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08/31/2005 11:16:34 PM · #76
Originally posted by laurielblack:

I am positive more major corporations will be stepping up to the plate as well in the next few days and weeks.

Right you are. Some other examples, just thru Wednesday: $2 million cash and at least $2 million in nutritional and medical products from Abbot Laboratories, $5 million from Chevron Corp., $3 million each from JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup, $2 million from Pfizer and $1 million from State Farm Insurance, $2.5 million from the Walt Disney Co., 50 trucks donated by Nissan North America, more than 825,000 cans of water supplied by Anheuser-Busch, 3,000 walkie talkie-type phones for emergency personnel from Sprint Nextel Corp. seven truckloads of crackers and cookies from the Kellogg Co., 25 cars and trucks from General Motors Corp., 2,000 long-distance calling cards plus $230,000 from Qwest Communications International Inc., cash and manpower from Home Depot and Lowe's, five truckloads of water from Culligan International, and $1 million from Office Depot in addition to the complete contents of their 5 New Orleans retail stores ( valued at $4 million ).

Full article: here
08/31/2005 11:33:24 PM · #77
Originally posted by RonB:


Right you are.


Big and small.

Just the local Houston radio sports show got 35k for Red Cross this morning. And all of them are doing it.

And of coarse I made my own.

Its just heartbreaking that an entire city as wonderful as NO was taken out. Of course 100 s of other cities have also been effected and many almost just as bad.

Message edited by author 2005-08-31 23:37:11.
09/01/2005 12:37:31 AM · #78
Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by laurielblack:

I am positive more major corporations will be stepping up to the plate as well in the next few days and weeks.

Right you are. Some other examples, just thru Wednesday: $2 million cash and at least $2 million in nutritional and medical products from Abbot Laboratories, $5 million from Chevron Corp., $3 million each from JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup, $2 million from Pfizer and $1 million from State Farm Insurance, $2.5 million from the Walt Disney Co., 50 trucks donated by Nissan North America, more than 825,000 cans of water supplied by Anheuser-Busch, 3,000 walkie talkie-type phones for emergency personnel from Sprint Nextel Corp. seven truckloads of crackers and cookies from the Kellogg Co., 25 cars and trucks from General Motors Corp., 2,000 long-distance calling cards plus $230,000 from Qwest Communications International Inc., cash and manpower from Home Depot and Lowe's, five truckloads of water from Culligan International, and $1 million from Office Depot in addition to the complete contents of their 5 New Orleans retail stores ( valued at $4 million ).

Full article: here


Not to mention the $1 million from Wal-Mart and all the Fed-Ex Custom Critical drivers on standby to help where needed...


09/01/2005 05:35:26 AM · #79
Originally posted by theSaj:

Some of "LegalBeagle"'s recent posts lead me to research why we don't have 55mpg diesel minivans. ...

So it gets frustrated when you're condemned and made to be some sort of evil person (or a part of a larger evil whole) because you don't drive a 55 mpg car that's not available in your country because your country is endeavoring to reduce emissions of pollutants.


Jason - do not take things so personally. In the context of posts suggesting that it should be possible to take cars from the 1960s and make them more efficient, I pointed out that there are many models that did so. And then shock that none of them appear to be sold on the US market. I was not condemning you or any other citizen of the US, merely the system. It is an example of how the system might be changed to improve the planet. As a US citizen, you have more power than me to change that system. I can only petition my government to stand up to the US on broader climate issues.

As for your question on British and Commonwealth troops in the war in the Far East, I believe that there were 300,000+ Commonwealth troops fighting, principally in Burma. More fought to defend China and Hong Kong. The fighting was in defence of Commonwealth lands & people, and in support of the Allied effort generally.

The war in the Far East was the longest campaign fought by the British in the Second World War. Remote from the experience of the British people it became known as the Forgotten War and the troops who fought in it as the Forgotten Army.

I am not seriously suggesting that the British & Commonwealth offensive against the Japanese was responsible for the US success in the Phillipines etc, nor for preventing a successful Japanese invasion of the US (there are far too many variables resulting in absurdities to realistically consider the position). My point is that, it could be said that, absent British Commonwealth opposition, Japan would have taken a substantial part of Indo-China and would have been a significant world-power and a serious opponent for the US. Absent British scientific support, the US would not have developed the atomic bomb. The US could have lost that war. But we do not go around crowing how we saved the Far East (or even Europe), or were crucial to the US war effort in the Pacific (though I admit that we do occasionally complain that the US takes credit for winning a war it joined only half way through). And it is certainly sufficiently historic that we do not keep on bringing up WWII in discussions about modern politics.
09/01/2005 08:42:40 PM · #80
Sorry, that came out wrong....

That post actually made me look into why. And I actually thought you addressed that well. (I should have broken those two sentences up a bit more.)

