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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

10/28/2009 05:37:27 PM · #528

DPC Leaderboard

Here is the up-to-date leaderboard.

ericwoo (aka. Eric Woods... literally... I think he is Tiger Woods' photography alter ego), has taken an commanding lead.

jomerner,

Bear_Music,

Connor, and[user] pwarmuz[/user] round out the top 5.

A few things to keep in mind:
For photogs that have not yet used up a mulligan, I will take away your two worst scores if necessary. That will drastically change the order in the final two weeks.
The 9th hole is a must play. Any missed holes for the 9th hole will be scored as a 0, regardless of whether or not you have used any mulligans. This will avoid anyone coasting to the finish.

Thanks for playing.

Brad

ETA: November 4
The above rule in italics, was not written into the original rules, and has been removed. Mulligans can be used for all 9 holes.

Message edited by author 2009-11-04 13:53:34.

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

10/28/2009 06:09:47 PM · #529

Whooo Hooo! My creepy bug raised me TEN places! :)

Life is good. Uh huh, it is.

10/28/2009 06:28:04 PM · #530

I've just noticed a flaw in the scoring for the Fantasy League side comp.

What happens with the subs when one of the starting 4 has more than two non-submissions (ie used their two mulligans?

PapaBob has used his 2 and now his non-submissions are coming up as +10 :(

Grrr...

I'm subbing

PapaBob out of my starting 4,

Bear_Music, you're in. Actually... I'll swap

PapaBob for

jomerner (who is now my sub).

Now... what the best/fairest way of handling this non-submission v mulligan issue... how about I ignore "mulligans" all together in the scores and just look at them as non-submissions, afterall, the mulligans may come into play after the 9th.

Also... in my post proposing the fantasy league I wrote "One of the 5 would be a designated substitute, whose score will only count if one or more of the other four photographers do not submit a photo for the round. " Only talks about non-submissions, not mulligans. Therefore, I think we'll clarify it this way.

Substitution rule
1. One of the 5 would be a designated substitute, whose score will only count if one or more of the other four photographers do not submit a photo for the round.
2. In the event that more than one of the other 4 photographers don't submit a photo for the round, the substitute will replace the photographer with the higher handicap and the other(s) score(s) will be calculated based on a 0 for that hole.
3. In the event that the substitute did not submit any photos for the round, then no substitutions can be made and any of the four other photographers that do not submit for that round will count as a 0 for that hole.

Does this seem reasonable?

10/28/2009 08:27:58 PM · #531

Originally posted by vlado:

I've just noticed a flaw in the scoring for the Fantasy League side comp.

What happens with the subs when one of the starting 4 has more than two non-submissions (ie used their two mulligans? PapaBob has used his 2 and now his non-submissions are coming up as +10 :(

Grrr...

I'm subbing PapaBob out of my starting 4, Bear_Music, you're in. Actually... I'll swap PapaBob for jomerner (who is now my sub).

Now... what the best/fairest way of handling this non-submission v mulligan issue... how about I ignore "mulligans" all together in the scores and just look at them as non-submissions, afterall, the mulligans may come into play after the 9th.

Also... in my post proposing the fantasy league I wrote "One of the 5 would be a designated substitute, whose score will only count if one or more of the other four photographers do not submit a photo for the round. " Only talks about non-submissions, not mulligans. Therefore, I think we'll clarify it this way.

Substitution rule
1. One of the 5 would be a designated substitute, whose score will only count if one or more of the other four photographers do not submit a photo for the round.
2. In the event that more than one of the other 4 photographers don't submit a photo for the round, the substitute will replace the photographer with the higher handicap and the other(s) score(s) will be calculated based on a 0 for that hole.
3. In the event that the substitute did not submit any photos for the round, then no substitutions can be made and any of the four other photographers that do not submit for that round will count as a 0 for that hole.

Does this seem reasonable?

