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05/09/2013 03:14:20 PM · #201 |
I'm picking up the Student/Educator version of CS6. The school has preferred pricing so I can get it for a bit under $200. I will stick with it for the next few years and hopefully by then they will have other options.
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05/09/2013 03:17:13 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by MarkB: I'm picking up the Student/Educator version of CS6. The school has preferred pricing so I can get it for a bit under $200. I will stick with it for the next few years and hopefully by then they will have other options. |
I got CS5 when they made that much hyped about boo-boo for $30. Considering how long I used CS, then CS2, I should be fine for a number of years as well. |
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05/09/2013 03:32:44 PM · #203 |
It's a very long thread here. Just wondering about the price of the complete version in US$ (requires annual commitment)? Guess Adobe don't wants me to know that, always get redirected to the Dutch site, so they're playing a not very nice game. For the record, it's 61.49 Euro a month here, which means 80,81$ a month :( |
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05/10/2013 07:29:48 AM · #204 |
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05/10/2013 07:50:02 AM · #205 |
Originally posted by hajeka: It's a very long thread here. Just wondering about the price of the complete version in US$ (requires annual commitment)? Guess Adobe don't wants me to know that, always get redirected to the Dutch site, so they're playing a not very nice game. For the record, it's 61.49 Euro a month here, which means 80,81$ a month :( |
$50/month. |
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05/10/2013 10:08:50 AM · #206 |
if you ONLY want all of Photoshop, the photography part, I understand it will be $19/month for a year or $29 if you want to agree to a month on month basis. The whole package of products is obviously for me as a photographer, not necessary. Check again, $19 is really not to squeal about. |
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05/10/2013 10:11:15 AM · #207 |
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05/11/2013 01:40:41 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by docpjv: Check again, $19 is really not to squeal about. |
Anything is too much when they take away your software if you stop paying. If they are going to force a subscription, why not do what everyone other company is doing and offer the subscription as a support agreement? As long as you pay get updates, stop paying and you still have the software but no longer get updates. |
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05/11/2013 01:58:56 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by bhuge: Originally posted by docpjv: Check again, $19 is really not to squeal about. |
Anything is too much when they take away your software if you stop paying. If they are going to force a subscription, why not do what everyone other company is doing and offer the subscription as a support agreement? As long as you pay get updates, stop paying and you still have the software but no longer get updates. |
Yes. $20/mo is still steep, at $240 per year it's more than an annual (every-version) upgrade, but if added value such as interim updates with added functionality, I can get my head around that. What I can't get my head around is the loss of the future right to use the software.
Surely, they can't have people signing up for a year and then declaring, ah, that's enough and demanding that they still have access to the software. It would have to be a minimum time period, or a previous perpetual license, that would allow continued use at the last-updated state.
In addition, I would expect that a "single concurrent use" would be invoked, but that multiple installs would be allowed. MS, for instance, allows up to 5 installs of Office 365 with no additional constraint on concurrent use, at a reasonable monthly cost. |
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05/11/2013 02:31:34 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by MarkB: I'm picking up the Student/Educator version of CS6. The school has preferred pricing so I can get it for a bit under $200. I will stick with it for the next few years and hopefully by then they will have other options. |
I'm with you. My wife gets a student discount. I've been happy with CS2 for the past 3 years but might drop the cash to finally upgrade if it means I may not be able to get a physical copy again. I'm sure my amateur skills will allow me to use CS6 for many years to come, especially if I get some nifty plug ins for it as well. |
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05/11/2013 02:40:15 PM · #211 |
I think $20 a month is too much as well, especially considering it will only go up from there. Then it will encourage them to do the same with LR, so it will likely be $30 a month. Sorry, that's a non-starter for me. Personally, I think it's too expensive to start with...but I was originally skipping updates to make it work.
I went from CS3 to CS5, I wasn't sure I'd do CS6...was thinking to wait for CS7. But of course their policy of not updating for new RAW formats (with the older versions) makes that hard. LR is definitely worth the upgrade price...if it's around $75 again. I don't really think CS6 is worth a $200 upgrade, but I might do it just to get the latest camera RAW for CS.
