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08/14/2003 01:21:18 PM · #76 |
That means they have a product people care about and pay money for. Doesn't seem to be anti-dpc to argue against a challenge idea.
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08/14/2003 01:23:41 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by joebar:
What did they mean by this?
"To attempt to recover from last week's mistake (the Future Challenge)..."
Why was it a "mistake"? Haven't been by the site for a bit.. |
The mistake, I think, wasn't in having the future challenge, or even in having the open-edit challenge, but in the language used in the challenge description, and in how liberally it was interpreted. Search the current challenge forum, in particular this thread. There was a huge flap over what "no holds barred" meant. I don't know what the final body-count was, but it sounded like there might have been quite a few DQs. |
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08/14/2003 01:27:38 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
That means they have a product people care about and pay money for. Doesn't seem to be anti-dpc to argue against a challenge idea.
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Shoulda put a smiley there. :-) I didn't say or mean it's all "anti-dpc" (although, as I think about it more, re-read John's original post - that sounds pretty damn anti-dpc to me), just that I can imagine it's got to get pretty discouraging to have every single challenge topic ripped to shreds every week. Hats off to those guys for putting up with all the fussing. |
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08/14/2003 01:31:30 PM · #79 |
quick questions
Is rotating alowed if a pic was taken as a portrate?
Has any one ruled if the shot can be taken in sepia or BW in the cam?
what in the cam adjustments can be made in the cam?
am I alowed to use Elements 2 to do the resizing and save for web thingie to post it?
...... don't know any other way ,,,, hate to be DQ'ed for something stupid like that
guess that's all for now??
Will do my whining after I recive my 3.6 score in the challenge....but this time I have a really good excuse.
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08/14/2003 01:33:02 PM · #80 |
Anything done in the cam is legal. Anything done out of the cam is not.
I think that sums it up
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08/14/2003 01:33:20 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I just think it's a piss poor idea. Why solicit a bunch of photos that aren't gonna be what they could be? I'm about to give up. The challenge topics lately have been mediocre (IMO) and this 'no edit' challenge is just a joke...
I'm outta here for a few weeks... I don't suppose the site is gonna move forward. Let's go backwards instead for a while... |
I'd like to see you do this one, John. Surely we'd learn a thing or two? You're no.1 in the favourites, so to duck out is a bit of a shame (although obviously your perogative!).
I reckon this is going to be quite a revealing challenge regardless of the topic.
If one wants black & white and you've only got a colour camera then shoot something colourless in muted conditions, etc, etc.. It will give those who rely on Photoshop for salvage a bit of a job. Great fun and slightly daunting.
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08/14/2003 01:35:44 PM · #82 |
None of the bellow!
camera is taking the photo in color,then camera software changes it to sepia or b/w!
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08/14/2003 01:39:40 PM · #83 |
Can't the 10D produce a jpeg file and a RAW file at the same time? Save the RAW file to do more serious editing on later and just submit the jpeg version to the challenge.
I'm in favor of more liberal editing as anyone but this is just one challenge. I'm personally going to enjoy it. It means that instead of taking my shot 10 minutes before the deadline, as usual, I can now save a bunch of time and take the shot 2 minutes before the deadline. Now what am I going to do with all that time I'm going to save?
What a lively group today : )
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08/14/2003 01:48:45 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Anything done in the cam is legal. Anything done out of the cam is not.
I think that sums it up |
So no rotated portrait entries, unless you camera can auto detect shot orientation ? How challenging... |
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08/14/2003 02:17:32 PM · #85 |
Rotating surely must be allowed as it is neccessary to view a portrait oriented image properly and it isn't really an edit to the image.
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08/14/2003 02:18:20 PM · #86 |
I have not posted anything on this site before, because while their are some great discussions about techniques, hints and other helpful items, there is a whooolle bunch of whining and complaining about why nobody loves my photos, how i'm so misunderstood, and how there are a bunch of wretches out there with no understanding of aesthetics or "Art".