A lot of times there are reasons. Sometimes there are not. Sometimes it just feels like it's unrelenting condemnation and attacks. It's sometimes hard not to take it personally. When it seems where ever you go there are dozens of threads on countless forums where "America is evil" "Damn those stupid Americans" "All the fault of them there brainwashed christians"

I mean, there's only so much of that before you become defensive. Before you lose sight of the pacific. And right now, America is going thru a personal crisis. What's going on in New Orleans and the surrounding area is taking a toll on many of us. It's a small portion acting as animals but they're costing the lives of many innoncents.

:(

My heart is so heavy right now.....I don't even want to address the matters. I just want to cry.

09/01/2005 08:56:32 PM · #81
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Message edited by author 2005-09-01 20:59:58.
09/01/2005 09:06:08 PM · #82
Originally posted by saracat:

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by laurielblack:

I am positive more major corporations will be stepping up to the plate as well in the next few days and weeks.

Right you are. Some other examples, just thru Wednesday: $2 million cash and at least $2 million in nutritional and medical products from Abbot Laboratories, $5 million from Chevron Corp., $3 million each from JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Citigroup, $2 million from Pfizer and $1 million from State Farm Insurance, $2.5 million from the Walt Disney Co., 50 trucks donated by Nissan North America, more than 825,000 cans of water supplied by Anheuser-Busch, 3,000 walkie talkie-type phones for emergency personnel from Sprint Nextel Corp. seven truckloads of crackers and cookies from the Kellogg Co., 25 cars and trucks from General Motors Corp., 2,000 long-distance calling cards plus $230,000 from Qwest Communications International Inc., cash and manpower from Home Depot and Lowe's, five truckloads of water from Culligan International, and $1 million from Office Depot in addition to the complete contents of their 5 New Orleans retail stores ( valued at $4 million ).

Full article: here


Not to mention the $1 million from Wal-Mart and all the Fed-Ex Custom Critical drivers on standby to help where needed...


Mary Kay Inc. has pledged 1 million
09/01/2005 09:10:05 PM · #83
Please look at these articles for info on global support for Katrina's victims:
Miami Herald

CBS News - very informative

The world is offering aid. It will simply be a matter of time (due to impossible and unfathomable conditions) before some of these (if not all) are accepted.
09/01/2005 09:16:01 PM · #84
And before anyone starts blaming the politicians for the slow influx of aid from foreign countries:

FOX News - Rice says US will accept all offers of aid

Hopefully this will help clear up any confusion over why we are or are not being offered/receiving aid for this disaster.
09/01/2005 09:20:31 PM · #85
To those nations lending aid, resources and strong support & condolences....

THANK YOU!!!

09/01/2005 09:30:31 PM · #86
More short comings because of ridiculous spending by our government. LA is also missing 35% (3,000) of its National Guard because they are deployed in Iraq. New Orleans could sure use that trained manpower to help this looting and loss of control situations.

Accountability has been missing from all main stream news sources.
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers: Funding Shortfall Jeopardizes New Orleans Flood Control
09/01/2005 09:36:25 PM · #87
Originally posted by MadMordegon:

More short comings because of ridiculous spending by our government. LA is also missing 35% (3,000) of its National Guard because they are deployed in Iraq. New Orleans could sure use that trained manpower to help this looting and loss of control situations.

Accountability has been missing from all main stream news sources.
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers: Funding Shortfall Jeopardizes New Orleans Flood Control


And LA (and MS and AL) are getting help from National Guard units from other states. It is, after all, the National Guard, not the State Guard (which is an entirely different organization).
09/01/2005 10:16:24 PM · #88
They could have used all the troops possible, from day 1.

Louisiana wants 40,000 troops

Relief workers confront 'urban warfare'

The National Guard should be in its nation.
09/01/2005 10:40:31 PM · #89


Well from what I could research, there are approx 50,000 National guard in Iraq, Kuwait, & Afghanistan. And about 100,000 activated in total abroad and at home.

//www.truthout.org/docs_04/121804F.shtml

The Air National Guard has more than 106,000 personnel and the Army National Guard (ARNG) around 350,000 personnel (2001).

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard

So in 2001 there were 450,000 in the National Guard. Even if we were to more than halve that number to only 200,000.

So subtract the 50,000 abroad and you are left with 400,000 (if we're at 2001 levels) and 150,000 if you more than halve it. That's still way way more than your 44,000.
09/02/2005 12:50:44 PM · #90
National Geograhpic article from 2004 predicting this would happend.. The Louisiana bayou, hardest working marsh in America, is in big trouble—with dire consequences for residents, the nearby city of New Orleans

It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy, the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash Wednesday.

But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however—the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party.

The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level—more than eight feet below in places—so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it.

Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.

When did this calamity happen? It hasn't—yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great.
Continue reading...
09/02/2005 12:56:06 PM · #91
GREAT article. thanks!

this map is exactly what i've been talking about: //205.188.130.53/ngm/0410/feature5/map.html
09/02/2005 12:58:52 PM · #92
Originally posted by saracat:

And before anyone starts blaming the politicians for the slow influx of aid from foreign countries:

FOX News - Rice says US will accept all offers of aid

Hopefully this will help clear up any confusion over why we are or are not being offered/receiving aid for this disaster.


