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10/09/2014 08:58:31 AM · #201 |
shooting it with a prime IS the challenge. are you good enough to produce a winning entry under those conditions?
it's not always about what you would do for a client, it's also about what you can and will do to push yourself. |
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10/09/2014 09:02:37 AM · #202 |
Originally posted by RandyRedford:
Originally posted by pamb:
But the point is we need new members, or bring back old ones, or preferably both. |
I'm new, signed up last night, but after reading the rules for Red, I think I'll pass.
I'm confused. What's the point of minimal?
I can't think of a context where I wouldn't do any editing in the real world.
I only use prime lenses. Can't crop? What am I supposed to do? Stand in a lake? Walk into traffic? Uri Geller myself up in the sky? I don't see the point of not allowing someone to crop. I'll argue the lack of other editing as well. I didn't realize it was this primitive before signing up. I think I'll pass. |
i've been here for 4 years +. i still dont see the point in minimal, thank god they are rare. at least we realized that basic editing was absolutely worthless and abolished it. some people like restrictions, i like making stuff i want people to actually want to look at. Maybe that's why I dont participate that much, even advanced is too restrictive for me.
my best work doesn't even exist on this site.
and of course they went and ruined advanced editing with textures, if the point of this place is to get it right in the camera than why allow us to gimmick it up with textures and nothing else? why not go full cheap cellphone editing crazy and allow light leaks and lighting effects and filters?
i still say just make it all expert and let us actually try to get better instead of dumbing it down which doesn't make us grow to our best, it only further divides the good from the bad.
Message edited by author 2014-10-09 09:04:13. |
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10/09/2014 09:15:11 AM · #203 |
Originally posted by Mike:
what broke about dpc is us.
i haven't renewed my membership because i have no interest here. i don't know why that is but i cant blame anything but myself. |
You clearly have some interest...you post in the forums. |
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10/09/2014 09:30:28 AM · #204 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
what broke about dpc is us.
i haven't renewed my membership because i have no interest here. i don't know why that is but i cant blame anything but myself. |
You clearly have some interest...you post in the forums. |
semantics aside, you are correct but i rarely enter challenges or vote. the forums are the only things that keep me here. |
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10/09/2014 11:23:07 AM · #205 |
Originally posted by RandyRedford:
Originally posted by pamb:
But the point is we need new members, or bring back old ones, or preferably both. |
I'm new, signed up last night, but after reading the rules for Red, I think I'll pass.
I'm confused. What's the point of minimal?
I can't think of a context where I wouldn't do any editing in the real world.
I only use prime lenses. Can't crop? What am I supposed to do? Stand in a lake? Walk into traffic? Uri Geller myself up in the sky? I don't see the point of not allowing someone to crop. I'll argue the lack of other editing as well. I didn't realize it was this primitive before signing up. I think I'll pass. |
Ah, Randy. Please don't give up on DPC so easily! You just happened to join during one of the rare Minimal challenges. As  snaffles pointed out, there are 3 other challenges you can shoot for. In addition, you can offer challenge suggestions!
That aside, while many folks share your disdain of the rule set, you will be amazed at what some folks accomplish within them. Clearly, we don't know your level of knowledge, nor your photographic goals, but there is always something to learn.
In any event, Welcome! |
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10/09/2014 12:13:47 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by MAK:
A better upgrade would be to increase the file size & pixel LxW to maybe 1000 (1200 better) |
About this... I'm all for increasing picture/file size but then, since I got a new laptop at work, realized how hard it is to view and vote on a 1300x700 display. There are tons of devices like that.
