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09/09/2010 06:37:33 AM · #126

I'm still hoping for a master's free study.

However, I had no idea that they did a commentors' free study -- I think that's a great idea, too. However, I think that they should announce it a couple of weeks ahead of time. There would be a lot of people scrambling to get enough comments in. I'm about 500 comments behind, but I'd probably try to catch up. 500 isn't that many. Think of how many comments people would receive during the lead up to this challenge!

Bring it on!

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

09/09/2010 08:59:32 AM · #127

Heh - when they did the commenter's challenge, people indeed ran about leaving a ton of "great shot!" type comments just to catch up. Probably don't need to do that challenge again, though. Not based on merit, just verbosity.

Ya'll will rock a Masters Free Study, I'm sure - have fun!

09/09/2010 09:17:16 AM · #128

Originally posted by Melethia:

what do you mean, ya'll! You'd be required to enter too. :P

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

09/09/2010 09:36:51 AM · #129

I am not sure if this was suggested but masters should require 2 or more ribbons at least one of them blue :0\
This would out me from the challenge, but I think a master should have at least one first place... don't you agree :o|
You have to have a black-Belt before fighting with a black-belt

09/09/2010 09:40:21 AM · #130

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Melethia:
Heh - when they did the commenter's challenge, people indeed ran about leaving a ton of "great shot!" type comments just to catch up. Probably don't need to do that challenge again, though. Not based on merit, just verbosity.

Ya'll will rock a Masters Free Study, I'm sure - have fun!

what do you mean, ya'll! You'd be required to enter too. :P

Right! In fact, you're the only one in DPC, Deb, who can legitimately call herself a "double master", seeing as you have not only garnered 6 ribbons, you have the best image of 2009 as voted by a jury of your peers :-)

R.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

09/09/2010 11:36:34 AM · #131

Ya'll are sweet but I'm no Master. I capture, I don't create. Seems to me this is for the artists who create, which is just fine!

09/09/2010 11:44:31 AM · #132

Originally posted by Melethia:

Ya'll are sweet but I'm no Master. I capture, I don't create. Seems to me this is for the artists who create, which is just fine!

Y'all is modest, but there are some who consider you one of the most compelling talents in DPC, the more so because you seem oblivious to the clarity and concision of your own vision.

R,

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

09/09/2010 12:06:55 PM · #133

Awww... *sniff* thanks, Robert!

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

09/09/2010 12:55:42 PM · #134

I didn't know 'concision' was a word. Learn something every day.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

09/09/2010 01:03:19 PM · #135

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I didn't know 'concision' was a word. Learn something every day.

I had to look this one up, and Nuts & Bolts of College Writing said it with just the right amount of verbosity (Don't you just love words!):

Concision is intimately connected to clarity. Certainly there are some writers, masters of periphrasis, who can take the long way home without getting lost, but as a practical matter the Nuts and Bolts style�action-oriented subject-verb constructions that match syntax with logic�tends to make you a more concise writer.

But concision remains a struggle for every writer. Writing being the in-process, on-the-fly activity it is, essays come into being with a great deal of stress and mess. As our ideas swirl around us, and as we struggle to give them order, clarity, and vigor, our words swirl around us, too. It's typical for good writers to produce wordy early drafts, and then work through several stages of revision to find and eliminate all the flab. Richard Lanham, one of my favorite writing gurus, says that writing typically starts out with a high "lard factor," as he calls it�the number of words in one's first draft divided by the number of words in one's revision. As a rule of thumb, Lanham says, "think of a lard factor of one-third to one-half as normal and don't stop revising until you've removed it."Richard A. Lanham, Revising Prose, 3rd ed. (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 4. Mark Twain's flippant comment also suggests that it's not too hard to get words down on paper; the difficulty lies in keeping the right ones.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/09/2010 01:05:57 PM · #136

hehe. Great stuff Alice!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

09/09/2010 01:31:07 PM · #137

Self-editing is an old problem ...

"I have made this letter a rather long one, only because I didn't have the leisure to make it shorter."

--Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

Message edited by author 2010-09-09 13:34:29.

fotomann_forever

09/09/2010 01:34:11 PM · #138

Originally posted by GeneralE:

"I have made this letter a rather long one, only because I didn't have the leisure to make it shorter."

--Blaise Pascal

Amazingly, the programming language named after him carries that same philosophy.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

09/09/2010 02:40:43 PM · #139

Howzabout a Lone Ribbon FS? Open to those of us who aren't quite Masters - you need at least 2 ribbons to be considered a Master, right? - because we've only ribboned once. So far.

Tamron AF 70-200mm f/2.8 Di LD IF Macro Lens for Sony

09/09/2010 02:53:39 PM · #140

Originally posted by snaffles:

Howzabout a Lone Ribbon FS? Open to those of us who aren't quite Masters - you need at least 2 ribbons to be considered a Master, right? - because we've only ribboned once. So far.

