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05/06/2013 10:06:43 PM · #51 |
Here, this'll make it easier:
ETA: For those of you who peeked, the file has been updated to include the $20/mo, and $30/mo plans, for single-program subscribers and current CS owners, respectively.
Message edited by author 2013-05-06 22:20:38.
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05/06/2013 10:19:58 PM · #52 |
| The internet is a powerful tool. If you have any social media and you subscire or "like" Adobe make your voice heard by unsubscribing and or unliking. Use what they think will hold us hostage against them. |
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05/06/2013 10:23:18 PM · #53 |
Ironic ... I just retrieve my Zenith terminal/monitor, used to connect with a 300 baud modem to a mini-mainframe running UNIX. Programs and data both resided on the host computer -- at home you had nothing but a connection, account, and password.
Then came the personal computer revolution, mostly started by Commodore and Microsoft, but (IMO) boosted into orbit by Apple. People were no longer dependent on a connection to a corporate-owned (and controlled) machine, but instead enjoyed complete control (and security*) over their information and the abilty to process it.
I see this whole "cloud" business as a complete reversal in both philosophy and practice, and personally I plan to refuse to participate the extent possible for as long as possible. I have plenty of old (working) computers right now (I just "inherited" a few from a former workplace), and I find that the type of work I do does not require the "latest and greatest" version of practically anything.
*It occurs to me that this all might be intended to prevent people (i.e. potential terrorists) from using computers ... |
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05/06/2013 10:23:41 PM · #54 |
| they are already receiving a ton of negative press, its all over the internet now. |
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05/06/2013 10:46:23 PM · #55 |
An interesting point - I have what seems to be a sort of cloud based Word application. Who gets to see the documents I edit? Including the one where I keep track of all my passwords? Where is that going?
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05/06/2013 11:31:13 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by PGerst:
What's next? We pay a penny to Cannon and Nikon for every photo we take?? |
I'd pay ten times that. As long as they provided me with the latest gen body/glass and free repair.
Message edited by author 2013-05-06 23:31:22. |
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05/07/2013 12:02:18 AM · #57 |
| In one stroke Adobe has said they have no use for non professional users, If you don't need the full suite, or are not able to afford it, then they do not want you as a customer. I have used Adobe for a few decades, and as of today Adobe will never see another dime of mine. Hello, Phase One. |
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05/07/2013 12:02:51 AM · #58 |
| Suddenly I can't get the song "Get Off of My Cloud" by the Rolling Stones out of my head... |
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05/07/2013 12:03:59 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
In one stroke Adobe has said they have no use for non professional users, If you don't need the full suite, or are not able to afford it, then they do not want you as a customer. I have used Adobe for a few decades, and as of today Adobe will never see another dime of mine. Hello, Phase One. |
The only thing I don't like about what you just said is the fact that I suspect Phase One will quickly become less of a secret. Damn. |
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05/07/2013 12:06:30 AM · #60 |
so, i use photoshop tethered on location all the time (not really, but it sounds pretty cool to say that) where there's never any internet access. how will i be able to do that now? is it possible?
also, how will third party plugins work with all this. |
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05/07/2013 12:12:03 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
so, i use photoshop tethered on location all the time |
This is about the only thing they did correctly with the new cloud junk. You can work offline for up to 30 days without it calling home. So plug in once a month and your good. |
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05/07/2013 12:16:38 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
In one stroke Adobe has said they have no use for non professional users |
I hope you're kidding. I'm not a professional, and I'll definitely be signing up within the next year. There's no way would've paid even the $450 for the student edition before, but a subscription is very doable. I do think the monthly price should be $40 rather than $50, to lower the slope of that line a bit (see previous post) - it ends up being more expensive in the long run (14 or 16 years) than buying the Master Collection and upgrades would have been.
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05/07/2013 12:26:12 AM · #63 |
Let me get this straight. You won't pay $450 upfront for software that you can keep for life, but you are willing to pay $600 slowly over a year for the same software and have said software taken away from you after that year?
Does not compute. |
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05/07/2013 12:28:56 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
Let me get this straight. You won't pay $450 upfront for software that you can keep for life, but you are willing to pay $600 slowly over a year for the same software and have said software taken away from you after that year?
Does not compute. |
This is why car salesmen really try everything they can to avoid talking about price.
Talking about monthly payments is easier for most people to swallow, despite the fact that they're paying a higher price overall.
