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11/26/2010 04:46:29 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by h2:
Clive, definitely your special! Might as well be that you got one of my tens.
*Off to chop more lemons earn more bling* |
Ha! Thanks. I think i will take that as a compliment. I'm pretty sure i got a 2 or a 3 off you though!
Enjoy your moolah though. |
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11/26/2010 04:50:52 AM · #52 |
| I'd be shocked if anyone entered this for a good score, Oliver, so the insults are more an indictment of your own piss-poor attitude. |
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11/26/2010 05:17:41 AM · #53 |
As I understood this one, isn't entering a great photo that will still not get you high scores or love from all the goal?
I chose my personal subject knowing that it will score low even though its a fine shot.
Sitting under 4.5 I think its my kind os a posthumous image and a success, though it pains my desire to raise my average.
Will the winner be the one with the highest score?
Or shall the official score come only from Posthumous's vote??? |
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11/26/2010 05:40:38 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
I'd be shocked if anyone entered this for a good score, Oliver, so the insults are more an indictment of your own piss-poor attitude. |
I took Oliver's insult to be slightly tongue in cheek and cheekily provocative really. Accusations of 'incompetence' are hard to take serious at all with photography such as this. Incompetent at what? Taking a photo? Selling something? Communicating an idea or feeling? Making a sharp image? Making art? Chopping lemons? It's such an irrelevant critique as to be nonsensical and i find it hard to believe that Oliver doesn't realise that. |
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11/26/2010 05:56:03 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
I'd be shocked if anyone entered this for a good score, Oliver, so the insults are more an indictment of your own piss-poor attitude. |
Tut mir leid, wenn du meinen Humor nicht verstehst.
Why enter at all, if not for the competition (i.e. score and placement)? There's so many ways and places to show what you mean is worth showing.
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Or shall the official score come only from Posthumous's vote??? |
To me it seems like only a few have understood the challenge. This challenge is not about  posthumous's taste; only incidentally he has a username that matches the title of a thread originally posted by De Sousa, where images are featured that have not done well in challenges, but should have been acknowledged more - no matter what their style is. Don posthumous, in his neverending - but doomed to fail - strive for fame and glory invented his own ribbon, inflated the thread with blurry underexposed images that even he can produce and claimed the thread to be his own success. Actually, everybody is entitled to give awards in that thread (even i did sometimes) and so this is just another Free Study - with the exception that cliché images should not be rewarded. In no case does it mean, your entry should be of poor technical quality. |
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11/26/2010 06:05:37 AM · #56 |
Votes: 28
Views: 77
Avg Vote: 5.6786
Comments: 10
Favorites: 1
That's the first time I have so many comments with such a low score, it is a strange feeling. Moreover, most comments tend to say that "it's a good shot, so I hope it doesn't win". Bah. Don't worry, it's no going to. |
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11/26/2010 06:13:56 AM · #57 |
Votes: 24
Views: 47
Avg Vote: 4.6250
Comments: 1
Seems like I failed to succeed in this challenge. One excellent comment. Definitely an underappreciated image, so maybe I succeeded at failure. I haven't voted yet. |
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11/26/2010 06:15:51 AM · #58 |
damn, i wish i'd have understood the challenge to have meant that. instead i threw out what little technical skill i have and composed an utterly non artistic, soul-less image.
but who knows, even if i did interpret it like it "should" have been interpreted, i probably would be in the same boat since i supposedly don't understand what makes a photograph art.
either way, onto mediocrity
Votes: 24
Views: 47
Avg Vote: 5.3333
Comments: 5 |
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11/26/2010 06:19:21 AM · #59 |
Votes: 25
Views: 45
Avg Vote: 3.9200
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
At this rate I'm bound to win some kind of ribbon! :-) |
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11/26/2010 06:24:18 AM · #60 |
So now we already have 4 people complaining about my comments, come on, where's the other 22?
I wonder if any of you ever complained about NOT getting comments...
