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Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2008 12:55:25 PM · #101

Hanging in there... :) Very happy with score! :) :) :)

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Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

05/13/2008 01:31:47 PM · #102

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

You have rated 194 of 195 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.8557.

That's just shitty if you ask me. I'm glad not everyone is using that style of scoring images.

Message edited by author 2008-05-13 13:32:47.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

05/13/2008 01:40:51 PM · #103

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
You have rated 194 of 195 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.8557.

That's just sh*tty if you ask me. I'm glad not everyone is using that style of scoring images.

How's that? #1, it's almost a perfect bell curve over the scores.

#2. Most here feel 5 is average. This is pretty darn close to that.

#3. If you take my average 4.8557 * 194 images = 942 points awarded. Remove the 14 points for those that clearly DNMC = 928 points and leaves 180 "good" images. 928/180 = 5.1556. Now I'm OVER the average score.

So I don't understand what is so crappy about honestly rating the images. Do you prefer to lie?

Message edited by author 2008-05-13 13:41:15.

wehrmacher

Pentax K10D

05/13/2008 02:13:26 PM · #104

Hi,

I think I am going to put my oar in the water for another subject. Clealy, those in the forum and contributing to this thread have stong feeling about voting. I wonder, what percentage of the images that rate your vote, rate a comment. My poor fingers are being worked to the bone to give comments. I haven't voted on 190 or even 38, yet, but I believe I have commented on every one.

I would really appreciate your thougths on the subject as my old fingers are really suffering.

Thanks.

oh... PS. Do you ever note the impact of folks changing their votes? I acknowledged that my geekhood drove me to pay close attention to my scores and I noticed my average moving around (down, unfortunately) without any increased votes. Hum, just curious.

Bill

meyers

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

05/13/2008 02:17:48 PM · #105

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Actually, given the range is 1 to 10, the expected average would be 5.5, and just because your scores look like a bell curve doesn't necessarily make it so.

If you found most of the submissions lacking, just say so and leave it at that. I'd suspect my own image wasn't one of your higher scoring ones, but I don't let myself get too worked up over overly harsh (or overly generous) individual voters. Did you leave feedback some of the images you found so awful?

PHOTOKID

05/13/2008 02:24:41 PM · #106

Originally posted by wehrmacher:

oh... PS. Do you ever note the impact of folks changing their votes? I acknowledged that my geekhood drove me to pay close attention to my scores and I noticed my average moving around (down, unfortunately) without any increased votes. Hum, just curious.

Bill

Hi Bill,

I have also noticed my avg trending lower without the addition of new votes, which makes me assume people are lowering their votes as well.

Rich

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

05/13/2008 02:28:19 PM · #107

Originally posted by meyers:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

How's that? #1, it's almost a perfect bell curve over the scores.

#2. Most here feel 5 is average. This is pretty darn close to that.

#3. If you take my average 4.8557 * 194 images = 942 points awarded. Remove the 14 points for those that clearly DNMC = 928 points and leaves 180 "good" images. 928/180 = 5.1556. Now I'm OVER the average score.

So I don't understand what is so crappy about honestly rating the images. Do you prefer to lie?

Actually, given the range is 1 to 10, the expected average would be 5.5, and just because your scores look like a bell curve doesn't necessarily make it so.

If you found most of the submissions lacking, just say so and leave it at that. I'd suspect my own image wasn't one of your higher scoring ones, but I don't let myself get too worked up over overly harsh (or overly generous) individual voters. Did you leave feedback some of the images you found so awful?

I agree the average is truly 5.5, but around here, people say 5, since they cannot cast a 5.5 vote -- something has to be "average" :)

How can the scores look like a bell curve and not actually be one? And giving something a 5 or a 4 vote doesn't mean it's lacking, it just means that's what it is. All the ones that were "awful" as you put it (earned 1s or 2s), did get told -- again, these were DNMC, so that's the best they could get.

meyers

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

05/13/2008 02:33:15 PM · #108

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Your curve isn't symmetrical; your peak is below average. Just because you have more of a clump off the extremes doesn't make it a bell curve, and your justification for your distribution of votes isn't really helped by this. Your votes are what they are, regardless of how they're distributed, and people need to accept that. You won't make everyone happy, but that shouldn't be your aim.

cstein96

Nikon D40X

05/13/2008 02:43:00 PM · #109

who cares how someone votes as long as they are consistent in the challenge?

If someone's average votes from out to a 5 and someone elses come out to an 8 and they maintained the same reasoning for all the votes, then the winner still comes out on top.

I try to give out only 3 tens per voting - these are my first second and third place voting. Some people give out more tens, I just choose not to.
Does that make me a bad voter? No.

The funny thing about art is subjective. And with so many good photographers around here, it's easy to see why some things get a 5 even though they're pretty darn good.

scrum8

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

05/13/2008 02:49:35 PM · #110

I don't give out 5's. On the first pass I give only 4's and 6's. Its either above average or below average. On the 2nd pass I bump the 6's up. I don't go back and bump the 4's down. Everyone gets at a least a 4 for subjecting themselves to the process.

Siggav

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

05/13/2008 02:49:53 PM · #111

aaand back to the score reporting.

I'm back above a 6, wonder how long that'll last.