Hold on... so your original team was:

Originally posted by vlado:

pwarmuz
PapaBob
jeger
bubeltrubel
Bear_Music (sub)

with

jomerner being added, does that mean we can swap out anybody? If that was the case, I would have done that a while ago. I say we stick with our original teams, and play them only, with the original rules. If you have a non-entry, the sub score counts. If there are more than one non-entry, it counts as the score awarded, 0 for mulligan, or the + score for anyone that has exhausted their mulligan.

10/28/2009 10:42:13 PM · #532

The option to trade was always there as an option, "Transfers can be made, maximum of one per round perhaps", but given it wasn't clear (i.e. you didn't realise it could be done) and nobody used it, then I'm happy to leave the squads as is for the remainder of the tournament.

My problem with the "original rules" is that a grey area had presented itself (in that I was only subbing out mulligans) and I was looking for the fairest, most reasonable way to negotiate it. Your proposed solution works for me, except for some complications that might arise should a players mulligan come into play at the end. But... it's also the simplest solution.

My teams score for week 6


pwarmuz			+1

PapaBob			+10	(non-entry and mulligans exhausted - subbed out)

jeger			-2

bubeltrubel		-1

Bear_Music (sub) 	-9	(subbed in for PapaBob)



Total for week 6: -11

pwarmuz			0	(mulligan)

PapaBob			+10	(non-entry and mulligans exhausted - subbed out)

jeger			+4

bubeltrubel		0	(mulligan)

Bear_Music (sub) 	+6	(subbed in for PapaBob)



Total for week 5: +10 (though I had it originally as +20, not realising at the time that PapaBob's score was a "non-entry with mulligans exhausted"

So... then the week 6 scores are:

vawendy		-13

vlado		-11

VitaminB	-3

jeger		-2

And Overall after 6 weeks:

vlado		-63

VitaminB	-52

jeger		-38

vawendy		-19

Just as an exercise... I did the calcs based on my proposal (i.e. ignoring mulligans all together)

VitaminB	-52

jeger		-38

vlado		-22

vawendy		-11

I much prefer you option

VitaminB ;)

10/28/2009 11:06:42 PM · #533

Originally posted by vlado:

However... what should I do about last week, which triggered the dilemma and talk of grey area, as I had three non-entries in my team... my preference would be to sub out PapaBob.

My teams score for week 5
pwarmuz 0 (mulligan)
PapaBob ~~+10~~ (non-entry and mulligans exhausted - subbed out)
jeger +4
bubeltrubel 0 (mulligan)
Bear_Music (sub) +6 (subbed in for PapaBob)

Total for week 5: +10 (though I had it originally as +20, not realising at the time that PapaBob's score was a "non-entry with mulligans exhausted"

Originally posted by vlado:

To keep it simple, points system would mirror that of the tournament, so your team score for each hole would be the sum of scores for the 4 photographers in play for your team (defaults to nominated starting 4... a sub is made automatically is one or more of your starting 4 doesn't submit an entry).

What we can say is that a sub will replace the mulligan, or a zero as a result of a non-entry, but cannot replace a bad scoring entry?

And, by my calcations you are at -52.7. I will email you the spreadsheet i used to figure this out.

10/28/2009 11:26:21 PM · #534

See, I'd assume that the sub could come in to play for any "non-entry", including the poor scoring ones, but I'm too close to this (i.e. the one most impact at the moment) and will defer the final decision to the others participant.

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

10/28/2009 11:44:56 PM · #535

Originally posted by vlado:

Just sent you a second PM with a spreadsheet that has all participants for all weeks. I will make another that also includes subs replacing worst score in the bunch.

hajeka

Canon EOS R5

11/02/2009 07:17:53 PM · #536

Just submitted something for hole 8. I hope the challenges for hole 9 are somewhat easier.

Ja-9

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/04/2009 11:32:09 AM · #537

ok, I have a really dumb question....again (stop snickering)...what does the "orange" mean on the leader board? I figured out the blue and the red....but I don't get the orange...I tried to read back on the posts and either I missed it (surprise) or it's not there...hmmm

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

11/04/2009 11:37:58 AM · #538

Originally posted by Ja-9:

the orange players already took two mulligans...

