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09/18/2013 03:59:57 PM · #126 |
| Why you gotta bring the NRA into this? |
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09/18/2013 04:09:20 PM · #127 |
aaaaannnnddddd...cut!
Nice scene, people. Let's pick it up in two months. |
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09/18/2013 04:17:19 PM · #128 |
Sorry, I was being rushed by real life. My point is that the solution you propose is based on your definition of the problem.
If there is a hole in the ship, the solution is not to bring more people aboard the ship.
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09/18/2013 04:33:37 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Sorry, I was being rushed by real life. My point is that the solution you propose is based on your definition of the problem.
If there is a hole in the ship, the solution is not to bring more people aboard the ship. |
True, the solution is to bring more welders on the ship...
But surely, you didn't mean to indicate that you honestly believe there is a hole in the ship?
It would seem that you are connecting the fact that there are fewer users to the fact that there is an inherent problem here. As I see it, the major problem is the lack of users.
But you honestly think that new users can immediately see this as a 'problem' and are subsequently finding another ship to board (where is this ship? PWO has, what? five active users?)...
I say there is no hole, and we do need more people on this ship. |
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09/18/2013 04:37:43 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I say there is no hole, and we do need more people on this ship. |
+1
and to be a little controversial....if we don't get more people maybe we need less challenges? |
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09/18/2013 04:51:00 PM · #131 |
| Ok -- if Lvicari is selling his gear, maybe there really is a problem with DPC! |
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09/18/2013 04:51:13 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by Cory:
I say there is no hole, and we do need more people on this ship. |
+1
and to be a little controversial....if we don't get more people maybe we need less challenges? |
I think that too many people see these as "contests" and not as "challenges" -- that they don't enter if they don't think the have a realistic chance at a high score/finish.
I see the challenge as being able to come up with something for every assignment; even I might only get a C-minus I think that's better than an Incomplete ... and I can learn how to do it better the next time I'm faced with a similar situation.
Remember that the ultimate purpose of DPC is for us to help each other get "better" by stretching our creativity and resources through the contest format, and then learning from the results, "successful" or not. |
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09/18/2013 05:49:49 PM · #133 |
This thread already has 4832 views. (Ok it could be 100 unique viewers refreshing 48 times...) However not one new member has joined the Facebook DPC Page I linked to. Not one person responding in the positive that they have evangelised DPC somewhere online. Not one response as to why the Help Desk at Get Satisfaction has died.
Not one response regards my question as to whom has SPOKEN to Langdon recently, when and what was discussed?
It serves no purpose to point out the apathy of the site owner, admins, sc, lack of comments when the collective "you" yourself do nothing to turn the ship around or plug the gaping hole in the hull. Talk is cheap.
I'm happy to load Skype with credits and phone him from Africa. Ask him why I should renew my subs? Ask him why DPC Prints are not selling. (not just mine). Why cheaters are being wrist slapped. Why his absence? Is he planning to keep the site running? If he sells up will he sell the domain name and the code ($$$???) to a buyer and if so at what price? Can the buyer see financials, costs vs profits, cash, assets, Affiliate earnings with Google? These are some of the questions I'd ask if I were an interested party in reviving and polishing an old classic.
Ad Nauseum Deja-vu... bought the T-Shirt...
And yes my "Admin" Tickets remain unanswered; if SC (imo Admins and Mods) can't see it what's the point?
Message edited by author 2013-09-19 01:49:53. |
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09/18/2013 07:05:12 PM · #134 |
DPChallenge - a digital photography contest - says it at the top.
I agree the `challenge` is the key part though - but it IS nice to score well and try to place and I think thats what gives the initial "rush" - but once you get used to how it all works, the comments become far more important - but they can also be quite soul destroying as well - worst still is NO comments.. thats really hard.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
[quote=Stagolee] [quote=Cory]
I think that too many people see these as "contests" and not as "challenges" -- that they don't enter if they don't think the have a realistic chance at a high score/finish.
I see the challenge as being able to come up with something for every assignment; even I might only get a C-minus I think that's better than an Incomplete ... and I can learn how to do it better the next time I'm faced with a similar situation.