Oh, and I'll try to add "IMHO" after every statement I make in the future, IMHO |
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11/26/2010 06:26:07 AM · #61 |
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11/26/2010 06:36:47 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
either way, onto mediocrity
Avg Vote: 5.3333 |
Not so fast, buddy. I'd wager the ribbon winners, for what it's worth, will have relatively very low scores. I reckon my 4.3 is good for about middle of the pack.
There is something there, by the way, in my photo. I see it, so that's good enough. |
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11/26/2010 06:45:52 AM · #63 |
| Sounds like the Bickersons are visiting today. :P |
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11/26/2010 06:52:22 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
You're quite wrong. DeSousa started that thread because of Don and encouraged him to give ribbons. It is not a username coincidence. Jorge can confirm. |
That is news for me. In either way, the thread wasn't meant to feature Don's favorite images:
Originally posted by De Sousa:
I'm creating this thread to encourage people to show, week after week, challenge after challenge, their preferences for different photos than the ones winning DPC ribbons. I think it's important to give some visibility to other works not aligned with the mainstream taste, and give support to photographers with different views and approaches to photography.
So, after each challenge, you are encouraged to post here your personal winners, photos that did not won a DPC ribbon and are not align with the masses taste, but won your heart instead.
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. Let̢۪s show some. |
Regarding bling and bile: You mean I should shut up and keep my opinion for myself just because I have some virtual ribbons? Maybe I can't tell Art from Ad, but I can still tell Cream from Crap. |
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11/26/2010 06:59:51 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by h2:
Maybe I can't tell Art from Ad, but I can still tell Cream from Crap. |
wow, I think thats more of the bile mentioned earlier...
With my scores so far, I'm clearly in the crap pile.
Happy Holidays to you too!! |
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11/26/2010 07:02:30 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
Votes: 28
Views: 77
Avg Vote: 5.6786
Comments: 10
Favorites: 1
That's the first time I have so many comments with such a low score, it is a strange feeling. Moreover, most comments tend to say that "it's a good shot, so I hope it doesn't win". Bah. Don't worry, it's no going to. |
I think you are referring to my comment as one of them. But even you have to respect and accept DNMC type comments if that is the consensus of the voters. And I'm sure you do, although your post sounded a wee bit bitter. :)
And what you are referring to in your quote "it's a good shot, so I hope it doesn't win" is not entirely accurate. The exact wording and context is key here. It being a good (great) shot has nothing to do with it. But I'm sure you know this already.
A LOT of great quality shots that are not blurry or dark, fuzzy or abstract are being rewarded with posthumous ribbons. But just pretty, technically perfect; albeit shallow shots not sparking thoughts/feelings (not referring to yours - which I'm not even sure which is) may not get rewarded as highly in the spirit of De Sousa's original intent whilst they often win the official DPC ribbons. |
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11/26/2010 07:10:49 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
Originally posted by h2:
Maybe I can't tell Art from Ad, but I can still tell Cream from Crap. |
wow, I think thats more of the bile mentioned earlier...
With my scores so far, I'm clearly in the crap pile.
Happy Holidays to you too!! |
Well, I'm not the only voter here -and I don't even know if I put your image on the crap pile (which I think is more of a compliment than being on the huge "mediocre" heap) |
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11/26/2010 07:20:34 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by h2:
I don't even know if I put your image on the crap pile (which I think is more of a compliment than being on the huge "mediocre" heap) |
folks are complimenting the hell out of me, apparently
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Views: 50
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11/26/2010 07:26:25 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by h2:
Originally posted by skewsme:
You're quite wrong. DeSousa started that thread because of Don and encouraged him to give ribbons. It is not a username coincidence. Jorge can confirm. |
That is news for me. In either way, the thread wasn't meant to feature Don's favorite images: |
Actually, yah, it was. Along with the underdog favorites of others.
Originally posted by De Sousa:
I'm creating this thread to encourage people to show, week after week, challenge after challenge, their preferences for different photos than the ones winning DPC ribbons. I think it's important to give some visibility to other works not aligned with the mainstream taste, and give support to photographers with different views and approaches to photography.