Ja-9

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/04/2009 11:40:15 AM · #539

Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
ok, I have a really dumb question....again (stop snickering)...what does the "orange" mean on the leader board? I figured out the blue and the red....but I don't get the orange...I tried to read back on the posts and either I missed it (surprise) or it's not there...hmmm

the orange players already took two mulligans...

OHHHHHH, ya that's me...can't goof off anymore...one more shot to make...

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/04/2009 11:54:12 AM · #540

Leaderboard

The leaderboard has been updated :)

1)

ericwoo -41
2)

jomerner -36
3)

Connor -31
4)

pwarmuz -29
5)

Bear_Music -28

Reminder to everyone that Mulligans cannot be used on the ninth hole. The currently challenges are week 9 (Symmetry III, and Painted Face). Any missed entries will be counted as a 0 score regardless of the number of previous mulligans used.

When the 9 holes are finished, I will remove the worst two positive scores from anyone who does not have any mulligans, and the worst single positive scores from anyone that has only used 1 mulligan.

Thanks for playing... and good luck.

ETA:
The rule in italics above was not written into the original rules, and has been removed. Mulligans will apply to all 9 holes.

Message edited by author 2009-11-04 13:52:26.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

11/04/2009 01:22:29 PM · #541

Originally posted by VitaminB:

Reminder to everyone that Mulligans cannot be used on the ninth hole. The currently challenges are week 9 (Symmetry III, and Painted Face). Any missed entries will be counted as a 0 score regardless of the number of previous mulligans used.

When the 9 holes are finished, I will remove the worst two positive scores from anyone who does not have any mulligans, and the worst single positive scores from anyone that has only used 1 mulligan.

Thanks for playing... and good luck.

Let's be clear on this: couple questions...

1. It is unclear whether the "9th Hole Special Rule" says you cannot drop a did-not-compete on the 9th hole, or whether it means you can't drop your score AT ALL from the 9th hole. In other words, it's obvious that if someone doesn't play the 9th hole their score for that hole will count, but what if they DO play the 9th and their score for that hole is the worst of their 9 holes? Are they stuck with it? And if not, then what is the point of not allowing a did-not-play to be dropped?

The reason this is ambiguous is because of this statement from above:

When the 9 holes are finished, I will remove the worst two positive scores from anyone who does not have any mulligans, and the worst single positive scores from anyone that has only used 1 mulligan.

2. Referencing the above statement again, am I to understand that if you don't HAVE any positive scores, no score will be dropped? In other words, if someone has two positive scores, their total will be based on 7 holes, whereas if someone has NO positive scores, their total will be based on 9 holes? I had been under the assumption that final scoring was to be based on best 7 out of 9 scores, that everyone would have their two highest scores dropped, but perhaps I was wrong?

R.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/04/2009 01:28:25 PM · #542

And more importantly, do I still have the highest score playing all holes so far with no mulligans? :-)

11/04/2009 01:32:55 PM · #543

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by VitaminB:

Reminder to everyone that Mulligans cannot be used on the ninth hole. The currently challenges are week 9 (Symmetry III, and Painted Face). Any missed entries will be counted as a 0 score regardless of the number of previous mulligans used.

When the 9 holes are finished, I will remove the worst two positive scores from anyone who does not have any mulligans, and the worst single positive scores from anyone that has only used 1 mulligan.

Thanks for playing... and good luck.

Let's be clear on this: couple questions...

1. It is unclear whether the "9th Hole Special Rule" says you cannot drop a did-not-compete on the 9th hole, or whether it means you can't drop your score AT ALL from the 9th hole. In other words, it's obvious that if someone doesn't play the 9th hole their score for that hole will count, but what if they DO play the 9th and their score for that hole is the worst of their 9 holes? Are they stuck with it? And if not, then what is the point of not allowing a did-not-play to be dropped?