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
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10/09/2014 12:54:37 PM · #207 |
Originally posted by tome:
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
For voting purposes it is important that everyone view the image at the full resolution at which the photographer submitted it. It is not fair to vote on images which have been automatically and arbitrarily resized for miscellaneous devices -- you would not be viewing the same picture the photographer submitted. |
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10/09/2014 01:09:21 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by tome:
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
For voting purposes it is important that everyone view the image at the full resolution at which the photographer submitted it. It is not fair to vote on images which have been automatically and arbitrarily resized for miscellaneous devices -- you would not be viewing the same picture the photographer submitted. |
i'm sure a photorapher would love to have his image voted on as a voter has to scroll the image. |
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10/09/2014 01:15:35 PM · #209 |
I think for horizontal pictures the pixel limit should be higher (maybe 1000px), but 800px is about as high as they should be allowed to go. Already on a 1920x1080 display the 800 is pushing it considering how much space is taken up by the browser at the top and the start bar at the bottom.
On my old 1024x768 CRT in the garage I almost always have to scroll, but I don't vote using that one.
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10/09/2014 01:23:33 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by MAK:
...what is really needed is a total facelift |
ohboy, I just read that as "what is really needed is a total fascist"
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10/09/2014 01:43:42 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Originally posted by MAK:
...what is really needed is a total facelift |
ohboy, I just read that as "what is really needed is a total fascist" |
We could probably come up with one of those if you really, really need one.
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10/09/2014 01:59:54 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by tome:
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
For voting purposes it is important that everyone view the image at the full resolution at which the photographer submitted it. It is not fair to vote on images which have been automatically and arbitrarily resized for miscellaneous devices -- you would not be viewing the same picture the photographer submitted. |
Scrolling up and down, I'm definitely not viewing the picture the way the photographer intended.
Check any gallery site to see how automatic and arbitrary resizing does wonders.
Message edited by author 2014-10-09 14:00:05. |
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10/09/2014 02:24:19 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by tome:
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
For voting purposes it is important that everyone view the image at the full resolution at which the photographer submitted it. It is not fair to vote on images which have been automatically and arbitrarily resized for miscellaneous devices -- you would not be viewing the same picture the photographer submitted. |
I'm voting from my phone |
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10/09/2014 02:32:41 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by tome:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by tome:
What this site needs is the ability to show the picture properly on ANY display. |
For voting purposes it is important that everyone view the image at the full resolution at which the photographer submitted it. It is not fair to vote on images which have been automatically and arbitrarily resized for miscellaneous devices -- you would not be viewing the same picture the photographer submitted. |
Scrolling up and down, I'm definitely not viewing the picture the way the photographer intended. |
Maybe not, but at least the entire picture is there, whereas resizing can easily eliminate delicate but important detail. |
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10/09/2014 02:54:07 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe not, but at least the entire picture is there, whereas resizing can easily eliminate delicate but important detail. |
btw, CNTL + scroll wheel you can resize them to fit into the browser yourself. i do it all the time.
or maybe you guys would rather control the level of detail that is lost or not with an efficient light box style viewer instead of me not caring what my browser does.
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10/09/2014 05:14:02 PM · #216 |
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10/09/2014 07:08:01 PM · #217 |
I'll try to respond to the points one by one.
snaffles - you don't HAVE to enter a Minimal challenge, now or ever,
- Looking at the challenges offered to non-members, they're awfully non-inclusive. Quick perusal shows a cell phone challenge, don't have a cell phone. A tribute to odriew. Who? And a challenge where you can't edit anything, said no editor ever. Maybe I simply chose the wrong week to sign up. My loss.
mak - The Fuji XT-1 (along with many other cameras) has a built in crop mode so just shoot 1x1 6x4 or whatever floats your boat.
- Or I could simply crop after the fact with any editing program. Again, why can't we crop?
Ja-9 - This is what I've learned from Minimal Editing Challenges...Knowledge of my camera functions, Composition, HOW TO CLEAN MY CAMERA &/ LENS properly!!!!
- Isn't this something you should worry about before any shot? How to use your camera, composition, and clean your gear. I'm failing to see what the challenge rules have to do with the three things your mentioned.
mike - even advanced is too restrictive for me
- I spent some time reading the rules and I agree.
tanguera - while many folks share your disdain of the rule set, you will be amazed at what some folks accomplish within them
- I get in this argument when people tell me their image is SOOC. I don't care. All I see is the final product. How you got there is irrelevent, at least from my viewer's perspective. Does the final image have impact? If yes, awesome. If no, shoot another photo.
