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 10/18/2004 11:07:24 AM · #26
This challenge is sucking already. :-( I know that most everyone is going to complain when scoring.

Go out, take a picture. If you like and think it meets the challenge then submit it.
 10/18/2004 11:08:40 AM · #27
So the lines have to be long now? boy!

Originally posted by flip89:
Originally posted by debitipton:
So in this photo -- the path would be an actual line but the trees growing naturally along the path are implied lines?



HELP!!!!


To me, the trees are in line, but the line is short. I think that for a challenge like this, we really need to find some formation that shows a line clearly. So in this example, if there were more trees, the line would probably be clearer to the reader.
10/18/2004 11:17:21 AM · #28
Here's my entry for the Parallel lines challenge. It got knocked a bit for not actually having any parallel lines in it, though. It might have done better in implied lines. What do you think?

10/18/2004 11:21:35 AM · #29
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Here's my entry for the Parallel lines challenge. It got knocked a bit for not actually having any parallel lines in it, though. It might have done better in implied lines. What do you think?



definitely looks like implied parallel lines to me. i'd say there'd be no problems with this one.
 10/18/2004 11:45:39 AM · #30
In trying to understand the concept of "implied line" I found the following:

//www.artsmia.org/art_in_america/glossary.html#IMPLIED%20LINE

IMPLIED LINE
A line that is visually suggested by the arrangement of forms, lights and darks, or other elements in a work of art.

//www.noteaccess.com/RELATIONSHIPS/DB.htm

TYPES OF LINES
Actual lines. May vary greatly in weight, character, or other qualities.
Implied lines. An implied line is created by positioning a series of points so that the eye tends automatically to connect them. "Dotted line." The "line" waiting for a bus.
Psychic lines. No real line, not even intermittent points, and yet we feel a line--a mental connection between the two elements. Usually occurs when something looks or points in a certain direction. Our eyes invariably follow, and a psychic line results.

//www.netphotoclasses.org/cmpstn-1.htm

The other element of line is the stated vs. the implied line. The stated line is the physical line- the fence, the line in the road, the sidewalk, etc. The implied line is that line between two elements that is not stated but there because we recognize it. This can be the glance between two people, someone looking at something, someone pointing, the direction of travel of a car, the line formed between echoing shapes, etc.

Who can restate this so we're all on the same page?
 10/18/2004 11:58:10 AM · #31
So this would fit?


I think I'm getting to grips with it now.
 10/18/2004 12:04:28 PM · #32
Do you think movement blur induced lines qualify, e.g.,

10/18/2004 12:06:49 PM · #33
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Do you think movement blur induced lines qualify, e.g.,



Not really - those are actual lines - they might not exist, but they actually exist on the photo. You've then created the lines, not implied them. In many ways motion blur lines are the exact opposite of what the challenge is about.
 10/18/2004 12:16:48 PM · #34
I really like the "connect the dots" theory stated in the definition summary about how your eye connects two or more points and sees an implied line that is not actually there. I mean, a road is already there and you can always trace the same line if you were walking along the side of it. but with implied lines, two people may see the 'line' slightly different depending on how they interpret the order & location of the points.
 10/18/2004 12:17:14 PM · #35
[quote=KaDi] The implied line is that line between two elements that is not stated but there because we recognize it. This can be the glance between two people, someone looking at something, someone pointing, the direction of travel of a car, the line formed between echoing shapes, etc.

Who can restate this so we're all on the same page? [/quot

So if that's the case then would this photos from Stopped Motion be considered an implied line?
 10/18/2004 12:23:41 PM · #36
Thanks for taking the time to dig this up!

Originally posted by KaDi:
In trying to understand the concept of "implied line" I found the following:

//www.artsmia.org/art_in_america/glossary.html#IMPLIED%20LINE

IMPLIED LINE
A line that is visually suggested by the arrangement of forms, lights and darks, or other elements in a work of art.

//www.noteaccess.com/RELATIONSHIPS/DB.htm

TYPES OF LINES

Actual lines. May vary greatly in weight, character, or other qualities.
Implied lines. An implied line is created by positioning a series of points so that the eye tends automatically to connect them. "Dotted line." The "line" waiting for a bus.
Psychic lines. No real line, not even intermittent points, and yet we feel a line--a mental connection between the two elements. Usually occurs when something looks or points in a certain direction. Our eyes invariably follow, and a psychic line results.

//www.netphotoclasses.org/cmpstn-1.htm

The other element of line is the stated vs. the implied line. The stated line is the physical line- the fence, the line in the road, the sidewalk, etc. The implied line is that line between two elements that is not stated but there because we recognize it. This can be the glance between two people, someone looking at something, someone pointing, the direction of travel of a car, the line formed between echoing shapes, etc.

Who can restate this so we're all on the same page?

10/18/2004 12:27:52 PM · #37
Originally posted by debitipton:
[quote=KaDi] The implied line is that line between two elements that is not stated but there because we recognize it. This can be the glance between two people, someone looking at something, someone pointing, the direction of travel of a car, the line formed between echoing shapes, etc.