Strange, I know, but true. |
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05/07/2013 12:39:00 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
In one stroke Adobe has said they have no use for non professional users |
I hope you're kidding. I'm not a professional, and I'll definitely be signing up within the next year. |
Why would I be kidding? I am happy you are willing to agree to pay Adobe $600 a year until they raise the price to a more costly subscription. I upgrade every few years not every year. The new model requires me to pay for the full suite and buy every upgrade to make it a decent deal. Adobe got the benefit of being the standard. With this plan they will drive customers to other solutions. Solutions that their old customer base that upgraded every few years will move to, customers they do not want to have any more. |
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05/07/2013 12:54:44 AM · #66 |
Yes. True. Its essentially a loan. $450 price with $150 in interest over 1 year. They figure people would jump into it without figuring out the costs and when the payments stop foreclose on the license....
...wait a sec...this sounds very familiar.
Originally posted by Cory:
Talking about monthly payments is easier for most people to swallow, despite the fact that they're paying a higher price overall.
Strange, I know, but true. |
Message edited by author 2013-05-07 00:55:19. |
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05/07/2013 01:32:03 AM · #67 |
I was about to upgrade from CS5 to 6. Sounds like a good time to retry Gimp.
Adobe CAN force you really...they do it everytime I buy a new camera and Adobe RAW can't be upgraded. Sure, I can export to TIF in LR, but the easiest/magic between LR and CS is using RAW. |
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05/07/2013 01:50:44 AM · #68 |
| The outrage on their Facebook page is something to behold. There doesn't seem to be anybody in favour of this move. |
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05/07/2013 02:29:37 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
Let me get this straight. You won't pay $450 upfront for software that you can keep for life, but you are willing to pay $600 slowly over a year for the same software and have said software taken away from you after that year?
Does not compute. |
Remember, I'm a student. So it's not $600/year, but $360/year for the whole package (equal to Master Collection + extras). Actually, it's $240/year (for only the first year?) if I sign up before June 25th.
Prices for CS6 were as follows (2-year upgrade after the plus, Education prices in parentheses):
$1000+$200 ($350) Photoshop Extended
$1300+$550 ($450) Design Standard
$1900+$750 ($600) Production Premium/Design & Web Premium
$2600+$1050 ($1000) Master Collection
No upgrades on the student-/teacher-priced ones - ever. If you do the math, this is how much it would've cost me, total, if I would've upgraded every 2 years (PSCS6Ext-DesignStd-Premium-Master):
2 years: $350-$450-$600-$1000 (Education)
4 years: $700-$900-$1200-$2000 (Education)
6 years: $1700-$2200-$3100-$4600 (Standard)
8 years: $1900-$2750-$3850-$5650 (Standard Upgrade)
OR
2 years: $350-$450-$600-$1000 (Education)
4 years: $1350-$1750-$2500-$3600 (Standard)
6 years: $1550-$2300-$3250-$4650 (Standard Upgrade)
8 years: $1750-$2850-$4000-$5700 (Standard Upgrade)
OR
2 years: $1000-$1300-$1900-$2600 (Standard)
4 years: $1200-$1850-$2650-$3650 (Standard Upgrade)
6 years: $1400-$2400-$3400-$4700 (Standard Upgrade)
8 years: $1600-$2950-$4150-$5750 (Standard Upgrade)
1-year upgrades would have led to the same numbers, except for Photoshop, for which the 1-year upgrade price is the same as the 2-year.
Creative Cloud would be:
2 years: $600 ($240 + $360)
4 years: $1800
6 years: $3000
8 years: $4200
10 years: $5400
The only good thing about the previous pricing, in my opinion, was that you could start out with a "lower" suite, then upgrade from the previous version only (12-month upgrade) to the Master Collection for the 24-month upgrade price for Master Collection.
Other than that, no benefit for me. If I don't have the money to upgrade at one point, then I don't have the time to work in Photoshop either, so no loss.
Originally posted by Neil:
I was about to upgrade from CS5 to 6. Sounds like a good time to retry Gimp.
Adobe CAN force you really...they do it everytime I buy a new camera and Adobe RAW can't be upgraded. Sure, I can export to TIF in LR, but the easiest/magic between LR and CS is using RAW. |
I'm sure you can still update if you want...
"While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or other CS products."
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05/07/2013 08:02:28 AM · #70 |
how will student pricing work is a question i have. I'm a student, bought cs5 for about $200. im still using it and will for the foreseeable future. so far i have paid $200 for 3 years worth now and actually I'd probably get another 3 out of provided some killer technology hadn't come out in a later release. now it sounds enticing at $15 a month, but once i quit paying i lose it all, and who's to say adobe cant kill that pricing or what happens when im no longer a student in two years?
monthly fees make less and less sense, at least to me. |
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05/07/2013 08:39:22 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by George:
Remember, I'm a student. |
Will you be a student forever? Once you stop being a student, your price gets jacked up....forever. |
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05/07/2013 08:46:39 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by Mike:
how will student pricing work is a question i have. I'm a student, bought cs5 for about $200. im still using it and will for the foreseeable future. so far i have paid $200 for 3 years worth now and actually I'd probably get another 3 out of provided some killer technology hadn't come out in a later release. now it sounds enticing at $15 a month, but once i quit paying i lose it all, and who's to say adobe cant kill that pricing or what happens when im no longer a student in two years?
monthly fees make less and less sense, at least to me. |
My son is in this same situation. CS5 does everything he needs and his license does not expire after he graduates.