You might want to move this thread somewhere else. It easily persuades someone like myself to move along. The tab was still open from this morning so I thought I'd post a reply. It's only in this thread did I realize images are allowed to be a maximum of 800px. Why? I remember having a SXGA with 1280x1024 in 1995. It's not something I would have noticed, at least until I entered a challenge. For this reason alone I'll pass.
Again, 800px?
Message edited by author 2014-10-09 20:04:16. |
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10/09/2014 07:56:27 PM · #218 |
| With as much as you like to complain, you should fit right in. |
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10/09/2014 07:57:58 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by RandyRedford:
You might want to move this thread somewhere else. It easily persuades someone like myself to move along. The tab was still open from this morning so I thought I'd post a reply. |
Mildly curious: How long have you been lurking, Randy?
And where would you put this thread if you were in charge?
BTW, I am elated at your observations.
Some would agree with some of them, some would not.
But that's what a healthy discussion is all about.
Right? |
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10/09/2014 08:01:19 PM · #220 |
actually we are not sure who is odriew, but we think we like him.
I am thinking of starting a site where only those who know everything about their gear and how to clean it can play. Enough mollycoddling. I am also thinking of restricting membership to those who, like myself, do not have a cell phone. These cameras - these REAL cameras - are going to run on time!
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10/09/2014 08:44:36 PM · #221 |
I have a site where only people who share my whims and vicissitudes can play. It's a little bit lonely but at least all the best photos on it are mine.
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10/09/2014 08:48:53 PM · #222 |
Uhm I also don't own a cellphone so that makes at least 3 of us in the world who don't have one...and if you're seeing those come up on your homepage, like In the Style of odreiw, then you're seeing challenges you can't enter anyway cause they're already in voting!!!
Anyway I would take the advice/comments of sfalice seriously. She's been here a good long time and is the unofficial head of the Critique Club.
You don't have to, of course. Just sayin.
And as you see knowledgeable enough to no longer be shooting on *green camera* mode, then setting up for a decent Minimal entry for Red should be a cakewalk. Shoot in RAW and jpg if that floats your boat. Knowing in advance that you can't crop, just fill the effin frame, pay a little more attention to your comp, and shoot. Adjust your settings. Rinse and repeat til you get an in-camera shot you like, then enter it. If in doubt use a frickin tripod. What's so daunting about that?
Just sayin. |
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10/09/2014 08:51:28 PM · #223 |
| Ok. Randy has made his points. Let's stay away from the piling on path. We're not everyone's cup of tea... |
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10/09/2014 09:20:10 PM · #224 |
| DPC is where I have learned so much, it is where I come to look at images and styles of others, it is where I choose to enter challenges that I want to enter, where I enjoy looking at other portfolios, where I have met new friends and where I come for advice. It is where I can hide from life if I need to or where I can be there for others. It is a community that I enjoy wether the challenges are minimal or expert because there is always so much more. Each of us has a choice, a choice to enter, a choice to vote, a choice to comment and a choice to stay or not. Mine is to stay and to continue to grow. |
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10/09/2014 10:06:30 PM · #225 |
Randy hasn't said much of anything that hasn't already been said here before.
I would not care for a steady diet of minimal, but I do like the "challenge". What drew me here, in the first place, was the idea of meeting a challenge. If all we ever do is work to our strengths, how do we get better? Minimal forces us to put more thought, and care, into the original image. Advanced makes us learn to get better at post processing. Expert makes us learn more about art and composition.
The cell phone challenges make about as much sense to me as a Nikon, or Canon challenge. But they don't happen often enough to really complain about.
In the last year, there has been a lot of improvement. At least in my view.
Stick around Randy, it gets better... |
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