So, after each challenge, you are encouraged to post here your personal winners, photos that did not won a DPC ribbon and are not align with the masses taste, but won your heart instead.
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. Let̢۪s show some. |
Originally posted by h2:
Regarding bling and bile: You mean I should shut up and keep my opinion for myself just because I have some virtual ribbons? Maybe I can't tell Art from Ad, but I can still tell Cream from Crap. |
Hilarious juxtaposition with the end of De Sousa's quote. What I mean is you should feel secure and happy and not threatened, at least in this virtual realm. |
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11/26/2010 07:28:16 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
I think you are referring to my comment as one of them. But even you have to respect and accept DNMC type comments if that is the consensus of the voters. And I'm sure you do, although your post sounded a wee bit bitter. :) |
No I wasn't referring to your comment, in fact. It was detailed and explanatory, which I thank you for. And of course, everyone has the perfect right to vote like he feels to, be assured I do not consider myself as a particular case! And yes, you are right when you say I am a bit bitter, but that's just because I worked on this photo to 4am and woke up 3 hours later to this result. I feel better now after some coffee ;)
Originally posted by TrollMan:
And what you are referring to in your quote "it's a good shot, so I hope it doesn't win" is not entirely accurate. The exact wording and context is key here. It being a good (great) shot has nothing to do with it. But I'm sure you know this already. |
I was just summarizing some other comments, of people explaining that it would probably ribbon, so they had to vote it down. While I understand the reasoning, it still sounds very weird to my ears. This is not a "bad shots should win" challenge...
Originally posted by TrollMan:
A LOT of great quality shots that are not blurry or dark, fuzzy or abstract are being rewarded with posthumous ribbons. But just pretty, technically perfect; albeit shallow shots not sparking thoughts/feelings (not referring to yours - which I'm not even sure which is) may not get rewarded as highly in the spirit of De Sousa's original intent whilst they often win the official DPC ribbons. |
Agreed. Also note that "blurry or dark, fuzzy or abstract" are also being rewarded by ribbons from time to time ;) (Off-centered III winner for example). |
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11/26/2010 07:29:38 AM · #71 |
I woke up to a 6.35 with 20 votes. Now, 5 votes later it's down to a 6. Oh well, it was glorious for the second it lasted!
Oh, and I am one of those that hope for a good score, no matter what challenge I enter. I'm sure most of you had that attitude before winning your first ribbons... |
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11/26/2010 07:40:48 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
I think you are referring to my comment as one of them. But even you have to respect and accept DNMC type comments if that is the consensus of the voters. And I'm sure you do, although your post sounded a wee bit bitter. :) |
No I wasn't referring to your comment, in fact. It was detailed and explanatory, which I thank you for. And of course, everyone has the perfect right to vote like he feels to, be assured I do not consider myself as a particular case! And yes, you are right when you say I am a bit bitter, but that's just because I worked on this photo to 4am and woke up 3 hours later to this result. I feel better now after some coffee ;)
Originally posted by TrollMan:
And what you are referring to in your quote "it's a good shot, so I hope it doesn't win" is not entirely accurate. The exact wording and context is key here. It being a good (great) shot has nothing to do with it. But I'm sure you know this already. |
I was just summarizing some other comments, of people explaining that it would probably ribbon, so they had to vote it down. While I understand the reasoning, it still sounds very weird to my ears. This is not a "bad shots should win" challenge...
Originally posted by TrollMan:
A LOT of great quality shots that are not blurry or dark, fuzzy or abstract are being rewarded with posthumous ribbons. But just pretty, technically perfect; albeit shallow shots not sparking thoughts/feelings (not referring to yours - which I'm not even sure which is) may not get rewarded as highly in the spirit of De Sousa's original intent whilst they often win the official DPC ribbons. |
Agreed. Also note that "blurry or dark, fuzzy or abstract" are also being rewarded by ribbons from time to time ;) (Off-centered III winner for example). |
Coffee always helps - as long as you don't pour it into your eyes of course! :)
I hear you on all points and although I don't get the same results as you, I have also spent countless nights on shots that receives lower than expected scores. But in your case, rest assure that the shot is being enjoyed equally much although not reflected in the score in this particular challenge. Nobody thinks any less of it.
