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09/13/2005 05:17:33 AM · #76 |
Hooray - No crow after all. It WAS a different rock!
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ok...I was right on the Zoomdak comments and a different photog's photo, still not sure about whether it's the same rock or not (same beach it appears). |
Yes, it's the same beach, but it's not Haystack rock. It's actually a much smaller rock on the opposite end of the beach. |
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09/13/2005 07:30:29 AM · #77 |
| What's a ribbon, I can't seem to understand the term. Ribbon? I must need some buddies too! :) |
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09/13/2005 01:33:44 PM · #78 |
With this one,
and a few others, i won everything anywhere I sent it so far. On all other sites people went mad over it. Even last week I recived comments on it on usefilm even tho I uploaded it more than a year ago. Even here in DPC 32 people has it in theyr favorites (same as the yellow ribbon and more than any of the top 10 entries other than the first 3) and 41 comments, all favorable, yet, it only finished on 65'th place... The foto that won in that particular challenge, is a nice one I don't want to say it is not a good pic. But IMO it has nohing special except that it is Heida's. Even a few comments state that during challenge. And watch how even tho the image is not really Heida's recognizable style, many people managed to recognize her, or adress her in Icelandic during challenge?
Isn't this weird? I'm not saying at all that Heida's shot is a bad one. Just that nobody spoke my name during challenge nor I have comments in Romnian and I strongly belive that's the only reason why it didn't made it to atleast top 10.
Edit: actualy I just noticed one person mentioning my name during challenge but that's because the image was in best of 2004 challenge and I used to have it in my portfolio before.
Message edited by author 2005-09-13 13:46:38. |
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09/13/2005 01:58:25 PM · #79 |
Looking at that challenge, I see some truly stunning images
And going all the way down the first few pages there are photos I think are better.
Even photos that did worse than yours seem far more interesting to me.
   
I think you'll just have to accept that tastes differ, and that it isn't anyone elses fault.
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09/13/2005 02:07:23 PM · #80 |
frumoaznicul, yes it is a rich lush shot, but it is the sort of shot that would display well big and somewhere where you could see all the nuances that seem to be here. Your shot is classical photography, very well done.
But would it make a good newpaer shot? given the degridation of cheap inks and worse paper lacking the details and rich tones, is the shot still superior? Each media outlet for a shot carry different assumptions as to what makes a work superior, and there is no style or image that can trancend all the possible methods of viewing.
Those on the site who have a particular style tend to be rewarded with ribbons, and oddly they tend to be very generous with the details of how they achive their look, pulling up others into familiarty with the ways to get their look.
This is primarly a learning site, and in painting students are ( or where ) forced to copy masterpeices of the old school. Librodo does well with his delicate scarved portraits, so peolpe do similar work. This is as it should be, we are all students here, looking into new ways of working.
There are no prizes, no ones child will go hungry based upon who wins a ribbon whose only reality is a few pixels on a cathode ray tube. Your work is lovely. So is Manny's. Most of us are here to learn from people with mature styles. Please remember what Churchill said about democracy and the poular vote, It is a terible system, but the best one we have come up with yet.
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09/13/2005 02:09:06 PM · #81 |
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09/13/2005 02:09:15 PM · #82 |
| zarniwoop can you post the three ribbon winners from that challenge? |
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09/13/2005 02:15:51 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
There are no prizes, no ones child will go hungry based upon who wins a ribbon whose only reality is a few pixels on a cathode ray tube. Your work is lovely. So is Manny's. Most of us are here to learn from people with mature styles. Please remember what Churchill said about democracy and the poular vote, It is a terible system, but the best one we have come up with yet. |
Churchil was so right, and you are right, there is no price nothing but a symbolic ribbon, but that makes it even more pathetic. If there was a prize I would shut up and try to do the same myself.
My point is that when almost all winners on this site are NOT anonymous and ARE recognized as most popular people on the site, can I have doubts about if they as person get that symbolic award or the images? And if that's so I ask everyone what's the point for it anymore? I'll kindly step aside and let them play alone.
edit: I forgot to answer this:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Those on the site who have a particular style tend to be rewarded with ribbons, and oddly they tend to be very generous with the details of how they achive their look, pulling up others into familiarty with the ways to get their look. |
Well I must say my real job is a painting teacher, even if I don't practice, if I would I would tell my students as my profesors told me not to ever do that. Never ever. Reasons are that no artist is perfect and you copy theyr mistakes and add them to your own, and also it is verry bad for developing an artistic identity of your own. It's ok to exercise with that every now and then but it is verry dangerous to make it a habbit.