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More comments than I expected as well.

robinssong

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2008 02:53:56 PM · #112

Originally posted by wehrmacher:

Hi,

oh... PS. Do you ever note the impact of folks changing their votes? I acknowledged that my geekhood drove me to pay close attention to my scores and I noticed my average moving around (down, unfortunately) without any increased votes. Hum, just curious.

Bill

I've seen it go both ways. Sometimes up, sometimes down. Some other non-scientific observations...
voters are often crabby on Mondays and this will start you off with a lower score than you end up with...

When one of the respected DPC Celebrities posts how they are voting it seems that many follow suit... good or bad.

There are always heated discussions when it comes to voting. Some DPC voters take challenge descriptions VERY seriously and are very rigid about the DNMC vote even when the photo is technically stunning and/or a work of art. Of course, some would argue that some DNMC photo's show up regularly with ribbons. :)

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

05/13/2008 03:02:05 PM · #113

Originally posted by robinssong:

There are always heated discussions when it comes to voting. Some DPC voters take challenge descriptions VERY seriously and are very rigid about the DNMC vote even when the photo is technically stunning and/or a work of art.

As well they should. Otherwise Challenge Descriptions are 100% useless. For those DNMC that are stunning works or art, there is a free study each and every month. Voila, problem solved.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

05/13/2008 03:06:25 PM · #114

Originally posted by robinssong:

Hanging in there... :) Very happy with score! :) :) :)

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Hey! Congrats. That's looking to make your top PB lineup. :-)

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

05/13/2008 03:07:25 PM · #115

Originally posted by bassbone:

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My score has dropped a bit but I did pick up a favorite!

Still holding onto that 6? Fav's are fun. :-)

bassbone

Nikon Z8

05/13/2008 03:09:46 PM · #116

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by bassbone:
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My score has dropped a bit but I did pick up a favorite!

Still holding onto that 6? Fav's are fun. :-)

Just barely hanging on to that 6, but I am not complaining!

robinssong

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2008 04:07:57 PM · #117

Thanks Glad! :)

Point taken HawkeyeLonewolf. :)

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

05/13/2008 04:16:30 PM · #118

Originally posted by robinssong:

Thanks Glad! :)

Point taken HawkeyeLonewolf. :)

Kumbaya!

jonfrommk

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/13/2008 05:04:35 PM · #119

Originally posted by Love6:

Originally posted by jonfrommk:

Try Upping Votes

were your comments at least nice? :)

Love6 I had one wonderful comment (but no comment from you) the Try Upping Votes was just a silly word play on the challenge title.

Mine is what it is and I am happy with the score

I dont know whether I have said before but I do love your voting patterns and your enthusiasm, for me you are one of the people who encapsulates what DPC is (or should be) about

In fact you are a Tremendously Uplifting Voter

Thank you

RamblinR

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

05/13/2008 05:31:57 PM · #120

Looks like this one might be heading for my PB line on my page. Was hoping it would take first place on the line but doesn't look like that will happen. I had hoped it would do better but I don't get 6.xxx votes very often so I've gotta be happy with that. I had thought this would do better though.

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Message edited by author 2008-05-13 17:48:48.

kleski

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/13/2008 07:02:43 PM · #121

This is the thread for score posting isn't it???????

How many times will we argue the voting issue, everyone is different and votes how they feel, take your score and go with it....

Here is mine

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Updated: 05/13/08 06:56 pm

my first attempt at HDR is a semi-success so I am happy with it and the comments, thank you!!

wehrmacher

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

05/13/2008 07:23:16 PM · #122

Yes, I guess it is where we post scores. I am not as happy with mine as you are with yours, but I think they are fair. :)

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Love6

Sony DSLR-A330

Sigma 28-90mm f/3.5-5.6 for Nikon

05/13/2008 08:07:57 PM · #123

Originally posted by jonfrommk:

Originally posted by Love6:

Originally posted by jonfrommk:

Try Upping Votes

were your comments at least nice? :)

Love6 I had one wonderful comment (but no comment from you) the Try Upping Votes was just a silly word play on the challenge title.

Mine is what it is and I am happy with the score

I dont know whether I have said before but I do love your voting patterns and your enthusiasm, for me you are one of the people who encapsulates what DPC is (or should be) about

In fact you are a Tremendously Uplifting Voter

Thank you

aww thanks :) I went to school for art-and my teachers actually explained a lot of their critique methods to me-since I was curious how they provided constructive feedback without crushing their 'students' I really try my best to remember everything they each taught me- I sure as heck know one of them was no good at it at all and I quit that class because of it; EFFORT put into something deserves -some- form of reward or comment of encouragement... some constructive feedback -- I mean we all joined for a reason right? we want to improve our art in the 'public' eye? or some tips for how to achieve an overall appealing image while not loosing ourselves and our own artistic views and not entirely conforming to the 'maintsream' right? :) each person has some hope for a 'ribbon' even if they already have 30 or more ;) its always nice to help others too tho- IE: if I know something that someone else doesn't know, perhaps they'll know something that _I_ don't know and in turn one hand washes the other ;) -- its how I got my first tattoo... I drew an angel for a friend of mine (i'm not too shabby at sketching when I want to) and she gave me a tattoo...

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XMountaineer

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/13/2008 08:09:18 PM · #124

still not satisfied

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manish