Liebovitz chose wrong with Miley

04/28/2008 07:35:29 PM · #53

Originally posted by scarbrd:

It's The Beatles. Carry on.

You know, I really thought that at the time. Darn built in spell checker. I've given up my responsibilities and ability to think to the machine.

04/28/2008 07:36:59 PM · #54

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

We get your point, but I don't hear you offering a cross-section of people that youth should/will look up to. Nobody particularly wants their kids looking up to these people, but that is what corporate culture is offering. We all wish it were different.

There are plenty of people around that your kids could be looking up to. Many were mentioned in this thread. Most of them I would assume wouldn't be in popular culture and popular music in particular. I'm sure you can find more if you think about it. I'd offer mine but they are now dead, formerly middle-aged bongo players and other characters of disrepute that I was introduced to by my brother.

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04/28/2008 07:48:18 PM · #55

Gary Marsh, the president of entertainment for Disney Channel Worldwide, in Portfolio Magazine last week:
"For Miley Cyrus to be a 'good girl' is now a business decision for her. Parents have invested in her a godliness. If she violates that trust, she won't get it back."

//www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html

Parents have invested in her a godliness ???

Really ?

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04/28/2008 07:53:43 PM · #56

the whole thing sounds like a marketing strategy. Any press, whether negative or positive, ends up being good press. it's brilliant if you ask me and I've spent 5 years as a creative director for an ad agency, this wasn't just an accident.

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04/28/2008 07:54:13 PM · #57

the photo makes her look scary, but then again annie leibovitz work is usually a bit weird to me.

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04/28/2008 07:57:43 PM · #58

do your eight year olds read 'vanity fair' ?

maybe that's the issue...

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04/28/2008 08:11:55 PM · #59

Originally posted by soup:

do your eight year olds read 'vanity fair' ?

maybe that's the issue...

Soup, not sure if you're asking me (or just generally).

Our daughter isn't even exposed to Hannah Montanna, or Music Videos or movies more than PG ratings.

But then again we're in Australia, so my children are not exposed to the same quantity of media that I hear US children are.

We don't have cable (called Pay TV here). We don't subscribe or buy magazines.

However I still think the idea of the photo is disappointing - not for my 8 year old in particular - just for teens and tweens in general - we are sexual beings for a LONG portion of our lives (we hope - GRIN) so WHY do we need to start children early?

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04/28/2008 08:20:22 PM · #60

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Jessica Simpson was also on MMC and so far, she hasn't squeezed out spawn with a semi-talented rapper/backup dancer, paraded her pantiless coochie all over town for a paparazzi, or mentioned genital piercings.

She comes across as a sexy dingbat, but she's got class.

Are you holding Jessica Simpson up as a fine example of young female role model ? Or just not quite as tragic a modern day story as Britney ?

Actually, I think the whole discussion is somewhat messed up. Why anyone would consider pop/ rock stars as potential role models is pretty strange in my mind. Isn't the whole point that they lead a life of ridiculous excess that we watch in horrified fascination ? Perhaps mixed with some jealously, maybe laced with some contempt, but as role models, ever ? Something is seriously wrong in that picture.

Was Mick Jagger ever a role model ? Ozzy Osbourne ? The Beetles ? Would you expect them to be ?

Hmmm, well, I dunno about role model, but she has done a better job of not losing her mind or deciding to play the slut.

As for Mick, Ozzy or the Beatles, I'd say you'd have to consider how many kids looked up to and emulated them. I'd wager that's a pretty big number. Good or bad.

I don't understand why these people are held up as role models either, nor do I understand the appeal of rappers

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04/28/2008 08:25:53 PM · #61

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'm not trying to say that photo is over the edge. I'm more railing against the inevitable process that seems to doom young women. To prove the point, can anybody name five 18-25 year old female role models who are not known for their beauty?

Chaching! I agree DR. It is sad.

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04/28/2008 08:26:09 PM · #62

Originally posted by trevords7:

the whole thing sounds like a marketing strategy. Any press, whether negative or positive, ends up being good press.

Talk to Britney about whether that bit of conventional wisdom is always true...

04/28/2008 08:27:33 PM · #63

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

As for Mick, Ozzy or the Beatles, I'd say you'd have to consider how many kids looked up to and emulated them. I'd wager that's a pretty big number. Good or bad.

I don't understand why these people are held up as role models either, nor do I understand the appeal of rappers

As far as I see it, they are just doing what they want to do, playing music, taking drugs, having a fine time if that's what you like.

The notion that if you are in public life you are supposed to be a role model is the bit that seems silly to me. If you are stepping up and moralising, like most politicians, priests and day-time talk show hosts I think it is fair enough, if you are going to harp on about it, you should be expected to live to that standard or a higher one. But musicians and pop mimes ? People might well want to be them, but isn't it the part of the parenting process to educate about the good and bad influences ? Find those positive and negative role models and explain the difference ?

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04/28/2008 08:41:10 PM · #64

Originally posted by Gordon:

... but isn't it the part of the parenting process to educate about the good and bad influences ? Find those positive and negative role models and explain the difference ?

Totally Agree Gordon. It certainly is.

Additionally there is the idea that 'it takes a village to raise a child', and it sometimes bites when other's in our 'village' offer too many 'role models' of one ilk and too few of the other - GRIN!

We have a much used saying in our home 'Different families, Different rules' - my children understand this because I DO take the time.

Not all children are given the same quality of 'time'.

The world can move at a VERY fast pace for children/tweens/teens. Parents are not always around to educate. Often what is 'learnt' is on the playground at school because children by nature, look left and right to find out what others of their peer group are experiencing.

... ok, so clearly I have feelings about this - Parenting is a passion of mine ... SMILE!

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04/28/2008 08:55:32 PM · #65

Well said DrAchoo! Well said.

Leibovitz has always been overrated. And the fact that she's a lesbian getting young underage girls to strip for the camera doesn't speak much for her judgement being sound.

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04/28/2008 08:59:07 PM · #66

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

And the fact that she's a lesbian getting young underage girls to strip for the camera doesn't speak much for her judgement being sound.

Leave it to you...

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04/28/2008 09:15:23 PM · #67

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
And the fact that she's a lesbian getting young underage girls to strip for the camera doesn't speak much for her judgement being sound.

Leave it to you...

Someone has to say the truth. She can be what she chooses on her own time.

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04/28/2008 09:18:39 PM · #68

Originally posted by Gordon:

"For Miley Cyrus to be a 'good girl' is now a business decision for her. Parents have invested in her a godliness. If she violates that trust, she won't get it back."

//www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html

Parents have invested in her a godliness ???

Really ?

IMHO, for her parents to have allowed her to attain this status is a sight more disturbing than the Annie Liebowitz image ...

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04/28/2008 09:21:17 PM · #69

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

And if the photog had been a GUY he'd be what? "A dirty old man getting underage girls to..."? Get real! What does sexual orientation have to do with this?

R.