Remember that the ultimate purpose of DPC is for us to help each other get "better" by stretching our creativity and resources through the contest format, and then learning from the results, "successful" or not. |
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09/18/2013 07:28:29 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by Simms:
DPChallenge - a digital photography contest - says it at the top.
I agree the `challenge` is the key part though - but it IS nice to score well and try to place and I think thats what gives the initial "rush" - but once you get used to how it all works, the comments become far more important - but they can also be quite soul destroying as well - worst still is NO comments.. thats really hard. |
You are so right, Simms. Comments are important.
But still, some folks seem to believe it is better to receive them than to give them.
You, for example, have received quite a few ribbons and I expect you could give lots of tips
to your fellow DPCers on various photographic subjects.
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09/19/2013 12:40:43 AM · #136 |
Originally posted by Simms:
DPChallenge - a digital photography contest - says it at the top.
I agree the `challenge` is the key part though - but it IS nice to score well and try to place and I think thats what gives the initial "rush" - but once you get used to how it all works, the comments become far more important - but they can also be quite soul destroying as well - worst still is NO comments.. thats really hard. |
Soul destroying is a good description. |
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09/19/2013 01:28:35 AM · #137 |
Originally posted by Nusbaum:
Originally posted by Simms:
DPChallenge - a digital photography contest - says it at the top.
... the comments become far more important - but they can also be quite soul destroying as well - worst still is NO comments.. thats really hard. |
Soul destroying is a good description. |
I agree the lack of comments is soul destroying but with all due respect Simms and Nusbaum you have both been here since 2002 and made exactly 2020 (1 every 2 days) and 344 (1 every 9 days) image comments respectively. That's pretty pedestrian. It cuts both ways. (Yes quality beats quantity, before that is pointed out to me).
Another way of looking at a members participation (wrt to commenting) is the amount of images viewed vs the comments given. I am sitting at around 10.5% of images viewed/commented on (61,895/6,502). Every single site I have partaken in, the forums are riddled with complaints about members not receiving "enough" comments on their images. Over and over again but those same people pass no comments themselves... Hello! DPC at least has shown that it's not just about getting comments but also the quality of them is higher here than any other site I have participated in. (www.dpreview.com has an amazing competition section that is really well written, has a great user experience/front end but almost ZERO comments, even 1st, 2nd, 3rd lack getting comments). It's up to YOU to also comment and in turn this will translate into a better experience for yourself but also your fellow participants. The rest, hopefully, will follow.
Message edited by author 2013-09-19 05:24:30. |
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09/19/2013 08:20:24 AM · #138 |
Originally posted by HarveyG:
And yes my "Admin" Tickets remain unanswered; if SC (imo Admins and Mods) can't see it what's the point? |
Unfortunately, your opinion doesn't define the SC's role.
I will say that exactly who gets what kind of ticket could be made clearer. Maybe the "Admin" tickets should come with a warning that the response time may be eternity...
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09/19/2013 09:13:22 AM · #139 |
In the realm of Comments,  Melethia reigns supreme!
Long Live the Queen!!!
Visit her page and see her stats!!! |
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09/19/2013 09:46:08 AM · #140 |
Jutilda is queen of the comments.
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09/19/2013 11:45:07 AM · #141 |
Originally posted by HarveyG:
And yes my "Admin" Tickets remain unanswered; if SC (imo Admins and Mods) can't see it what's the point? |
Site Council are NOT administrators, no matter what your opinion may be. We cannot see/access the admin tickets, so we will never answer them. If you want an answer from us, please submit a general ticket.
There are many things on this site we cannot do, have never done, and probably never will do. Our job is to monitor the forums, vote on dqs, answer general questions, and do the day to day running of the site (or more specifically, make sure everything is running smoothly; if something breaks, we are as clueless/helpless as anyone else).
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09/19/2013 02:13:38 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by karmat:
....if something breaks, we are as clueless/helpless as anyone else). |
And there-in lies the problem.... for the past 10+ years flaws in the system have been accepted and shoulders have been shrugged and the status quo accepted. And the lip service continues. Not one person in an administrative position, whatever your titles and roles and responsibilities and distinctions are, has made verbal contact with the only person who can fix it. You have knowledge of the problems but take no steps to notify him BECAUSE you beleive you are powerless to fix them. Must be quite frustrating, and all that for no pay, just a good deed and DPC community service right? Sounds more like a sentence to take all that flak.