Message edited by author 2005-09-13 14:35:31. |
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09/13/2005 02:18:34 PM · #84 |
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09/13/2005 02:25:10 PM · #85 |
And the fact that glad2bdad posted this in the Rant forum, completely beyound my understanding, I thought stuff like this can be discussed in a civilised manner in other parts of the forum, but that's maybe just me. The reason why at first I didn't want to comment here.
Message edited by author 2005-09-13 14:26:21. |
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09/13/2005 02:32:24 PM · #86 |
I think the ribbon winners here deserve their ribbons, and I think that a lot of this talk about winning because of a recognizeable style is just plain jealousy. I think people like Heida and Librodo and others would win ribbons whether we recognize their styles or not, they're just plain good at what they do.
So .... IMO, get a life guys!
[DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion, not an official SC opinion]
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09/13/2005 02:34:51 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by ursula:
I think the ribbon winners here deserve their ribbons, and I think that a lot of this talk about winning because of a recognizeable style is just plain jealousy. I think people like Heida and Librodo and others would win ribbons whether we recognize their styles or not, they're just plain good at what they do.
So .... IMO, get a life guys!
[DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion, not an official SC opinion] |
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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09/13/2005 02:35:38 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by ursula:
I think the ribbon winners here deserve their ribbons, and I think that a lot of this talk about winning because of a recognizeable style is just plain jealousy. I think people like Heida and Librodo and others would win ribbons whether we recognize their styles or not, they're just plain good at what they do.
So .... IMO, get a life guys!
[DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion, not an official SC opinion] |
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion. |
Yeah, isn't that nice?
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09/13/2005 02:38:12 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by ursula:
I think the ribbon winners here deserve their ribbons, and I think that a lot of this talk about winning because of a recognizeable style is just plain jealousy. I think people like Heida and Librodo and others would win ribbons whether we recognize their styles or not, they're just plain good at what they do.
So .... IMO, get a life guys!
[DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion, not an official SC opinion] |
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion. |
Sure, pitty it's a blind one, while I tried to argument mine with clear odd examples as best as I could. But that's how some people have opinions of theyr own, based on nothing. |
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09/13/2005 02:38:21 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
My point is that when almost all winners on this site are NOT anonymous and ARE recognized as most popular people on the site, |
Perhaps my eye is not as decerning as most but I can spot maybey ten photographers style about half the time they post. But to stay with Librodo because I used him as an example before, his third place shot in the last challenge was to my eye not his usual style, If I always gave him a two or less I would have missed the identifying signs on that one. Same with Heida's nude entry.
There are, I am sure fans, who vote Heida's stuff up, but not because they like her, they don't even know her. They like her images. Some people vote her stuff below three, and I would bet it is because they don't like her style. Look at the archive, most of the ribbon winners have one or two ribbons, and the most successfull ribbon winners finish out of the ribbons in most challenges they enter.
OK if Laurie sais the horse is dead, ill stop kicking it
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09/13/2005 02:43:55 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
OK if Laurie sais the horse is dead, ill stop kicking it |
It is so dead... ok. |
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09/13/2005 02:44:13 PM · #92 |
I don't think Cristi's post is a result of jealousy...he has little to be jealous of as he's an incredible photographer and he knows this which is why he's perplexed that others are winning ribbons.
I'm not sure why this is, either, but I don't think it's because of a "plan" or "cheating", Cristi. It's just the way it is. I think most water drop shots are lame and I've seen enough spider webs with dew or burnt clouds but a lot of people like that stuff on this site. This site is looking for flawless images, images that you would find in a Cosmopolitan ad rather than ei8ht magazine... |
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09/13/2005 02:50:09 PM · #93 |
Because at some point I figured it would get moved there...perhaps I was wrong. I was really trying to buy some SC brownie points and forgoe them the extra work. ;^)
Actually - Based on the forum description this seemed like the best place for me to put it.
Forum Description:
Rant
Sometimes it's good to vent. This section is now moderated.
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
And the fact that glad2bdad posted this in the Rant forum, completely beyound my understanding, I thought stuff like this can be discussed in a civilised manner in other parts of the forum, but that's maybe just me. The reason why at first I didn't want to comment here. |
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09/13/2005 02:51:04 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by ursula:
I think the ribbon winners here deserve their ribbons, and I think that a lot of this talk about winning because of a recognizeable style is just plain jealousy. I think people like Heida and Librodo and others would win ribbons whether we recognize their styles or not, they're just plain good at what they do.