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05/07/2013 08:49:03 AM · #73 |
The biggest frustration here, for me anyway, is that a reasonable subscription system can and should provide value for both the publisher and the customer. But this is not a reasonable system.
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05/07/2013 08:56:44 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by George:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Let me get this straight. You won't pay $450 upfront for software that you can keep for life, but you are willing to pay $600 slowly over a year for the same software and have said software taken away from you after that year?
Does not compute. |
Remember, I'm a student. So it's not $600/year, but $360/year for the whole package (equal to Master Collection + extras). Actually, it's $240/year (for only the first year?) if I sign up before June 25th.
Prices for CS6 were as follows (2-year upgrade after the plus, Education prices in parentheses):
$1000+$200 ($350) Photoshop Extended
$1300+$550 ($450) Design Standard
$1900+$750 ($600) Production Premium/Design & Web Premium
$2600+$1050 ($1000) Master Collection
No upgrades on the student-/teacher-priced ones - ever. If you do the math, this is how much it would've cost me, total, if I would've upgraded every 2 years (PSCS6Ext-DesignStd-Premium-Master):
2 years: $350-$450-$600-$1000 (Education)
4 years: $700-$900-$1200-$2000 (Education)
6 years: $1700-$2200-$3100-$4600 (Standard)
8 years: $1900-$2750-$3850-$5650 (Standard Upgrade)
OR
2 years: $350-$450-$600-$1000 (Education)
4 years: $1350-$1750-$2500-$3600 (Standard)
6 years: $1550-$2300-$3250-$4650 (Standard Upgrade)
8 years: $1750-$2850-$4000-$5700 (Standard Upgrade)
OR
2 years: $1000-$1300-$1900-$2600 (Standard)
4 years: $1200-$1850-$2650-$3650 (Standard Upgrade)
6 years: $1400-$2400-$3400-$4700 (Standard Upgrade)
8 years: $1600-$2950-$4150-$5750 (Standard Upgrade)
1-year upgrades would have led to the same numbers, except for Photoshop, for which the 1-year upgrade price is the same as the 2-year.
Creative Cloud would be:
2 years: $600 ($240 + $360)
4 years: $1800
6 years: $3000
8 years: $4200
10 years: $5400
The only good thing about the previous pricing, in my opinion, was that you could start out with a "lower" suite, then upgrade from the previous version only (12-month upgrade) to the Master Collection for the 24-month upgrade price for Master Collection.
Other than that, no benefit for me. If I don't have the money to upgrade at one point, then I don't have the time to work in Photoshop either, so no loss.
Originally posted by Neil:
I was about to upgrade from CS5 to 6. Sounds like a good time to retry Gimp.
Adobe CAN force you really...they do it everytime I buy a new camera and Adobe RAW can't be upgraded. Sure, I can export to TIF in LR, but the easiest/magic between LR and CS is using RAW. |
I'm sure you can still update if you want...
"While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be available for purchase, Adobe has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or other CS products." |
Does your plan assume that people upgrade every year. I would guess that most armatures and semi pros don't. If I spent $600 on CS6 now I would probably not upgrade for 3-5 years that is $600 while the subscription would cost me 1800-3000. I just don't see how your numbers are working for someone like me. Maybe it is a good plan for those who upgrade anyway every year, but who is to say they won't raise the price in the future to $60 a month or $75. And like someone said you are not going to be a student forever. So that argument doesn't hold any water for me.
Besides the fact that most of us end up buying our software on some kind of deal. I don't think I would pay full price for it anyway. For instance Mike got his on a student price, he bought it when he was a student now he can keep it for as long as he wants. I would get a copy from a friend who works there and probably get it for $300-$400. I know others find deals and promotions. Now there is none of that, other than the "Comcast" bait and switch promotion (pay this amount for a few months and then we'll get you hooked and switch the price to double what you are paying) Things like that just don't sit well with me. And just think about how much you adore your cable company do you really want your photo editing software to have the same hassles? |
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05/07/2013 09:39:58 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Mike:
hold on a second guys, i cant hear you. the folks over are Corel are throwing a huge party, its so loud i can hear it all the way here. |
Made me smile :)
I have used Adobe Elements 8 and 9 but what I use these days is Corel PaintShop Pro X5 Ultimate and it meets all my requirements and then some.
In my opinion, Adobe charge way too much for the CS packages anyway and unless your a pro, and have to make a living from your work, I really don't see spending that amount of money for their software.
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