"Hi Langdon, I understand user x has sent an admin ticket for a problem he has but because we cannot see them would you mind attending to it? Thanks, SC".
"Hi user x, I've sent a message to Langdon directly via email and will let you know when I get a response. Regards, SC".
I specifically sent an admin ticket with a breakdown and diagnoses, a step by step of how the error occurred so that he and his programmer could fault find and fix the code bug and prevent future repeats. This is the third time this has happened to me and PREVIOUSLY it WAS rectified by an SC member, however the underlying bug has not been fixed. You have just confirmed you can't fix such a bug, so why would I now send you a general ticket? Rather disingenuous.
The fault? Missing Challenge Title after rollover. I can now recreate the bug EVERY challenge. I have learnt how to avoid it but that won't help the next guy.
I am trying to make a difference, everyone else is just complaining about the place, or that they are as clueless/helpless as the next person. I feel for SC but if I were in your shoes I'd have picked up the phone a long time ago. Watch this space. |
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09/19/2013 02:16:05 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by HarveyG:
I feel for SC but if I were in your shoes I'd have picked up the phone a long time ago. Watch this space. |
You assume there's a phone to pick up, or a Bat-Signal to shine on the clouds above...
Message edited by author 2013-09-19 14:16:56. |
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09/19/2013 02:21:39 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by HarveyG:
I feel for SC but if I were in your shoes I'd have picked up the phone a long time ago. Watch this space. |
You assume there's a phone to pick up. |
Thank you, Spork.
To HarveyG (and perhaps others)
As I read threads like this, I am reminded that many of you seem to think that SC and Langdon seem to operate in a small office and have easy ways to communicate with eachother. What seems to get forgotten is that we are spread over several thousand miles and time zones. If I want to send Langdon a message, I do it exactly like you do -- I click on Personal Message on his profile page and send it. OR, I can post a message to him in the "hidden" forums, but the PM seems to work better.
My point remains, if you want US to answer a questions, ask US the question. If you want Langdon to answer, ask him, but then don't complain and make it sound like SC is ignoring you if he doesn't ask you.
Message edited by author 2013-09-19 14:22:18. |
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09/19/2013 03:08:34 PM · #145 |
Hi, thanks for the stat checking! Maybe you should look at what I have achieved when I frequented the site..
Who led the push & managed to get a vote for the current image sizes?
Who started the mentoring program, that whilst never actually becoming integrated into the site, became very popular and managed to push a lot of photographers who were only managing mid-table mediocrity into a lot higher placings? I think the two I mentored managed a 9th place in a freestudy and another managed to get a blue ribbon as a direct result of my mentoring.
I have contributed and had published a "How do they do that" to the site.
Also, you may want to look at suggestions I have made in the past that would of not only encouraged more members to join, but more members to stay after the initial 2 or 3 challenges - and it was only because the site owners utter lack of interest in their site that it didn't take off.
But yeah, I haven't commented on many images, but I believe I have made a fair contribution to the site during my different tenures here. But my original comment wasn't a dig at people not making comments, it was more an observation how one feels when you never get a comment during a challenge - which normally happens when you put such an average photo in that the voter isn't compelled even to put a crappy comment on it.
Not everyone likes me or my comments/posts - I can happily live with that - those from DPC who have met me in RealLife© know I am exactly the same, I am not a keyboard warrior out to cause trouble - I just like speaking my mind.
However, my apologies if I can't recall any of your achievements on here, to be honest, I don't even know who you are.
Sorry about that.
