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11/07/2005 02:18:12 AM · #1 |
This was an "out of the box" and one of the more creative shots I have done, and thought it should have beaten some of my past work. I would like to know what made this one not do as well...and yes I know I got a 5.9 and a 32nd place. Just tell me what you don't like about this. Is it my wild hair or beard? Cause the only "bad" comment which I can't even call bad is that he thought the image looked too smooth and thought I used too much noise reduction...but stated he voted an 8. I'm just really tired of the same shots always doing good, if they are done well...which alot of people can shoot this shots very well (I think we all know what kind of shots those are, plenty of threads talking about this very issue) They are great images but why do they have to be in every challenge and given high regards every time...should we not start looking at other more creative shots and giving them more points for being different, and voting the overplayed subjects a point lower, or something, just to entice people to THINK, which alot of people here do and don't always get recognition for it. As long as people know they can shoot the same old tired shot, as long as they shoot it very well, and it gets a high vote in the challenge they will keep on doing it. I think the next time I see one of “these” shots I will vote on it for its photographic qualities and how it measures up to the challenge and then deduct points for it being one of “those” subjects. If others feel the same way and do something along the lines maybe we can start to see a change a not reward people for following a tutorial on how to shoot the perfect ribbon shot and duplicating it. Man I guess this has turned into a rantâ€Â¦haha. Thanks for reading and letting me vent. And try not to gang-beat me too bad.
PS---I wrote this very fast so I hope it all makes sence and not a jumbled bunch of crap.
Crap I meant to state that I really liked 2nd, 6th, 16th, 19th, and 34th...aside from 2nd I think all of them should have placed higher.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 02:23:11.
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11/07/2005 02:38:23 AM · #2 |
Sounds like you are saying something along the same lines as the Rant posted earlier this week, but you're doing so with more tact and not accusing certain people of cheating.
I pretty much agree. I get annoyed at seeing the same "formula" repeated and I tend to vote those down, but not really as a punishment for them - more like "yawn. yes it's awesome, but so are the 35 other ones just like it." I wouldn't encourage a "boycott" of sorts, but I do hope originality starts becoming a more highly weighted category in the voting formulas people use.
As far as your shot - apparently I missed voting on that one, but it did not do too bad and your problem is that some of your past work has some pretty high scores already. ;-)
-Ken |
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11/07/2005 11:06:45 AM · #3 |
I don’t think people cheat by shooting the same old subject; they are just taking the easy way out. Going down the old beaten path that has paid off for others in the past and hopefully it will do the same for them this timeâ€Â¦and what happens everyone gets WOWed over the same shot and can’t help but give it top scoring. Thus begins a cycle, which we have been in for a very long time, of people who have been taught that it pays to shoot the same thing and your chances are great appreciated to win a ribbon. The only way to not see these shots every time is for them not to do as well as they always have no matter how good they areâ€Â¦because they have lost their originality. I know that they are few photos, if any, that have not been shotâ€Â¦but we all know the shots that others and I are talking about. If we want to see a shift we have to do something, as a voter. I know some will agree and some will think I am dead wrongâ€Â¦but that has been true to any rant ever posted on DPCâ€Â¦and anywhere for that matter, you can’t have thousands of people in a group and think you are going to agree with them all. Thanks again for reading.
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11/07/2005 11:13:24 AM · #4 |
Good to vent.
I voted your entry a 5. I think it's a well executed picture that fits the challenge (ie 5). I give it one extra point for originality. But I subtract it back because overall I just don't find it appealing. While I think it's skilleld and well executed, I really don;t end up wanting to look at it for more than a few seconds. So I guess for me it's just personal preference - nothing at all wrong with the photo, the idea or the execution.
Like you, I am surprised which of my pics do a bit better and which do a bit worse (though there isn't much in the spread - they're all low LOL). The ones I like and feel should have done better always seem to be unusual ones (like my entry in this particular challenge) that clearly appeal a lot to a few but just don't appeal to most. My highest score was a picture I took specifically for DPC as I thought it was more "DPC style" - but it's one of the pictures I enjoyed least and one I find among the less appealing of my pics. I'm learning to live with that and am thankful that at least what I like appeals to a few.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 11:19:10.