On the other hand, I hate to send them any more money at this point. I personally hated what LR did to RAWShooter (made it more cumbersome and slow), and while LR has some really nice features, the user interface for LR still sucks (much too modal, but that's another topic), but overall it's still the best that I've found so far.
Maybe it's time to go back to Elements...or check out Corel. |
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05/11/2013 04:45:15 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by Neil: Maybe it's time to go back to Elements...or check out Corel. |
After some time to think about it, I suspect I will probably upgrade to CS6 (I'm at CS5 now) when I get a new computer (after I move, dammit), then milk CS6 for as long as the plugins will work for it (Nik, etc). After that, I'll see what's available then. I'm already using Lightroom as my RAW converter, so I'm not concerned about the lack of support for new cameras in older versions of PS. There's no way I'm going to *rent* software.
I'm also going to start using the tiff file format instead of PSD. I don't want to get stuck not being able to open files at some point. |
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05/11/2013 06:44:45 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by Ann: Originally posted by Neil: Maybe it's time to go back to Elements...or check out Corel. |
After some time to think about it, I suspect I will probably upgrade to CS6 (I'm at CS5 now) when I get a new computer (after I move, dammit), then milk CS6 for as long as the plugins will work for it (Nik, etc). After that, I'll see what's available then. I'm already using Lightroom as my RAW converter, so I'm not concerned about the lack of support for new cameras in older versions of PS. There's no way I'm going to *rent* software.
I'm also going to start using the tiff file format instead of PSD. I don't want to get stuck not being able to open files at some point. |
There are plenty of programs which will open/convert a Photoshop-format (.PSD) file, at least as a flattened image (which is what you'd have with a TIFF file). I use IrfanView (free, Windows) to browse images in folders, and it "sees" the .PSD files and a whole lot of other formats ... |
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05/11/2013 07:45:31 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: There are plenty of programs which will open/convert a Photoshop-format (.PSD) file, at least as a flattened image (which is what you'd have with a TIFF file). I use IrfanView (free, Windows) to browse images in folders, and it "sees" the .PSD files and a whole lot of other formats ... |
I save all mine as TIFF now, it does preserve all the layers and even some of them more complex PS stuff. |
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05/11/2013 07:47:10 PM · #215 |
$19 a month is not huge. But it sets a dangerous precedent.
$19 a month for Photoshop. What's next? $40 a month for office? $19 a month for your OS? $10 a month for a browser? Then why not $5 a month for email? Having fun yet? Speaking of fun, $10 a month per game. If all the major software producers were to follow this model.....
I believe your computer would suddenly become less fun... And fairly expensive...
And, with the subscription model where is the impetus to advance the software. Once you are a couple of years in, and you feel like they are not improving the breed, what are you going to do? Quit, and render your $480 investment worthless? You either have to walk away from the money and the software, or continue to pay, even if you are unhappy. They know this, even if the customer doesn't.
I don't believe for a minute, the we can't develop both argument. Your registration is on file. The checker checks it. It is valid, or not. Legible for upgrade or not. I have software that has lifetime upgrades. It is no longer sold that way. It is sold on a one to three year license. I still get my upgrades, and they are the same as the folks on the annual plan. Only difference is the serial numbers. If the others do not renew, they can install the upgrade, but after 30 day the user has to pay for another license or they have to go back to the old version.
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05/11/2013 09:40:46 PM · #216 |
I think this is actually a very interesting time in software evolution. And yes, I think Adobe is going about this all wrong: if they want people to migrate to the cloud, they should be pricing their product at low, entry rates. Adobe may be the gold standard, but the idea of "renting" their software (and the ballooning expense of it as people calculate the cost of this renting) which they will no longer be able to use if they stop paying the subscription is a dicey play. This is stupid. Perhaps stop the updates and the tech support, etc. But to not be able to use the program at all...? This is the single reason I'm resisting the cloud.
There are several next-tier options waiting in the wings for an opportunity such as this. Gimp is free. Corel is cheaper. There are likely others just waiting for the opportunity to knock Adobe off its pedestal, and this may be it. Of course, they will have to step up to the plate and start beefing up their programs, but certainly if enough people move to a different platform, even if it means relearning a different program, Adobe will pay attention. Ours is a capitalist model - people like to "own" things. Especially if they are essential to their livelihood.