An honest question (remember, I'm neutral)...Is this an indication that other country's leaders had a better idea of the devestation caused than the White House did until very very recently (today)?

It just seems that your Federal Government was oblivious to the hell that is going on down there....
09/02/2005 01:06:24 PM · #93
well, condi didn't know what was going on. she was buying $1000 shoes and going to a broadway show.
09/02/2005 01:09:00 PM · #94
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

An honest question (remember, I'm neutral)...Is this an indication that other country's leaders had a better idea of the devestation caused than the White House did until very very recently (today)?

It just seems that your Federal Government was oblivious to the hell that is going on down there....


The federal government here knew about the extent of the devastation before today. The federal government is attempting to do what it should, at the only speed at which it is able to make huge undertakings like this one...slowly. Mobilizing a massive evacuation and relief effort like this one, on our own soil, is both unprecedented and a logistical nightmare. We can all sit back and blame whomever or whatever we wish, but it won't change things. Funds have been dwindling for the levy project since the Carter administration, and the bayous have been sinking since long before that. Our government is an easy target to blame for what is or is not happening, just like it's easy to sit back and say it's all (insert your favorite scapegoat here)'s fault. Maybe FEMA should have developed a better plan before a Category 5 hurricane struck. Maybe huge warships could have been deployed to wait out the storm in Florida in the days preceding the storm. The only thing for certain is that everyone knew the big one was coming someday, and nothing anyone or any government or any president could possibly do would stop it. Mother nature knows what she's doing. She doesn't care who is president, who is building or not building a levy, or whether or not New Orleans ceases to exist.
09/02/2005 01:18:18 PM · #95
laurielblack...the reason I ask is that President Bush said a few times no outside help would be needed despite being offered by a few dozen nations...

09/02/2005 01:25:31 PM · #96
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by saracat:

And before anyone starts blaming the politicians for the slow influx of aid from foreign countries:

FOX News - Rice says US will accept all offers of aid

Hopefully this will help clear up any confusion over why we are or are not being offered/receiving aid for this disaster.


An honest question (remember, I'm neutral)...Is this an indication that other country's leaders had a better idea of the devestation caused than the White House did until very very recently (today)?

It just seems that your Federal Government was oblivious to the hell that is going on down there....


Frankly, I don't see any relation to your question and the above article that the U.S. is actually willing to receive aid on this situation.

Although not as expansive and devastating as the Tsunami which hit dozens of nations. Katrina actually affected almost the entire southeast coastline from Louisiana all the way to Florida.

This is probably akin to having the northern and eastern coastlines of Spain, Portugal and France all devastated.

This is not a single city but an entire region devestated. New Orleans is frontal in topic because it has literally become a new "Atlantis"
09/02/2005 01:27:07 PM · #97
excerpts from the previously-referenced article:

Bush told ABC-TV: "I'm not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn't asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country's going to rise up and take care of it."

"You know," he said, "we would love help, but we're going to take care of our own business as well, and there's no doubt in my mind we'll succeed. And there's no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city."


That does not say he said "Help is not needed." That says that we don't EXPECT help. There's a difference.


09/02/2005 01:42:56 PM · #98
He said "we would love help, but we're going to take care of our own business as well, and there's no doubt in my mind we'll succeed"...this was pereceived all over the world as meaning that Bush didn't think aid was needed.

See this Boston Globe article for just one example of this confusion.

Excerpt:
But despite the increasingly desperate situation on the ground, the Bush administration has sent mixed signals about whether it will take these global well-wishers up on their offers.

President Bush indicated yesterday morning that the United States had not requested foreign help and didn't need it.


That's why I ask...did Bush not realize how bad the damage was when he gave that impression (which you may not have realized) to the world?



Message edited by author 2005-09-02 13:44:34.
09/02/2005 01:46:17 PM · #99
Originally posted by theSaj:


Frankly, I don't see any relation to your question and the above article that the U.S. is actually willing to receive aid on this situation.

Although not as expansive and devastating as the Tsunami which hit dozens of nations. Katrina actually affected almost the entire southeast coastline from Louisiana all the way to Florida.

This is probably akin to having the northern and eastern coastlines of Spain, Portugal and France all devastated.

This is not a single city but an entire region devestated. New Orleans is frontal in topic because it has literally become a new "Atlantis"


I don't understand your response...I suspect you misunderstood what I was saying. I think the USA needs aid, I really do! I'm just wondering about the impression Bush gave to the world at the beginning that no aid was needed...it seems confusing and I'm wondering if it's because he didn't realize the devestation you desribed above.
09/02/2005 02:12:58 PM · #100
Originally posted by laurielblack:


The federal government here knew about the extent of the devastation before today. The federal government is attempting to do what it should, at the only speed at which it is able to make huge undertakings like this one...slowly.
Isn't it amazing that news reporters can safely get into the Superdome and Civic Center,but food supplies can't?? FIVE DAYS until a food drop is cruel,inhumane,and utterly inexcuseable !!
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