(edit - it was actually 11th place in a free study  )
Originally posted by HarveyG:
Originally posted by karmat:
....if something breaks, we are as clueless/helpless as anyone else). |
And there-in lies the problem.... for the past 10+ years flaws in the system have been accepted and shoulders have been shrugged and the status quo accepted. And the lip service continues. Not one person in an administrative position, whatever your titles and roles and responsibilities and distinctions are, has made verbal contact with the only person who can fix it. You have knowledge of the problems but take no steps to notify him BECAUSE you beleive you are powerless to fix them. Must be quite frustrating, and all that for no pay, just a good deed and DPC community service right? Sounds more like a sentence to take all that flak.
"Hi Langdon, I understand user x has sent an admin ticket for a problem he has but because we cannot see them would you mind attending to it? Thanks, SC".
"Hi user x, I've sent a message to Langdon directly via email and will let you know when I get a response. Regards, SC".
I specifically sent an admin ticket with a breakdown and diagnoses, a step by step of how the error occurred so that he and his programmer could fault find and fix the code bug and prevent future repeats. This is the third time this has happened to me and PREVIOUSLY it WAS rectified by an SC member, however the underlying bug has not been fixed. You have just confirmed you can't fix such a bug, so why would I now send you a general ticket? Rather disingenuous.
The fault? Missing Challenge Title after rollover. I can now recreate the bug EVERY challenge. I have learnt how to avoid it but that won't help the next guy.
I am trying to make a difference, everyone else is just complaining about the place, or that they are as clueless/helpless as the next person. I feel for SC but if I were in your shoes I'd have picked up the phone a long time ago. Watch this space. |
Message edited by author 2013-09-19 15:34:07. |
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09/19/2013 03:25:00 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by HarveyG:
I feel for SC but if I were in your shoes I'd have picked up the phone a long time ago. Watch this space. |
You assume there's a phone to pick up, or a Bat-Signal to shine on the clouds above... |
There was one, but it was DQ'd ...  |
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09/19/2013 03:50:45 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by HarveyG:
The fault? Missing Challenge Title after rollover. I can now recreate the bug EVERY challenge. I have learnt how to avoid it but that won't help the next guy. |
I had the same fault, adressed a general ticket and after a few days I got a message of Langdon that it was repaired. So come on Harvey, don't blame others for something you might have done wrong yourself.
I must say I'm so surprised about these threads. So much energy in debating the chance of survival of a website? Come on, let's all put the same energy in submitting images, voting and commenting and there is NO problem. So many people I see in these threads again and again and never in a challenge.
And even when there is a problem with DPC? I don't think all that complaining in threads is doing the site any good and it for sure won't help to solve the problems. People loose interest when they start reading that kind of stuff (I do), it won't improve the site or guarantee its future.
I decided to renew my registration for another year because I like to shoot and I hope to learn from some incredible photographers here. I try to do my bit in voting and commenting, and when that's not enough to keep this site alive, so be it. Will find some other way to enjoy myself. I would pity it, let's be clear about that. But it is something that belongs to this era, nothing last long anymore.
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09/19/2013 04:39:31 PM · #148 |
Long Live Simmo
Yeh I think some folk need to stop bloody moaning and get on with it or fek off |
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09/19/2013 05:03:08 PM · #149 |
When I had time, this site was my go-to site. I learned and had great fun competing with myself and others.
It would be nice to see some evolution in regard to the site - but the essential success of competing for a ribbon with a single image is a great idea that is working well enough to make up for the fact that it hasn't really adapted to the needs and desires of all.
It's a personal choice. If you don't like the site, don't come here. If you don't see the value in paying, don't pay.
Personally, I stopped paying simply because I have 3 kids, no time, and some other interests right now. |
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09/19/2013 05:43:23 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Hi, thanks for the stat checking! Maybe you should look at what I have achieved when I frequented the site..
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That was then this is now. I also have no idea who you were. What your exulted past DPC "achievements" have to do with anything current is beyond me. You complained at a lack of receiving comments. I responded and agreed to that complaint but pointed out that you must also make comments not just expect receipt of same... If you want a congratulatory slap on the back for your past achievements, Workshops and hand holding newbies when Langdon was still very active I'll Pay Pal you a coffee or a beer. Right now there are other issues the OP has raised. That is what I am responding to, with my own recent experience; that my ADMIN INQUIRY ticket has not been acknowledge by a human and the lack of this visibility is why there are rumblings, for at least 2 years now, by members about stability and longevity and why when things appear, rightly or wrongly, to be teetering, would you sink another $25 in. Make no mistake, I am fully aware that the LACK of a Like Button is quite possibly why DPC comments are often comprehensive and useful. Do your own research and go look at my (attempts) at critique. Some of them are paragraphs long. Whoop de doo. (ARTROFLMAO pleas link me that YouTube video :) ) It's for own benefit as much as I hope it is for the photographer.