Nope. You just don't get to play, I guess. They've talked about a master's and a non-ribbon winner. So I guess you're just out of luck. :P

bobnospum

Sony Alpha a77 II

09/09/2010 02:56:28 PM · #141

Originally posted by snaffles:

Howzabout a Lone Ribbon FS? Open to those of us who aren't quite Masters - you need at least 2 ribbons to be considered a Master, right? - because we've only ribboned once. So far.

What a great idea. Following that thought, run three freestudy's:

Apprentice - No Ribbon
Journeyman - One Ribbon
Master - Two or More Ribbons

Sorry if I offended anyone with the names but the Masters theme made me think of the other two -- similar to learning a trade such as tailoring or metalworking.

So someone gets their first ribbon, a one time winner gets to be a master, and Master of masters is found. Might be fun or might be a bit too much :)

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

09/09/2010 03:08:01 PM · #142

Originally posted by bobnospum:

Originally posted by snaffles:
Howzabout a Lone Ribbon FS? Open to those of us who aren't quite Masters - you need at least 2 ribbons to be considered a Master, right? - because we've only ribboned once. So far.

What a great idea. Following that thought, run three freestudy's:

Apprentice - No Ribbon
Journeyman - One Ribbon
Master - Two or More Ribbons

Sorry if I offended anyone with the names but the Masters theme made me think of the other two -- similar to learning a trade such as tailoring or metalworking.

So someone gets their first ribbon, a one time winner gets to be a master, and Master of masters is found. Might be fun or might be a bit too much :)

That's a really good idea actually, and I don't think too many will be offended by the 'Journeyman' thing. After all Journeyperson is kinda cumbersome. Though if I did ribbon again I truly would be Mistress Snaffles ;-)

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

09/09/2010 03:21:27 PM · #143

Two ribbons does not a Master make, I'm here to testify. I would make the requirement a minimum of 3 ribbons OR two previous Free Study ribbons.

I like the idea of seeing (and voting on) a best-of-the-best. Also like Bob's idea of concurrent lesser league FS challenges.

FWIW, I would even welcome the idea of a ribbon hogs challenge - minimum of ten ribbons. And/or a single elimination tournament - last man standing for the ultimate title. I would also like to be able to place bets on said tournament.

But a simple 3 tiered FS challenge would be fine for now.

09/09/2010 04:14:58 PM · #144

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

FWIW, I would even welcome the idea of a ribbon hogs challenge - minimum of ten ribbons.

I'm curious how many currently active members have 10+ ribbons...

R.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

09/09/2010 04:16:36 PM · #145

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
FWIW, I would even welcome the idea of a ribbon hogs challenge - minimum of ten ribbons.

I'm curious how many currently active members have 10+ ribbons...

R.

Quite a few, I believe. Check here.

Well, by "quite a few", I mean at least 15-20 I am guessing. Plus a tournament like that might bring some back.

Message edited by author 2010-09-09 16:18:55.

09/09/2010 04:29:44 PM · #146

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
FWIW, I would even welcome the idea of a ribbon hogs challenge - minimum of ten ribbons.

I'm curious how many currently active members have 10+ ribbons...

R.

Quite a few, I believe. Check here.

Well, by "quite a few", I mean at least 15-20 I am guessing. Plus a tournament like that might bring some back.

nonononono!! Don't limit it to 10 ribbons -- I'll end up with the brown! I'd really like there to be at least someone that I could beat in the master's free study... If they brought their "a" game, I certainly couldn't beat those on the list!

09/09/2010 04:46:14 PM · #147

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Yah... be a pretty limited field :-( If you got 100% participation from the active 10+ brigade and, say, 30-40% of the inactive 10+ group, I doubt you'd have more than 35, 40 entered. Make the cutoff point 7 or 8, and you'd get WAY more in, for whatever that's worth.

R.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

09/09/2010 04:51:07 PM · #148

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
FWIW, I would even welcome the idea of a ribbon hogs challenge - minimum of ten ribbons.

I'm curious how many currently active members have 10+ ribbons...

R.

Quite a few, I believe. Check here.

Well, by "quite a few", I mean at least 15-20 I am guessing. Plus a tournament like that might bring some back.

Yah... be a pretty limited field :-( If you got 100% participation from the active 10+ brigade and, say, 30-40% of the inactive 10+ group, I doubt you'd have more than 35, 40 entered. Make the cutoff point 7 or 8, and you'd get WAY more in, for whatever that's worth.

R.

I was shooting for the very top crop - just what I'd like to see. Yeah, whatever it's worth - I never expected it would even be debated, let alone implemented.

I still feel that, if you are going to call anything a "Masters", that the requirement is 3 ribbons (or 2 FS ribbons), or a certain score average would probably be more appropriate. But whatever. Just throwing my thoughts out there.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

09/09/2010 04:52:17 PM · #149

Originally posted by Melethia:

Ya'll are sweet but I'm no Master. I capture, I don't create. Seems to me this is for the artists who create, which is just fine!

Are you delusional? This challenge is for ribbon winners, not creative artists.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5