Good Lord people, quitcher bitchin and man up. If you don't like the challenge, sit it out. If you're not creative enough to work within the guidelines of a specific challenge, just deal with it or do your best. I don't have much time to enter many photos, but I'm tempted to make more time to do so now because of this pathetic whining. OK, done with my rant now. I feel better... You may proceed with the replies, I promise not to take them personally.
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08/14/2003 02:21:53 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by timj351:
Rotating surely must be allowed as it is neccessary to view a portrait oriented image properly and it isn't really an edit to the image.
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Then turn the cam when you take it. ;)
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08/14/2003 02:22:01 PM · #88 |
| For those that haven't looked at this tutorial in a while, read the last line. The photo placed first in its challenge. |
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08/14/2003 02:22:37 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by timj351:
Rotating surely must be allowed as it is neccessary to view a portrait oriented image properly and it isn't really an edit to the image.
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Dunno, it says ' [can't do...] any post processing what-so-ever. You are allowed to resize -- and that's final.'
Yes it's silly, yes it doesn't allow rotation - but there it is. I don't really consider levels and curves adjustments as 'edits' either, they are just required.
I assume we aren't allowed to sharpen after the resize either, even though its pretty much required to counteract the smoothing of the resampling algorithms.
Message edited by author 2003-08-14 14:42:13. |
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08/14/2003 02:25:04 PM · #90 |
Winthrop, stop trying to undo human nature! ;)
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08/14/2003 02:32:25 PM · #91 |
My thoughts on this thread:
I'm a beginner, but it seems to me that it's easier to work in photoshop if the source image is the best it can be. I can do more in PS with an image that starts out well than I can with a poor image.
This challenge sounds like a good way to work on getting that starting image the best it can be. That will only make me a better photographer.
So I like it. |
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08/14/2003 03:12:24 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by timj351:
Rotating surely must be allowed as it is neccessary to view a portrait oriented image properly and it isn't really an edit to the image.
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F717 can rotate in cam :) But since it would be a thousand DQ requests and the votes of 1 that usually go with it, I'm not going there :)
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08/14/2003 03:56:10 PM · #93 |
Just turn the camera sideways!
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08/14/2003 04:03:44 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Just turn the camera sideways! |
I know you've said this twice, but you do realise it doesn't make sense, right ? :) |
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08/14/2003 04:07:37 PM · #95 |
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08/14/2003 04:08:32 PM · #96 |
You know what's cool about this challenge, now that I've had 16 hrs to think about it? I can learn what my cam will do in cam all over again.
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08/14/2003 07:54:57 PM · #97 |
omg, i go to montana and am offline for a week, and i come back to all this crying? good lord! what is wrong with you people? is it really worth this much whining? do i have to tell people to 'get some perspective'?
I find it weird that anyone would find one week's challenge topic to be the end of the world. This is just really baffling. if you don't like it, don't enter. why the fanfare? or give it a shot. either way, why should the rest of us care???
secondly, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE: to get the best shot possible without using photoshop as a crutch. are you all who are so upset about this challenge: are you honestly saying that you are not up to the challenge of getting the absolute most out of your camera? I thought y'all were scrappers. Now you're basically saying 'wah wah wah, without photoshop i can't play'? you're not willing to challenge yourself to see what you can do without your favorite crutch?
thirdly, shooting in RAW and converting to JPEG using capture one, breezebrower, or other raw converter is basically exactly the same thing as being able to do levels and curves, hue and saturation, etc. in photoshop. it's against the spirit of the challenge. obviiously people are gonna do what they want but if you really don't wanna "cheat" and have an unfair advantage, you should just shoot in JPEG.
fifth, joanna, we'd already determined way back that anything you can do in the camera is allowed. if that means your cam can do bw or sepia, or multi exposures, then it's perfectly legal. resizing and saving for web in ps elements is just fine.
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08/14/2003 08:45:55 PM · #98 |
| I think this challenge is a great exercise on setting up a shot knowing that you can't or won't have time for post-processing. It is a challenge to not use you post-processing software boohoo. Have fun with it! |
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08/14/2003 10:59:44 PM · #99 |
Is there also no cropping in this challenge???
Message edited by author 2003-08-14 23:01:05.
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08/14/2003 11:14:06 PM · #100 |
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