On the other hand, it has come to this at least partly because of consumers who have pirated Adobe's programs. I do not blame Adobe for wanting to eliminate this practice. Nobody wants their stuff stolen. I have never bought into the "it's too expensive" justification for stealing software. If you can't afford it, use something else. |
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05/11/2013 10:01:26 PM · #217 |
RE the pirating...I don't think they'll be any better off. They already have phone home copy protection I believe. People obviously have been able to break it in order to pirate it. So why would we expect the new version to be any different? It's still on your local machine, and simply needs to phone home to see if you're licensed. |
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05/11/2013 10:12:12 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
I believe your computer would suddenly become less fun... And fairly expensive...
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... and have more time to go out, run, exercise, breathe and eventually take more pictures hihi
Message edited by author 2013-05-11 22:12:26.
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05/12/2013 07:47:51 AM · #219 |
Originally posted by tanguera: I think this is actually a very interesting time in software evolution. And yes, I think Adobe is going about this all wrong: if they want people to migrate to the cloud, they should be pricing their product at low, entry rates. Adobe may be the gold standard, but the idea of "renting" their software (and the ballooning expense of it as people calculate the cost of this renting) which they will no longer be able to use if they stop paying the subscription is a dicey play. This is stupid. Perhaps stop the updates and the tech support, etc. But to not be able to use the program at all...? This is the single reason I'm resisting the cloud.... |
Maybe make it like leasing a car. Make your monthly payments for a length of time with upgrades included, then have the option to buy it out at the end of the lease with no more upgrades, or continue the lease with upgrades. Even this stupid, but not as stupid as CC.
I would label it CL, Creative Lease. To get a CL you would go into an Adobe Dealership and look at different software packages with a high pressure salesperson. After you decide on a package, it's time to start haggling over the lease price, and the salesperson has to run back & forth to a back room to try to convince the sales manager to give you a good price. Once you agree on a lease price and terms, it's time for you to visit the upgrades person to discuss rustproofing online backup, and extended warrantees.
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05/12/2013 01:15:09 PM · #220 |
I also understand Adobe changed the filetypes. This means if your subscription runs out for whatever reason, you can no longer access your work until you pay. Adobe will hold your artwork hostage until you pay. |
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05/12/2013 07:01:15 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by Spork99: I also understand Adobe changed the filetypes. This means if your subscription runs out for whatever reason, you can no longer access your work until you pay. Adobe will hold your artwork hostage until you pay. |
If this is the case, may people (including me) will likely look for an alternative. How does this make business sense??? |
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05/12/2013 07:18:40 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by tanguera: Originally posted by Spork99: I also understand Adobe changed the filetypes. This means if your subscription runs out for whatever reason, you can no longer access your work until you pay. Adobe will hold your artwork hostage until you pay. |
If this is the case, may people (including me) will likely look for an alternative. How does this make business sense??? |
Evidently they believe we have no place else to go. Time will tell. |
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05/12/2013 09:29:00 PM · #223 |
Maybe Photoshop has reached a developmental dead-end. Could they follow the business model lead of the smart phones OS? Make Photoshop be very attractively priced, and open source. Then make a profit by encouraging the community to develop creative apps that we all will pay for, one at a time, licensed by Adobe. |
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05/13/2013 12:44:55 PM · #224 |
Originally posted by pixelpig: Maybe Photoshop has reached a developmental dead-end. Could they follow the business model lead of the smart phones OS? Make Photoshop be very attractively priced, and open source. Then make a profit by encouraging the community to develop creative apps that we all will pay for, one at a time, licensed by Adobe. |
interesting thought! |
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05/13/2013 04:35:21 PM · #225 |
.... and IF a feature was not already downloaded to your pc and I'm offline? Does it mean I cannot use that feature? How much would function while offline?
I mean it's not like some people live with slow speed connections and pay per byte downloaded with monthly limits... oh... crap.... I guess not in the US generally so must be fine. |
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