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09/03/2005 12:05:20 AM · #129

Originally posted by deapee:

India and China are nothing. One bomb pretty much takes care of both of those places.

Please give me some small measure of comfort by telling me that you find voting a waste of time and you can't be bothered.

Message edited by author 2005-09-03 00:05:48.

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

09/03/2005 12:06:24 AM · #130

Originally posted by deapee:

Where would Canada be without the US?

Where it's always been?

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

09/03/2005 12:10:37 AM · #131

Originally posted by deapee:

India and China are nothing? How do I even begin to address such ignorance?

You really need to do your research and gain a global perspective if you wish to argue intelligently.

For example, this whole chapter of your rant started on the initial assumption that no international aid had been offered...something that is completely false and should lead you to wonder whether a lot of the things you believe are incorrect.

Message edited by author 2005-09-03 00:11:47.

MadMordegon

09/03/2005 12:46:39 AM · #132

Holy.. Deapee I suggest you take some time and read up on those countries you say are nothing.

China
India
and
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Message edited by author 2005-09-03 00:47:55.

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

09/03/2005 12:49:46 AM · #133

"I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared."
-James Lee Witt (former director of FEMA under President Clinton)

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

09/03/2005 12:53:52 AM · #134

I'd like to ask you all a question.

Do you personally believe the delay is somehow related to the fact that most residents in need of evacuation are black and/or poor?

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/03/2005 01:27:01 AM · #135

The US government has received offers of assistance from the following countries: Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the United Nations.

Note: Venezuela has offered humanitarian aid and oil, and Citgo, a Venezuelan company, has given one million dollars.

Bush: "I'm not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn't asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country's going to rise up and take care of it."

Bush again: "You know, we would love help, but we're going to take care of our own business as well, and there's no doubt in my mind we'll succeed. And there's no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city."

DefyTime

Canon EOS-7D

09/03/2005 04:58:39 AM · #136

No I think a big reason for the delay is that the volunteers fear their lives...or they did because of the small minority of scum that are rapping murdering there fellow people, also shooting at the police and other people who are trying to help them. That was the case but I believe martial law has taken effect and they have orders to shoot to kill, which should have been ordered a few days ago. I'm not talking about shooting anyone just the animals with guns that threaten other innocent people. Hopefully the worst is over and we will be able to get everyone out soon. God be with them all.

elderell

Fujifilm FinePix S5000 Z

09/03/2005 07:34:45 AM · #137

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

I'd like to ask you all a question.

Do you personally believe the delay is somehow related to the fact that most residents in need of evacuation are black and/or poor?

Some reports tend to be slanted in that direction..It stands to reason that the majority of people who didn't/couldn't evacuate were those who had no means--the poor,the sick,the elderly..My personal opinion:Absolutely not-it's just a matter of piss-poor planning..

Travis99

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/03/2005 08:19:24 AM · #138

Yeah, I mean it does take a while to organize troops and supplys, and then transport them. But the fact is we should a Military base with troops standing by with food and water and all kinds of supply, Have them waiting just in case somthing happens. That way we can be there in 1 day instead of 5 days.

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

09/03/2005 08:30:27 AM · #139

Bush turned down the offer of other countries to come in and help. Canada's military offered and even went ahead and got things ready just in case Bush changed his mind. But Bush with his pride wouldn't have it to say that another country had to come in and help take up the slack created because he was off conquering the rest of the world. Do you really think those poor people care who's troops help rescue them?

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

09/03/2005 09:23:25 AM · #140

Accepting help from other countries would make the Bush administration appear weak to a number of its supporters, though it may be that the ball is now moving quickly enough that extra help would be almost superfluous by the time gets there. Of course, I'm writing this safely from my apartment in Chicago. I don't know the true situation and needs on the ground in those areas affected.

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

09/03/2005 09:39:17 AM · #141

Hooray Kanye.

09/03/2005 09:43:32 AM · #142

60 foreign countries in total have now offered aid and support for the victims of Katrina, including Cuba and Venezuela.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) had listed the three most likely catastrophic events that could possibly hit the US. A terrorist attack on NYC, an earthquake to San Francisco, and a hurricane to New Orleans. This event was not unexpected so why was there such a poor response on the part of the federal government? Where was their urgency in expediting the rescue in a timely manner? Incompetence? They don't believe in these types of government services? Or they just don't give a shit?

If the Bush administration can't get it right when dealing with their own people, then how can we trust them to do it right with other countries and cultures?

Message edited by author 2005-09-03 09:45:11.

frychikn

Olympus C-5050Z

09/03/2005 09:46:54 AM · #143

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

I'd like to ask you all a question.

Do you personally believe the delay is somehow related to the fact that most residents in need of evacuation are black and/or poor?

I knew somebody would bring this up. My only surprise is that it took four days.

Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

09/03/2005 10:00:00 AM · #144

Originally posted by frychikn:

I knew somebody would bring this up. My only surprise is that it took four days.

Well, it is a subject of conversation among a lot of those actually going through the crises -- many poor and many black. You do know that, correct? Is it wrong of thatcloudthere to point out a discussion that's already taking place?

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

09/03/2005 10:08:09 AM · #145

Originally posted by milo655321:

And again I have to ask, do you think this matters to those directly affected by this catastrophy?

I'll say one thing, to their credit though, they have the right man in charge down there now in General Honore. He doesn't take no chit. Too bad him and his troops couldn't have been mobilized sooner. The adminisration still has to answer for that.

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

09/03/2005 10:17:19 AM · #146

Originally posted by deapee:

India and China are nothing. One bomb pretty much takes care of both of those places.

omfg.

that's really all i can think of to say.

deapee

Kodak V803

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/03/2005 10:20:10 AM · #147

Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by deapee:
India and China are nothing. One bomb pretty much takes care of both of those places.

omfg.

that's really all i can think of to say.

Might wanna either add something of use, or stay out of the conversation ;) ... omfg doesn't cut it.

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

09/03/2005 10:25:23 AM · #148

if you'd actually care to read the entire thread, you'll see that i've put many thoughtful positions into the conversation.

and since when is insulting and deriding almost a quarter of the world's population considered valuable input?

it's attitudes like that that make me completely ashamed to be an american at times...moreso lately than ever. we live in a GLOBAL economy now. for you to just think we can immediately write off ties to other countries is an immature and uninformed opinion that i can't even begin to comprehend.

hence, "omfg." i think that sums it up quite well. if you can't even understand how idiotic it is to think that we can just indiscriminantly bomb other countries (or that your world view is so ridiculously infantile that you think "one bomb" would take care of them), then there's really not much point in debating anything with you at all.

saracat

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

09/03/2005 10:25:50 AM · #149

Originally posted by Travis99:

Somehow I don't really think the majority of Americans would appreciate having to spend their tax dollars to fund this and keep it going. Not that I think it's a bad idea, I just don't think it would work.

My feelings are that if something like this did get established specifically for natural disasters (or man made ones), nothing disaster-wise would happen for a while, people would get tired of paying for it, demand that it be closed, then a disater would happen, and we'd be right back to where we are now, pointing fingers at politicians and wondering why we're not getting any/enough/timely help.