Who can restate this so we're all on the same page? [/quot

So if that's the case then would this photos from Stopped Motion be considered an implied line?


By that definition, it seems so, but by the earlier definitions (pasted below to avoid confusion) your example seems more like a psychic line than an implied line to me.

TYPES OF LINES
Actual lines. May vary greatly in weight, character, or other qualities.
Implied lines. An implied line is created by positioning a series of points so that the eye tends automatically to connect them. "Dotted line." The "line" waiting for a bus.
Psychic lines. No real line, not even intermittent points, and yet we feel a line--a mental connection between the two elements. Usually occurs when something looks or points in a certain direction. Our eyes invariably follow, and a psychic line results.
10/18/2004 12:32:18 PM · #38
Originally posted by Sonifo:
So the lines have to be long now? boy!


It doesn't have to but if you really want to be clear about it and not receive the annoying don't meet the challenge comment, why not look for a clear line formation? jonr's example, as he said, is a classic.
 10/18/2004 01:12:15 PM · #39
Hope I don't spoil anyone's plans but the best example of implied lines might be when you walk past a regularly arranged cemetary/orchard and every few seconds the gravestones/trees suddenly form new diagonal 'avenues'.
 10/18/2004 01:15:42 PM · #40
Originally posted by debitipton:
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I think that you may have crossed the line with that one.


Please explain. Did I cross the implied line or the actual line? ;-)


If you can easily find the line, is it implied, or actual? When does an implication cease to be an implication but a truth?

Message edited by author 2004-10-18 13:16:06.
 10/18/2004 01:18:07 PM · #41
Originally posted by bpickard:
Hope I don't spoil anyone's plans but the best example of implied lines might be when you walk past a regularly arranged cemetary/orchard and every few seconds the gravestones/trees suddenly form new diagonal 'avenues'.


I hate you.
 10/18/2004 01:20:53 PM · #42
I got the first entry, and I think it is a keeper. When you all get it sorted out Good Luck!
 10/18/2004 01:25:43 PM · #43
This are some of my examples of my perception of implied lines:



(abstract - but still implied)

(trees only)

- there are no 'real' lines in the bus's movement...

... or the flashing light.
 10/18/2004 01:26:32 PM · #44
some examples I have;

10/18/2004 01:31:51 PM · #45
Originally posted by atsxus:
Originally posted by bpickard:
Hope I don't spoil anyone's plans but the best example of implied lines might be when you walk past a regularly arranged cemetary/orchard and every few seconds the gravestones/trees suddenly form new diagonal 'avenues'.


I hate you.


Sorry. By the way, I really like the next really great idea you will have for this challenge....and I won't post it either! (Except to say it involves an angler catching a fish and the clone tool).
 10/18/2004 01:33:09 PM · #46
Originally posted by Imagineer:
This are some of my examples of my perception of implied lines:



(abstract - but still implied)

(trees only)

- there are no 'real' lines in the bus's movement...

... or the flashing light.


According to Gordon's comment on my photo below, the second to last of your photos does not qualify. Movement based blur is a "real" line according to the discussion below.

I'm disappointed if others agree, because it seems we will mostly see rows, columns and diagonals of items--trees, dominos, gravestones, etc.
 10/18/2004 01:34:07 PM · #47
Originally posted by bpickard:
Originally posted by atsxus:
Originally posted by bpickard:
Hope I don't spoil anyone's plans but the best example of implied lines might be when you walk past a regularly arranged cemetary/orchard and every few seconds the gravestones/trees suddenly form new diagonal 'avenues'.


I hate you.


Sorry. By the way, I really like the next really great idea you will have for this challenge....and I won't post it either! (Except to say it involves an angler catching a fish and the clone tool).


LOL. You think you're funny, don't you!

I actually might still do it. I already did it, actually, as a possible October Freestudy - But obviously before the entry date eligibility. So maybe I'll re-visit it.

Message edited by author 2004-10-18 13:35:18.
 10/18/2004 02:03:22 PM · #48
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
- there are no 'real' lines in the bus's movement...


According to Gordon's comment on my photo below, the second to last of your photos does not qualify. Movement based blur is a "real" line according to the discussion below.

I'm disappointed if others agree, because it seems we will mostly see rows, columns and diagonals of items--trees, dominos, gravestones, etc.

I wondered about this one being controversial. I agree with Gordon really because, while being a perceived line as a photographer at the scene, the image converts it into something tangible and connected. So for this I will thrash myself with a holly branch until very nearly dead.

Message edited by author 2004-10-18 14:03:53.
 10/18/2004 02:17:08 PM · #49
I guess I may have misread the intent of the challenge... Aren't these



Implied Lions?
 10/18/2004 02:43:36 PM · #50
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Here's my entry for the Parallel lines challenge. It got knocked a bit for not actually having any parallel lines in it, though. It might have done better in implied lines. What do you think?



I think a ton of the parrell line photos will meet this challenge very well! This would be one of them....

Message edited by author 2004-10-18 14:47:28.
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