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11/24/2006 04:33:36 PM · #201 |
Originally posted by sb404:
Originally posted by mnphotoblogger:
To all voters, the perspective of the lighting in a photograph creates a DRAMATIC EFFECT. Understand that. Maybe the composition isn't so perspective but the perspective of the lighting IS.
For isn't a photograph a capture of light, If a perspective lighting technique is used, Then there IS a dramatic effect... Please for the sake of other photographers; vote, also, according to the perspective of the lighting and not only according to the perspective of the composition. |
The last reflection challenge also mentionned to creatively use a reflection without mirrors and without having the camera show.
Now have a look at the winners. I have to say I'm still a bit bitter after seeing my picture did worst than one that had the camera showing in it, and it just goes to show that you can't expect voters to vote like you want them to.
It is also hard to expect everyone to understand your point of view when you take a picture of a concept. You only have the title line to try and make the voter understand what you intended to shoot. |
Yes I agree with what you said. The most important part about this whole thing I think though, is not to complain and be upset when things don't go our way. If you think the photo you entered is great then don't necessarily stop liking it if it didn't score hight on Dpc. For being a relatively new member, maybe I am talking with out having much credibility but oh well. Lets keep up the good attitudes DPC'ers :) |
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11/24/2006 04:42:45 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by mnphotoblogger:
If you think the photo you entered is great then don't necessarily stop liking it if it didn't score hight on DPC. |
Bingo. If you want to learn to appeal to the bulk of voters, then pay attention to what wins and try to shoot that. In contrast, if you're curious what voters think of your unique view of the world, then shoot what you like and accept what the voters say.
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11/24/2006 05:42:12 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
then shoot what you like and accept what the voters say. |
Thats just it I was saying it would be constructive to hear the criticism. Which its not happening.
Started at 4.9 down to 4.4
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11/24/2006 05:49:30 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by Darkend_Sword:
Originally posted by levyj413:
then shoot what you like and accept what the voters say. |
Thats just it I was saying it would be constructive to hear the criticism. Which its not happening.
Started at 4.9 down to 4.4 |
Yep, it's hard to ever get enough feedback on your own shots.
Instead, go look at the low-scoring shots from lots of challenges. That's what I did. You'll start seeing common themes about focus, distracting elements, exposure control, composition, etc.
You'll also see that, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, a lot of times we know about the setup, but it fails to come through in the photo. For example, in my faceless portrait entry, I thought I'd blurred the background enough to make it separate from the subject. But at least one commenter took the time to say nope, not enough.
Also, after challenges are over, post a note in the "individual photograph discussion" forum. Explain that you're looking for feedback, not complaining about your score. I've usually netted a few comments every time I've done that.
Once you get those basics down, then it's just a question of whether your vision matches the "average" of the visions among DPC users.
Whatever you do, keep going despite DPC scores. :) It's just one community.
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11/24/2006 05:53:35 PM · #205 |
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11/24/2006 10:36:43 PM · #206 |
What is perspective? In a general sense it can be you opinion or more specifically how your experience and pre-conceived notions affect you opinion. From this persective all photos reflect the perspective of the photographer, but that's not what this challenge is about.
Perspective can also refer to the actual point of view. In this case the actual position, angle of the camera and focal length of the lens. For example, a bird's-eye view may provide a dramatic perspective. Many photos in the challenge appear to based on this definition using a camera angel either above or below the subject. I think this may be part of what this challenge is about.
IMHO the challenge to "use perspective to create a dramatic effect" means perspecitive as defined roughly as all of the visual clues in a two dimensional image that allow us to understand the depth and relationships of objects near and far in the three-dimensional world. These include relative size, vanishing points, light, shadow, haze etc. depth of field etc.
What's your perspective? |
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11/25/2006 12:43:25 AM · #207 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
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Whatever you do, keep going despite DPC scores. :) It's just one community. |
Thank you for taking the time to give a few hints. I plan on sticking around, just became a member!! Yay! As far as comments go I do take all into consideration but only if there is something to go off. But hey I am taking what I can. Thanks again. Back up the 4.5
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11/25/2006 06:38:16 AM · #208 |
Right now I have my 5th best score working (postcard) and my 5th worst score working (perspective). Pretty cool since I have over 80 challenges entered.
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11/25/2006 07:21:46 AM · #209 |
made it back up a little.
6.333 now. |
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11/25/2006 09:25:25 AM · #210 |
Votes: 117
Views: 191
Avg Vote: 6.2624
Comments: 10
Favorites: 1
Nice comments - the score doesn't seem to reflect commentors opinions, but that's okay, I LOVE my shot and will likely be ordering a BIG print of it! :)
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11/25/2006 01:50:55 PM · #211 |
Votes: 117
Views: 162
Avg Vote: 6.4359
ok, happy with that! should make it into top20.
Looking forward to see which one is yours, ipnic. |
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11/25/2006 02:26:50 PM · #212 |
Votes: 117
Views: 144
Avg Vote: 6.3248
Comments: 5
I'm delighted! It's even going up somewhat.