Again; all I hear are denials and difficulties about long distances and a lack of a hotline to Langdon making admins, sc's or whatever the hpecking order is incapable of contacting him directly. You mean all of these years not one of you have even Skyped? Met at a G2G. Swopped cell numbers? Congratulated him on the birth of his first child?
Despite not being part of the coveted inner circle (j/k) I have found a way despite being on the other side of the world in deepest darkest Africa where quite obviously the distance has nothing to do with the fact that we are still using smoke signals and jungle drums to communicate. Remember the letter stuck in a forked stick carried above the head in colonial India? Carrier Pigeon? Mail Steamer?
Find a solution, stop paying lip service, stop making excuses, stop pointing fingers. Contact the man or forever wallow in these tired and repetitive DPC is dying complaints threads.
And as far as the assumption that I am calling SC out for not solving my problem, I did not assume it, I know it can't be done by them. I said I sent an Admin Inquiry. I believed that means Langdon receives it and must action it and no one else. What I did not know is that SC can't even read it. To me an "admin" is the entire team from him on down each with his or her own status and title. Stop being so melodramatic. I sent it to "him" with the false hope that the team would assist in a follow up after a set period of time. Help Desk Style. It's called escalation.
Originally posted by Kroburg:
I had the same fault, adressed a general ticket and after a few days I got a message of Langdon that it was repaired. So come on Harvey, don't blame others for something you might have done wrong yourself. |
When exactly was your request? I'm blaming no one. On the contrary, go back and read my statement. I sent it deliberately to ADMIN INQUIRY not GENERAL INQUIRY with a short descriptive fault "flow chart". SC have in the past restored missing/deleted challenge titles on GENERAL INQUIRY requests from me. It was RESTORED not REPAIRED. READ MY POST AGAIN. I have gone one step further to assist in a permanent fix for others.
Here's the rub: The OP is about the site dying, why, and how to rectify if it is even worth it. DPC is about the sum of all its parts. Be part of the solution if you want it to continue. Making jokes about Bat-Signals and self congratulation about your contributions in the past, being miffed at my supposed snubs at SC is all painfully immature and inconsequential. Were you not chosen as an SC/ADMIN/MOD to assist paying members and help the site run smoothly? If so then some of you have an odd way of fulfilling your mandate.
Originally posted by karmat:
As I read threads like this, I am reminded that many of you seem to think that SC and Langdon seem to operate in a small office and have easy ways to communicate with each other. What seems to get forgotten is that we are spread over several thousand miles and time zones. If I want to send Langdon a message, I do it exactly like you do -- I click on Personal Message on his profile page and send it. OR, I can post a message to him in the "hidden" forums, but the PM seems to work better.
My point remains, if you want US to answer a questions, ask US the question. If you want Langdon to answer, ask him, but then don't complain and make it sound like SC is ignoring you if he doesn't ask you. |
I made no assumption about #1 DPCHALLENGE WAY, Chesapeake, VA. That was your own doing.
Different Time Zones and distance is no excuse in the modern connected world. There are overlapping time zones or I stay up late till the party I am calling is at work in his/her time zone.
The forums are full of reports where a PM hasn't elicited a response from him but I have faith. I'll give it another try on your recommendation.
Originally posted by Spork99:
You assume there's a phone to pick up,
That's a valid assumption when he lives in Chesapeake, VA, USA. and not in Bitterpan, North West, RSA.
or a Bat-Signal to shine on the clouds above... |
re the Bat-Signal, I fail to find that statement having ANY validity. In fact it is flippant and ignorant and counter productive to finding a solution preventing DPC hitting an iceberg whilst the Cpt. is sleeping in his quarters.
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