the voters.

My suggestions would be to post an "Individual Photograph Discussion" thread to get potential voters' opinions.

~Terry
12/08/2006 06:37:10 AM · #70
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

One thing this does is open up the playing field for true HDR images from multiple exposures of the same scene, a real plus for those of us who are exploring this technique :-)

R.


Absolutely. In additional to HDR, This also the door to some exciting options for astrophotography, time-lapse photography, and other areas that the previous DPChallenge rule sets have kept off limits.

There are some amazing learning opportunities here, and I'm excited to see what people decide to explore.

~Terry
12/08/2006 07:06:41 AM · #71
Originally posted by marksimms:

<Sarcasm mode on>
Woooohooooooo

Another great move by the SC to alienate people who dont have the same photoshop skillsets as others and another move away fromthe fundamentals of a photography challenge

Way to go guys!!!

Cant wait until you invoke the next ruleset where it states

"Your image must not contain any elements of original photography"

Then we'd really be cooking!!


As noted in the original announcement:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Ultimately, we envision a variety of rule sets, ranging from nearly no editing to nearly unlimited editing, as well as rule sets designed for special-interest topics such as photojournalism.


As noted above, you can expect to see more rule sets released in the coming months, running all the way from the extremes of nearly no editing (we have to allow resizing, but that might be ALL we allow), all the way to anything goes. We'll also see one or more rule sets geared to specialty topics, such as photojournalism, which might be quite permissive in what tools can be used, while strictly limiting the manner in which those tools can be applied in the interest of journalistic ethics.

Please also remember that even with these new rule sets, we are not taking anything at all away from you. We have no plans to replace the scheduled weekly member challenges, but instead will use these rules on some (just some) of our extra, off-cycle challenges. Also remember that just because we've made a wider array of tools available does not obligate you to use them -- you are perfectly welcome to enter an Advanced-Legal or even a Basic-Legal entry in an Expert Editing challenge.

I would submit to you, however, that the most exciting opportunities for learning come when you step outside your comfort zone. I'd encourage you, for example, to take a look at the photography of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' jmsetzler. John was one of DPChallenge's first "ribbon hogs" and has since made a successful career change to photography as his full-time source of income. I remember a conversation I had with John from 2002. He was talking about learning to play chess, and that for at least the first year after he learned to play, he made it a point never to play anyone he should be able to beat. This allowed him to learn by absorbing the strategies of his opponents, and ultimately to incorporate those strategies into his own game, becoming a much better player than he would have otherwise. I am certain that this same approach to his photography, learning from those who had already achieved the success he wanted, was a critical factor in John's success.

We're simply offering some new opportunities to learn and experiment with new techniques. You are welcome to embrace or pass on those opportunities at your preference.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-12-08 07:07:12.
12/08/2006 07:49:29 AM · #72
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Message edited by author 2006-12-08 08:36:36.
12/08/2006 07:49:43 AM · #73
Originally posted by jdannels:

Originals
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my edit :/
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22301/thumb/380842.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
Is this considered photographic in nature? I was more thinking of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness's work in composites where they look more like paintings. All amazing, but curious to SC's thoughts on what is photographic in nature.


as CJ said, we are really going to let the voters decide what is and is not "photographic in nature" (omg, i just actually typed "fotographic" -- that's what i get for using my laptop under my electric blankie). something that is overly-edited (IYHO) is not grounds for disqualification from the challenge.

it will probably take a few challenges to shake off the dust and let the voters' minds open up to the new types of possibilities that this ruleset allows, but i think it's a great experiment and has really gotten me personally re-excited about entering. :)
12/08/2006 07:54:16 AM · #74
Originally posted by yanko:

Also, can you use a past challenge entry as a texture for another entry?


i don't think anyone has responded to this yet, but i am going to put out a tentative "no," if for no other reason than we've NEVER allowed duplicate images to be used.

that being said, this whole texture thing is new so we'll have to review it and confirm. i'll do that now.

personally i would also like to say "no" to this just to help preserve anonymity during the voting, but ... lemme make sure.
12/08/2006 03:43:12 PM · #75
Sorry I am confused in here, talking about being able to use multiple exposures, does composites are allowed? I mean, as long as the picture stills looks like a picture? one of my examples:
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