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12/29/2008 10:51:15 PM · #26 |
| I was waiting to see if anybody had any objections...of removing it. If I totally removed the comment then none of this would make any sense and it would seem like I was getting bashed for no reason at all. Attention seeking? |
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12/29/2008 10:53:52 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Blackbox:
I didn't go anywhere - but I might. I'm very, very upset right now. And, if I have to look at what I consider nudity and a slap in my face this 'holiday season', then I think reading the 'f' word is about an even exchange. I can take that comment away but the photos I'm upset about are here for eternity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at the photographers and I'm NEVER mad at where my photos place: I'm upset over the fact that the voters voted nudity as the best photos at such a reverent time of year. I think it is disgraceful to the human race. |
Then this is not the place for you.
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12/29/2008 10:56:43 PM · #28 |
Enough with the personal attacks on Blackbox. Just. Plain. Enough.
He's entitled to feel however he feels, and there is absolutely no reason to jump on him like this. He didn't start this thread whinging about his principles, and we expect that all users will show him the respect that they would want shown to them. |
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12/29/2008 11:04:48 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Blackbox:
No, there's not nudity and I'm the disgrace... |
Somehow I doubt you're a disgrace. I'm still confused but maybe either take a little break if you are angry or focus on the free studies. Those seem to be more about photography than the other challenges.
Message edited by author 2008-12-29 23:05:41.
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12/29/2008 11:09:35 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Judi:
We are still in the Christmas season. Is there any chance we can all just forget about arguing over nudity, expert/advanced/basic/minimal challenges, politics, religion, setting villages on fire and whatever else tickles your fancy. Everyone is different and you will never agree with everything...nor will everyone agree with you...so for now...can we just put all this aside...there is a whole year ahead for arguing. I am personally sick of it all. This is a family site...if it wasn't....there wouldn't be so many stringent rules in place.
PLEASE NOTE:- This post is not aimed at any one person...but at the site members in general. |
Judi, I was with you, until you said no setting villages on fire... Not even a small hamlet? :-(
BTW: Congrats on your winning photo.
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12/29/2008 11:11:54 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Blackbox:
No, there's not nudity and I'm the disgrace... |
I don't think we said that at all. I know I'm just really confuzzled... |
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12/29/2008 11:31:16 PM · #32 |
What I want to know is if we cannot express our vision here on a photography site without other photographers expressing their disdain, rather than respecting our right to our expression, then where do we go?
If you don't like my image, fine, that's your right, but what gives you the right to say that my vision, and attempt to convey it is a disgrace?
And if the majority of the other photogs happen to see it my way rather than yours, doesn't it stand to reason that perhaps the image has more merit than you give credit?
The very next image may very well tank, and your image receives the accolades you hope for......then that's okay, right?
The respect we should hold for each other's artistic expression really should outweigh personal tastes.
Otherwise, what's the point?
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12/29/2008 11:40:06 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by L2:
Enough with the personal attacks on Blackbox. Just. Plain. Enough.
He's entitled to feel however he feels, and there is absolutely no reason to jump on him like this. He didn't start this thread whinging about his principles, and we expect that all users will show him the respect that they would want shown to them. |
That's fine, but please explain how this fundamental attack on the community at large is justified just because he feels it's irreverent.
"I'm upset over the fact that the voters voted nudity as the best photos at such a reverent time of year. I think it is disgraceful to the human race."
Message edited by author 2008-12-29 23:40:40.
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12/29/2008 11:43:27 PM · #34 |
| Are you talking about the image(s) I awarded a 2 (not for the nudity but for bad taste, i.e. "failure of feeling")? |
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12/29/2008 11:51:36 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Are you talking about the image(s) I awarded a 2 (not for the nudity but for bad taste, i.e. "failure of feeling")? |
To keep that in perspective, it should be noted that at 14,201 votes cast, your average vote given is 3.5783.