So .... IMO, get a life guys!
[DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion, not an official SC opinion] |
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion. |
Sure, pitty it's a blind one, while I tried to argument mine with clear odd examples as best as I could. But that's how some people have opinions of theyr own, based on nothing. |
Well, it's good to know I'm entitled to my blind opinion :))))
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09/13/2005 02:52:23 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I'm not sure why this is, either, but I don't think it's because of a "plan" or "cheating", Cristi. |
I am not saying the cheating is planned eyther, could be but I'm not saying that. But take this situation, you and I will become verry close pals from now, after a while I will have you on my YM, and sometime I will send you my entry before the challenge to tell me what you think, before I enter it. Multiply that with many other people I could become friends with that way. Let's ask everyone, how many DPC people have they on theyr list? I have 1. From this point I doubt any of those people will vote the image. I'm not saying the photographer specificaly asks his palls to vote.
I think the only way this could be called a fair contest is if it didn't had a forum at all. The only way friendships could not be made.
As I said it several other times I have no problem with the recognizable styles or better say people who take the same picture over and over again. That's theyr problem and theyr choice to give up imagination for ribbbons. |
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09/13/2005 02:54:49 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Well, it's good to know I'm entitled to my blind opinion :)))) |
Sure, everyone is. :)) |
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09/13/2005 04:23:16 PM · #97 |
I don't think posting a mid-60's-finishing image from "Best of 2004" is the best illustration of your point, Frumoaznicul. That shot scored in the 6.4 range, which would be good enough to place it in top 20 easily and often top 10 in a normal, weekly challenge. Almost HALF your votes were seven or higher. The image received EXCELLENT scores.
NO challenge has a higher proportion of really impressive, striking images than a "best of year" challenge. And it's the nature of the voting in this site that striking, appealing, "wow" images do better, in the main, than more introspective, darker shots like yours. That's just the way it is. I've made any number of images that I consider to be excellent photographs that fall below the middle of the pack, sometimes way in the bottom, because they don't have mass appeal.
Likewise, your commenting to how you have received more favorites for this image is really neither here nor there, because nearly all the favorites came AFTER the voting ended, and the number of them in any case is not out of proportion to the number of very high scores you received.
I understand the point you're making in your posts to this thread (though I don't agree with it) but I don't understand how this particular example proves a blessed thing except that in the "Best of 2004" challenge there were a HELL of a lot of stunning, high-scoring images.
Robt.
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09/13/2005 04:28:13 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sher9204:
...this place just isn't the same as it used to be. |
I believe it IS mostly the same. There's a relatively new and vocal minority spreading bad feelings, and perhaps a few old-timers who inevitably agree with the complaint du jour. Underneath it all we're still the same happy bunch, and this will pass. ;-) |
That would be great if it were NOT the same place as it used to be! Imagine remaining the same forever! How unbelieveably boring! Every picture striving for the Neatimage look, I can sharpen more than you and a photograph must look like THIS (what we do!). What lunacy is this........But I guess, after it all and when it has passed, you will be a happy group as usual! I think I'm going to be sick.................. |
actually, i was referring to the incredible amout of pissing and moaning that goes on in the forums lately.
the photos that win ribbons do so because the majority of the voters think they should. it doesn't matter at all the amount of favs you get here or the rave reviews you might get at other sites. if you're entering a pic in a challenge here then you have to accept that people at different sites have different preferences in art. that's just the way it is. if you're looking to sell your work, it's not gonna matter how many awards and ribbons you have pinned to it, if people don't like it, they're not gonna buy it.
so, do you produce art that only you and a small handful of people will like or do you give the majority what they want and produce art for the masses. that's a decision that only you can make. berating people that have made the opposite choise as you, though, won't make people suddenly look at your work and say, "oh wow! what was i thinking?!? this person must be a TRUE artist!"
all this b*tching over a little blue, red or yellow GIF is just silly, IMO.
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09/13/2005 04:32:28 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
all this b*tching over a little blue, red or yellow GIF is just silly, IMO. |
I swear, when I came here a year ago the exact same discussions were taking place. And at that time, people were saying "it's just not the same anymore". I could be wrong, but that's what I remember... |
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09/13/2005 04:37:07 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
...when I came here a year ago the exact same discussions were taking place. And at that time, people were saying "it's just not the same anymore". |
See? It IS the same! |
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