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Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

09/07/2010 03:18:51 PM · #26

It has probably been said over and over again...and I'm not a master editor...but I think all free study's should be master challenges. Why not let you show off that one thing that you have been working on for the entire month...you don't work on an advanced photo for an entire month, you work on the master edited photo...actually I'd like to see no rules for freestudy's except photos being taken within the challenge, but will settle for masters editing for all freestudys.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

09/07/2010 03:36:03 PM · #27

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fiora:
The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.

This is so off-the charts retarded, it's hardly worth responding to. Devalued? Unfair because the competition wasn't open to everyone?

EXCUSE ME? lol.

A master's challenge wouldn't be open to everyone, would it? Kind of devalues the ribbon if you're only letting the elite play in their special sandbox. Can't let those peons ruin those chances for MORE ribbons, can we?

Member challenges aren't open to everyone. We have THOSE every week (and no, it's not "open to everyone" even if those people that aren't members can become members, because not everyone CAN, at any given moment).

Do you even think before spouting off?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/07/2010 03:44:14 PM · #28

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Fiora:
The ribbon winner of the other challenge, finally wins a ribbon!

This has been considered before -- that ribbon is devalued compared to all the other ribbons because the competition wasn't open to everyone, specifically those who might well have been in contention. It's also why we don't run challenges just for our younger members -- everybody competing equally and anonymously seems to me to be a core principle of the site which we should try to avoid eroding.

This is so off-the charts retarded, it's hardly worth responding to. Devalued? Unfair because the competition wasn't open to everyone?

EXCUSE ME? lol.

A master's challenge wouldn't be open to everyone, would it? Kind of devalues the ribbon if you're only letting the elite play in their special sandbox. Can't let those peons ruin those chances for MORE ribbons, can we?

Member challenges aren't open to everyone. We have THOSE every week (and no, it's not "open to everyone" even if those people that aren't members can become members, because not everyone CAN, at any given moment).

Do you even think before spouting off?

Exactly my thoughts Ed, was just about to post:-

but then a 'Master's Only' challenge, also states, to the non-ribbon winners, you are really very poor and don't deserve to be here etc etc etc

but you say it much better than me!!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

09/07/2010 03:44:38 PM · #29

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Do you even think before spouting off?

Do you? Are you just psycologically incapable of expressing your ideas without being rude, or do you actually intentionally choose to act boorish?

Sheesh! I said it was "what had been previously expressed in earlier discussions" -- it's not even necessarily my own opinion.

Besides, if there's anyone with an interest in a challenge open only to those who have an average under 5 it would be me ... :-(

JustCaree

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

09/07/2010 03:50:57 PM · #30

I wouldnt be part of the masters challenge but I would love to view the work! If we do it one with masters one with an extra free study of some sorts for the non masters... i think it would be perfectly fair and would love to view the worK!

K3Master

Pentax K-3

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

09/07/2010 03:56:27 PM · #31

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Do you even think before spouting off?

Do you? Are you just psycologically incapable of expressing your ideas without being rude, or do you actually intentionally choose to act boorish?

Sheesh! I said it was "what had been previously expressed in earlier discussions" -- it's not even necessarily my own opinion.

Besides, if there's anyone with an interest in a challenge open only to those who have an average under 5 it would be me ... :-(

Oh, whatever. Go act the victim somewhere else.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/07/2010 03:56:59 PM · #32

............but if the site core principle is everybody competing equally and anonymously, then why have a Master Challenge in the first place, nevermind even having the discussion of a challenge for non ribbon winners, challenge for above this average or below this average, next it will be a challenge for canon owner's only with the F2.8 400L lens.

IMHO, the original Master Challenge should never have happened in the first place as it stinks of elitism!!

Message edited by author 2010-09-07 15:58:06.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/07/2010 03:58:25 PM · #33

Ok everybody, out of the pool! Let's keep this positive. The last MFS was a big huzzah for DPC and we had lots of oldtimers come out of the woodwork to provide great shots. Wouldn't it be worth it just to see

De Sousa whip up something from his insane genius? Plus we might see

toddhead's wife naked again!

ambaker

Google Glass Google Glass

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

09/07/2010 04:03:27 PM · #34

Just give me the mercy ribbon and nobody gets hurt.... Easy peasy... ;-)

Edited to say, the Doc said it better and quicker...

Message edited by author 2010-09-07 16:05:11.

LevT

OM System OM-1

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

09/07/2010 04:16:48 PM · #35

A masters challenge is like a playoff game in a league championship, nobody in their right mind would say it is easier to ribbon in it because some members are not admitted to play. In reality, it is much harder ...as opposed to a challenge for no-ribbon members where winning a ribbon would feel a bit like cheating.

It is not elitism, it is meritocracy :)

mycelium

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

09/07/2010 04:23:30 PM · #36

Hmm... you have to be a member to vote in the member challenges, right?

So would you have to be a "master" in order to vote in the "Master's Free Study?"

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/07/2010 04:27:57 PM · #37

Agree...it would be like cheating to win ribbon in a challenge for non-ribbon members only also...that is why I disagree with both!!!

Just leave it as it is.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

09/07/2010 04:32:59 PM · #38

Originally posted by wingyisleeds:

Just leave it as it is.

Good idea! That means a masters free study every few years, just like always :-)

R.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

09/07/2010 04:34:07 PM · #39

I don't know what the hoopla is all about. The ribbons have been devalued looong ago and the last MFS was sort of a joke anyway. There are few people past and present that were a) good and b) took it seriously. If we ran it again it'll probably just be another dumping ground for certain ribbon hogs to spam us with the same old tired outtakes.