So that's really above your 50 percentile........8>)
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12/30/2008 12:08:50 AM · #36 |
| Interesting perspectives. One thing that may not have been mentioned is that Christmas is among the most sacred of Christian holidays celebrating the birth of Christ. Now if you want a scantily clad image to represent a sacred holiday through jestful inferences of seduction and/or promiscuity, dude, your looking to get egged. lol. Look what the Islamics did over a few cartoons. I'd suggest the diverse community of DPC celebrate holidays like Festivus as they may be less challenging to people's religious views If not, I'll pay large money to see the winning entries in the "What I Want For Ramadan" challenge. |
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12/30/2008 12:18:08 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Interesting perspectives. One thing that may not have been mentioned is that Christmas is among the most sacred of Christian holidays celebrating the birth of Christ. Now if you want a scantily clad image to represent a sacred holiday through jestful inferences of seduction and/or promiscuity, dude, your looking to get egged. lol. Look what the Islamics did over a few cartoons. I'd suggest the diverse community of DPC celebrate holidays like Festivus as they may be less challenging to people's religious views If not, I'll pay large money to see the winning entries in the "What I Want For Ramadan" challenge. |
Thats a very interesting take in fact. FWIW, religion did not cross my mind when I looked at the top two picks. Hard to believe? It could be. But its true. My only take (and its just my opinion.. nothing to do with how the DPC community feels) is that basic human instincts still strike when you are allowed to take them out.. anonymous voting is a very good example... one can express or live their fundamental likings through voting when no one will know that you did. Of course this may not be true for everyone. But I suspect for most it is.
Sorry but I couldnt ingest your religious take on this. It is fundamentally about the truest (is that a word?:-) and most basic organic desires. No more, no less. Not that complicated.
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12/30/2008 12:19:21 AM · #38 |
i happen to know several agnostic people who still 'celebrate' christmas (ie - exchange gifts, etc.) with their family & loved ones. how's THAT for confusing? what about someone who has only recently changed their personal religious affiliations, yet still participates with their friends & loved ones?
btw - the challenge was titled 'what i WANT for christmas'. not that hard to figure out what would get the popular vote. besides, what's wrong with being honest?
* (not intended to argue with anyone; simply an observation)
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 00:21:36.
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12/30/2008 12:36:36 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
i happen to know several agnostic people who still 'celebrate' christmas (ie - exchange gifts, etc.) with their family & loved ones. how's THAT for confusing? what about someone who has only recently changed their personal religious affiliations, yet still participates with their friends & loved ones?
btw - the challenge was titled 'what i WANT for christmas'. not that hard to figure out what would get the popular vote. besides, what's wrong with being honest?
* (not intended to argue with anyone; simply an observation) |
Agnostics celebrating Christmas?? I can believe that agnostics celebrate alongside those who celebrate Christmas. An agnostic should also enter the challenge titled "What I Want During Christmas" as they can never receive something for Christmas as that would be hypocritical. On the point of honesty ...... prudence shields honest people from being misunderstood. Prudence may have been revealed these honest images in another challenge and not one associated with a religious holiday. ;-)
Myself, I have strayed off the path of Christianity far too many times to be speaking from a higher moral ground. I just enjoy a good mind slap now and then. |
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12/30/2008 12:48:01 AM · #40 |
| lol, the more things change... same argument, different year. |
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12/30/2008 01:03:12 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by rossbilly:
i happen to know several agnostic people who still 'celebrate' christmas (ie - exchange gifts, etc.) with their family & loved ones. how's THAT for confusing? what about someone who has only recently changed their personal religious affiliations, yet still participates with their friends & loved ones?
btw - the challenge was titled 'what i WANT for christmas'. not that hard to figure out what would get the popular vote. besides, what's wrong with being honest?
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Agnostics celebrating Christmas?? I can believe that agnostics celebrate alongside those who celebrate Christmas. An agnostic should also enter the challenge titled "What I Want During Christmas" as they can never receive something for Christmas as that would be hypocritical. On the point of honesty ...... prudence shields honest people from being misunderstood. Prudence may have been revealed these honest images in another challenge and not one associated with a religious holiday. ;-)
Myself, I have strayed off the path of Christianity far too many times to be speaking from a higher moral ground. I just enjoy a good mind slap now and then. |
True. Just pointing out the obvious:
Family member, speaking to their agnostic relative - "Hey John, what would you like for your christmas present this year?"
John - "Well, there is one photo I'd like printed life-sized..."
Though he may not be actively celebrating, he is an active participant.
Come to think of it, don't most people joke/tease/flirt with their significant other? "Ooooh! I just want to unwrap YOU for Christmas!" Sounds like a celebration of two persons in love, no? What could be better than that... and how is a loving relationship NOT a part of the season?
Something to be thankful for, no doubt ;)
Message edited by author 2008-12-30 01:06:22.