In my simple mind a photograph is not finished until someone sees it. And DPC is an excellent place for just that! :-) |
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11/26/2010 07:43:12 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by h2:
In no case does it mean, your entry should be of poor technical quality. |
I think this is quite telling really and i think it illustrates ubique's point about 'The images that win posthumous ribbons are usually only incidentally about photography.
whereas the images that win the mainstream DPC ribbons are usually only incidentally about anything else.' In stock photography and much advertising the technical quality is paramount to the image which is often just of itself. I think that is the position you are coming from Oliver and that is fair enough. However, in so much of photography the technical quality is often pretty irrelevant and many photography galleries and books celebrate such images. I'm currently studying for an MA in documentary photography and if i critiqued images such as Nan Goldin's self portrait or Stephen Shore's photographs or an an image by Giacomo Brunelli with an emphasis on technical quality i'd do pretty piss poor really. It's different way of looking at images and i believe that if you can only view photography through one filter, such as i think Oliver may be doing, then anything you don't understand or don't like you are going to dismiss as 'pretentious' or the art version of the Emperor's New Clothes (not accusations made in this thread but the usual stuff that has come up elsewhere).
Anyway, i certainly haven't complained about your comment and i welcome it. I really do understand that the majority of photography i have on DPC is going to mean nothing to you and i really don't mind that.
Originally posted by h2:
Why enter at all, if not for the competition (i.e. score and placement)? There's so many ways and places to show what you mean is worth showing. |
I honestly don't enter for the competition. I enter because it keeps me making photographs and i enjoy the restrictions the challenge subjects put on me and my camera. Sometimes these can be technical such as the HDR challenges which allows me to try something different. I also enjoy seeing what others do with the same subject and the community here. Of course i like it when others like my images but really i have no intention of being popular or a ribbon winner. Everything i enjoy in life, be it film, tv, music, literature etc is pretty far out of the mainstream and appeals to the few and i've no wish for my images to do anything else. There are around 10-15 or so people on DPC whose photography and artistic eye i really admire and appreciate and if any of them like one of my pics i'm over the moon. Far more than getting a mid 6 on a HDR experiment say.
Message edited by author 2010-11-26 07:44:34. |
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11/26/2010 07:46:07 AM · #74 |
| Please, h2 and (to a much lesser extent) gyaban, back off a bit on the sensitivity. Don't take the existence this challenge as a personal slight. You are both immensely successful and good at whatever the hell it is that you do with your cameras. None of us on the dark side cares nor is threatened by you, none of us feels defensive about your criticisms, implied or expressed. Liberace and Michael Jackson may alas be gone now, but if Billy Ray Cyrus or Whitney Houston ever need some new profile pics they will call you and not us. Nobody will ever buy our stuff. Just be happy with that. |
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11/26/2010 07:48:24 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by De Sousa:
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. Let̢۪s show some. |
Originally posted by h2:
Regarding bling and bile: You mean I should shut up and keep my opinion for myself just because I have some virtual ribbons? Maybe I can't tell Art from Ad, but I can still tell Cream from Crap. |
Hilarious juxtaposition with the end of De Sousa's quote. What I mean is you should feel secure and happy and not threatened, at least in this virtual realm. |
I don't feel threatened.. And I don't see the juxtaposition, unless you think "attitude" is only certain people's attitude. (for example, people, that give low scores to excellent photos, just to prevent them from scoring highly, or, the other way round, hand out 10s to images, just because they are less well executed - not saying, there aren't less well executed images that still deserve 10s - that's what I call dishonesty, not attitude. So in that way you are right, dishonesty threatens me.) |
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