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11/25/2006 02:32:41 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Right now I have my 5th best score working (postcard) and my 5th worst score working (perspective). |
At the beginning of October, I got my 2nd best and 2nd worst the same week. Of course, I've managed to get two lower scores since.
But this week I'm getting a new 2nd-best in postcard, and if perspective keeps climbing, it might even end up 3rd. It'd be pretty cool to drop my current 2nd-best to 4th in one week!
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11/25/2006 05:54:11 PM · #214 |
Its trying to jump over to 6.2 lol come on i want a new pic on my front page ahh crap needs to be over 6.3 *Crosses fingers*
Message edited by author 2006-11-25 17:54:37.
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11/25/2006 07:28:14 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Larus:
Ok, this has officially stopped being funny, just got the third comment from a person who just joined the site declaring it as not meeting the challenge... |
So ... by your logic, people who are new to DPC have no clue what meets a challenge?
Not sure why their newness is relevant. |
I think he is implying that people that have been here awhile are a little more lenient on "dnmc." |
Levyj413, that is exactly what I was implying, I think you are reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into my observation :) Anyway, gotten 11 comments so far and 9 of them say it doesn´t meet the challenge, well it does in my mind but what the heck, my own damn fault of not basically making sure there was no question in the voters minds it did... It´s shot at almost a 75 degree angle from a normal vantage point and I would have thought it was pretty obvious, guess I am more used to reading images and deapth of field and angles than most people.
Happy with the score compared it is an image getting DNMC flak :P wonder what it would have gotten if that wasnt the case :)
Votes: 133
Views: 236
Avg Vote: 5.1203
Comments: 11
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0 |
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11/25/2006 07:30:01 PM · #216 |
YAY 6.2222 alright come 6.3 lol
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11/26/2006 02:19:32 AM · #217 |
Originally posted by svstoltz:
What is perspective? In a general sense it can be you opinion or more specifically how your experience and pre-conceived notions affect you opinion. From this persective all photos reflect the perspective of the photographer, but that's not what this challenge is about.
Perspective can also refer to the actual point of view. In this case the actual position, angle of the camera and focal length of the lens. For example, a bird's-eye view may provide a dramatic perspective. Many photos in the challenge appear to based on this definition using a camera angel either above or below the subject. I think this may be part of what this challenge is about.
IMHO the challenge to "use perspective to create a dramatic effect" means perspecitive as defined roughly as all of the visual clues in a two dimensional image that allow us to understand the depth and relationships of objects near and far in the three-dimensional world. These include relative size, vanishing points, light, shadow, haze etc. depth of field etc.
What's your perspective? |
wow that's pretty damn good. i agree with you 100% except that my photo meets all the above criteria and is still stumbling around at 5.5 i did however nail my pre submit guess and did know going in that it had no wow and would suffer, but i didn't care and i don't now. you shouldn't either. if you haven't noticed by now the same photos show up on the dpc home page everyday, they just change a little sometimes. |
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11/26/2006 09:56:20 AM · #218 |
Votes: 131
Views: 215
Avg Vote: 6.2901
Comments: 11
Favorites: 3
Finally getting some rebound after the first day of nasty free-fall.
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11/26/2006 10:06:12 AM · #219 |
Like a feather lost from an eagle soaring high among the clouds my score has slowly and steadily lost altitude. On occassion it will encounter a thermal and briefly rise but, on the whole, its fate is sealed with an eventual kiss from mother earth, no longer so far below.
Votes: 135
Views: 202
Avg Vote: 6.0741
Comments: 8
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
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11/26/2006 10:16:36 AM · #220 |
JP, did you forget the ever-important nakedwoman/sunset/flower/cutekitten formula?
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11/26/2006 10:46:44 AM · #221 |
Originally posted by idnic:
JP, did you forget the ever-important nakedwoman/sunset/flower/cutekitten formula? |
I had strayed from the secret formula :(
That and I'm a no talent ass clown, but that's just an excuse. |
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11/26/2006 11:14:20 AM · #222 |
Still hanging out at 5.87. Still, a high-five is better than expected for this one and isn't too bad for me in general.
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11/26/2006 05:52:49 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
Originally posted by idnic:
JP, did you forget the ever-important nakedwoman/sunset/flower/cutekitten formula? |
I had strayed from the secret formula :(
That and I'm a no talent ass clown, but that's just an excuse. |
Somehow I dont believe that for one minute. However I'm still borrowing your band as I am having a decent week so far.
MattO
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11/26/2006 05:59:50 PM · #224 |
Votes: 145
Views: 200
Avg Vote: 5.4690
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 11/26/06 05:10 pm
The first score I saw was 5.72. It has been going down all week. 7 out of 8 comments say either dnmc or where's the dramatic effect? Let me tell you, this photo is loaded with a dramatic effect, only one that is caused by perspective lighting, instead of perspective compostion. |
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11/26/2006 06:30:44 PM · #225 |
Originally posted by mnphotoblogger:
Let me tell you, this photo is loaded with a dramatic effect, only one that is caused by perspective lighting, instead of perspective compostion. |
I look forward to seeing your shot at the end, because I have to admit I have no clue what perspective lighting could mean. Do you have other examples you could point to?
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