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11/07/2005 11:24:27 AM · #5 |
You know why you didn't get the place you were waiting for? Because you were out of the box. That's it that's all. If I had voted in this challenge, I would have giving you an 8 (Deduct points cause I always nitpick)
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11/07/2005 11:41:11 AM · #6 |
i gave you an 8
... and i tend to agree with your rant
... i try to look at this site like a game. if playing to win - submissions should appeal to the masses. if playing for self improvement - don't worry about your score.
sometime the two match and you hit a home run ... but not usually :) |
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11/07/2005 12:15:00 PM · #7 |
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11/07/2005 12:35:02 PM · #8 |
People are like cattle; they tend to herd up in the pastures where the grazing is good.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 12:35:49.
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11/07/2005 12:49:04 PM · #9 |
Clint, you march to a different drummer...and you know what? That's perfectly OK. I thought it was a really creative and funny shot. :)
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11/07/2005 12:51:33 PM · #10 |
I liked it alot! I gave you a 9. I have been around for a little while on this site, and have since given up trying to understand the voters. Just keep shooting what you want, how you want to, and take pride in your work. Good job!
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11/07/2005 01:08:07 PM · #11 |
It shouldn't be surprising that people like pretty pictures. Whatever you submit it has to be technically flawless to do much better than you did in this challenge when the competition is so good, and there are some flaws here.
The blacks are blocky, so you loose detail in the shirt and hair. Whether it is the plastic of the frames, or the DOF, the frames look slightly soft, like they are just out of focus. As a guess I would assume it is the type of plastic in the frames, that just won't give a crisp edge, but it hurts the shot either way.
The title four eyes leaves me wanting to see four eyes, which you could easily enough have done, bringing the glasses slightly lower to have a direct view of your eyes, which would have helped the echo in the lenses. I don't really think you got hit with an out of the box penalty, as this concept has been used here a few times before and is generally well recived. The second place shot uses the basic concept with a new twist and got hit with very few inexplicable ones and twos. I have even taken a hack at the idea.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 13:08:37. |
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11/07/2005 01:33:51 PM · #12 |
I agree with Bennan's assessment. If you want to think out of the box, you need to be technically flawless. It can be a heady place to live, but it takes work to stay there. I'm usually chicken to make that journey, but possibly that is to my detriment.
I gave it an 8 though... |
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11/07/2005 07:31:53 PM · #13 |
I really do appreciate everyone’s comments on my shot. When I wrote this thread it quickly became more about that larger scheme of things and how there is a definite formula to win a ribbonâ€Â¦in being you choose one of the overplayed shots but you have to shoot it very well. There is still skill in making the shot good, the only thing is it’s a tired shot and losing, if not lost, it’s appeal with me and I know many others. I do believe that any ribbon shot could be sold for a profit either to an individual or as a stock photo. This site is about growing and seeing new and different ideasâ€Â¦I wish we would reward people for doing that instead of rewarding people for regurgitating a shot seen many times. When I talk about being creative and getting rewarded for it I do not mean myself, even though I try; there are a lot more creative people here than me and they don’t get enough credit for it.
PS ~~~ My title for the photo “Attack of 4-Eyes” was not to be directed at the guy, actually me, but was intended to mean the person wearing the glasses. In this case you can’t see anyone wearing the glasses it was supposed to be more first person, I know this is a international site and some might not catch my meaning but that is a name that people that wear glasses get called, when they are in 2nd grade, “Four Eyes”. I usually always screw up my shots with trying to put a title on them...I might just put numbers from now on. I taped the glasses to the lens and doing that made them too close to focus on even with an aperture of 22â€Â¦that is why they look soft, very sorry.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 19:36:53.
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11/07/2005 07:39:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by TomFoolery:
PS ~~~ My title for the photo “Attack of 4-Eyes” was not to be directed at the guy, actually me, but was intended to mean the person wearing the glasses. In this case you can’t see anyone wearing the glasses it was supposed to be more first person, |
Ah! now I see it. I thought the person up against the wall was wearing the glasses. I totally misunderstood the perspective.
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11/07/2005 07:44:43 PM · #15 |
shooting the same subject over & over is actually a great way to learn how to take better pictures. consider the old saying - learn from your mistakes. well with each attempt photographing a similar subject or situation you are likely to find more and more smaller mistakes that are correctable. in the end the photo results will get better and better.
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 19:46:12.
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