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12/30/2008 01:05:00 AM · #42 |
| Some people take themselves waaaaaaaaayyyyy too seriously. |
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12/30/2008 01:37:55 AM · #43 |
| I missed the offensive significance, but I did wonder if all the voters were male for this past challenge.... :-) |
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12/30/2008 01:39:32 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I missed the offensive significance, but I did wonder if all the voters were male for this past challenge.... :-) |
I didn't vote on that challenge...but I would have voted favorably. The photographers photographed what they wanted for Christmas...the images were technically sound and certainly pleasing to the eye.
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12/30/2008 01:48:47 AM · #45 |
this thread reminds me a bit of an old movie called "Borat" i watched last night and i think it is a nice movie simply for the fact that you can see honest responses/reactions from average people (coz they aren't entirely acting?). the scene at the "fine dining" dinner table is a nice example of people's reaction to things they disapprove; and also the limits of tolerance of different individuals.
warning though, it is a racist, sexist and movie of bad taste. not for the narrow minded. |
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12/30/2008 02:10:28 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by crayon:
this thread reminds me a bit of an old movie called "Borat" i watched last night and i think it is a nice movie simply for the fact that you can see honest responses/reactions from average people (coz they aren't entirely acting?). the scene at the "fine dining" dinner table is a nice example of people's reaction to things they disapprove; and also the limits of tolerance of different individuals.
warning though, it is a racist, sexist and movie of bad taste. not for the narrow minded. |
Sheesh, OLD movie?
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan was released in November of 2006. Hysterical movie. Sascha Baron Cohen is a genuine original...
R.
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12/30/2008 03:01:34 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by crayon:
this thread reminds me a bit of an old movie called "Borat" i watched last night and i think it is a nice movie simply for the fact that you can see honest responses/reactions from average people (coz they aren't entirely acting?). the scene at the "fine dining" dinner table is a nice example of people's reaction to things they disapprove; and also the limits of tolerance of different individuals.
warning though, it is a racist, sexist and movie of bad taste. not for the narrow minded. |
Sheesh, OLD movie?
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan was released in November of 2006. Hysterical movie. Sascha Baron Cohen is a genuine original...
R. |
oops, its from 2006? sorry, so it's not old, but damn, it's funny! (but i'm pretty sure a lot of people on DPC would get highly offended by the movie). i think it's a good watch. i wonder if they explained themselves to the people they shot after they got their scenes. coz damn, i really think they were gonna get mobbed at the rodeo after he "unintentionally" insulted USA's national anthem. |
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12/30/2008 03:22:34 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by crayon:
oops, its from 2006? sorry, so it's not old, but damn, it's funny! (but i'm pretty sure a lot of people on DPC would get highly offended by the movie). i think it's a good watch. i wonder if they explained themselves to the people they shot after they got their scenes. coz damn, i really think they were gonna get mobbed at the rodeo after he "unintentionally" insulted USA's national anthem. |
I've never thought people were as misled as the producers would want us to believe; after all, they had an entire film crew working to make that footage, how oblivious would you have to be NOT to realize Borat/Cohen's fulminations were part of a movie?
R.
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12/30/2008 03:56:22 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by crayon:
oops, its from 2006? sorry, so it's not old, but damn, it's funny! (but i'm pretty sure a lot of people on DPC would get highly offended by the movie). i think it's a good watch. i wonder if they explained themselves to the people they shot after they got their scenes. coz damn, i really think they were gonna get mobbed at the rodeo after he "unintentionally" insulted USA's national anthem. |
I've never thought people were as misled as the producers would want us to believe; after all, they had an entire film crew working to make that footage, how oblivious would you have to be NOT to realize Borat/Cohen's fulminations were part of a movie?
R. |
Yes i do factor in the fact that they have a cameraman (at least) on most of the footage, but certain scenes DOES makes you wonder if they (the producers) managed to convince those they interviewed to be genuine reporters from Azkhanistan (i cant remember the spelling of this bogus country), or on other cases, using a cheap camcorder disguised as genuine tourists trying to get a taste of the American culture. |
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12/30/2008 04:22:11 AM · #50 |
| The name of the country in the movie was Kazakhstan which is of course a real country, though the producers of the film claim that "The Kazakhstan depicted in the film has little or no relationship with the actual country and the producers explicitly deny attempting to convey the actual beliefs, practices or behavior of anyone associated with Kazakhstan" - funny in itself! |
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