The reason this is ambiguous is because of this statement from above:

When the 9 holes are finished, I will remove the worst two positive scores from anyone who does not have any mulligans, and the worst single positive scores from anyone that has only used 1 mulligan.

2. Referencing the above statement again, am I to understand that if you don't HAVE any positive scores, no score will be dropped? In other words, if someone has two positive scores, their total will be based on 7 holes, whereas if someone has NO positive scores, their total will be based on 9 holes? I had been under the assumption that final scoring was to be based on best 7 out of 9 scores, that everyone would have their two highest scores dropped, but perhaps I was wrong?

R.

For the 9th hole, there will be no mulligans. I didnt want anyone coasting to the finish, and decid that if they had a strong lead after 8 holes to just ignore the 9th hole, so all scores for the 9th hole will count.

As for the mulligans, I am only going to use them for positive scores. If I took away the worst two performing photos, I would be taking away good performances that improved the score. For example, in your case, you currently have only one score which is positive. If I took your two worst photos, you would end up with a higher score, rather than a lower score. The advantage then goes to photogs that have participated in all 9 holes, and scored well in all 9 holes.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/04/2009 01:34:32 PM · #544

Originally posted by Melethia:

And more importantly, do I still have the highest score playing all holes so far with no mulligans? :-)

I have already worked it out... that if I were to take your current lowest shots in this side challenge, you would currently be at -8 overall. Once the mulligans are factored into your score, you will climb the leaderboard.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

11/04/2009 01:35:28 PM · #545

Originally posted by VitaminB:

That answers that, thank you. Eminently logical :-)

R.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/04/2009 01:49:01 PM · #546

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by VitaminB:

For the 9th hole, there will be no mulligans. I didnt want anyone coasting to the finish, and decid that if they had a strong lead after 8 holes to just ignore the 9th hole, so all scores for the 9th hole will count.

As for the mulligans, I am only going to use them for positive scores. If I took away the worst two performing photos, I would be taking away good performances that improved the score. For example, in your case, you currently have only one score which is positive. If I took your two worst photos, you would end up with a higher score, rather than a lower score. The advantage then goes to photogs that have participated in all 9 holes, and scored well in all 9 holes.

That answers that, thank you. Eminently logical :-)

R.

And just to confuse everyone... looking back at all my posts, I realize that I didnt even mention the 9th hole rule (re: no mulligans on the 9th hole) until 6 weeks into the tournament. I think what happened is that I was thinking about putting that rule in from the start, but second guessed it, and didn't actually write it into the rules (it appears only on the spreadsheet, and not in the forum posts). Because there will be many participants who may have missed the rule, I will be taking it out. Sorry for any confusion everyone.

As it stands then:
Mulligans will be used to remove up to two non-entries during the 9 hole tournament.
Photogs with one, or no missed entries will have their one, or two most positive scoring holes respectively, removed after the 9 week competition.

Message edited by author 2009-11-04 13:57:13.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

11/04/2009 01:49:01 PM · #547

Originally posted by VitaminB:

Originally posted by Melethia:
And more importantly, do I still have the highest score playing all holes so far with no mulligans? :-)

I have already worked it out... that if I were to take your current lowest shots in this side challenge, you would currently be at -8 overall. Once the mulligans are factored into your score, you will climb the leaderboard.

Ahem. I have another uberlow score going right now, and there's the possibility I won't be able to get anything in the next challenge. But thanks anyway! (I'm good with high score. I usually have that when I play the game for real, too.)

11/04/2009 06:46:52 PM · #548

According to my spreadsheet... the Fantasy scores for weeks 7 were:

jeger		-21

vlado		-16

VitaminB	-15

vawendy		+2

Overall:

vlado		-79

VitaminB	-67

jeger		-59

vawendy		-17

That is allowing the sub ONLY for non-entries, be they a mulligan or a non-mulligan (i.e. mulligan's exhausted). Does this match your spreadsheet VitaminB... ?