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07/17/2012 03:28:44 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i always though that we should have a check box for people that dont want comments, but then again everyone wants comments just not negative ones. |
There already is a check box, but it's more of an opt-in..
It reads:
I submit that my entry was based on photograph(s) taken with a digital camera on or between Jul. 11th 2012 and Jul. 17th 2012. If requested, I will provide the unedited, original file from my digital camera within 48 hours. I have followed the Advanced Editing rule set, taking into account any extra rules listed above.*
By checking that box, you should understand that you're entering a contest where your work will be judged. If you are not ok with this, then you probably shouldn't have checked the above referenced box. |
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07/17/2012 03:32:26 PM · #27 |
I have been here since 2005 and sadly I have seen a downward trend. I posted this thread back in April 2012 Low Voter Tally!?!----Get OUT the vote DPC It compares the numbers (voting and entries) in challenges in March 2011 to those of March 2012.
Not a lot of people responded or thought it was such a big deal. Apathy is playing a large role in the drop I feel. It cannot just be blamed on it being Summer - the other half of the world DPCer's are having Winter.
Another case in point was the recent Zen IV challenge. The blue won with only 102 votes....the rest of us DPCers who participated got anywhere from 90 to 99. The low participation is depressing...and when morale gets low it only spirals down further unless something happens to boast morale (human nature).
So the question is What do we do about it?
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07/17/2012 03:37:03 PM · #28 |
Only two things that I can think of:
1. If you are in a challenge you will NOT be able to send a PM to a commenter until AFTER the challenge votes are tallied.
Pro: Remove the intimidation that their may be a nasty PM from the creator of the photo. It also gives the opportunity of time to (hopefully) have the photographer cool down rather than react when they are at an emotional high of anger.
Con: Not sure how that can be coded into the system. How would it handle the possible scenario that photographer participates in next challenge and has the same commenter comment on that challenge before the first one rolls over. One could end up with a result that they may never be able to respond to commenter because they are in a constant state of participation.
2. The DPL should be a yearly thing.
Pro: Would draw people in, draw people back into the fold and promote camaraderie.
Con: Some DPCer's such as newbies or ones who do not get on or choose not to be on a team will feel the heat of the fierce competition that occurs. They would also be a the disadvantage that they do not get the extra insight or input from fellow teammates that could help them improve in their craft.
Message edited by author 2012-07-17 15:38:26. |
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07/17/2012 03:44:07 PM · #29 |
You can opt to be a baghead if you really think that will help. I don't think the issue is non-commenting because of fear of backlash. Maybe I'm wrong? I've never feared placing a comment. The worst outcome is that you get a funny PM to read.
Increasing voting numbers is a tricky task though. I'll be honest, I do not have a lot of time to sit and vote on many challenges properly. Instead I tend to quickly look through pictures and only leave comments on the ones that really catch my attention. I fear that I'm part of the problem, not the solution. |
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07/17/2012 04:36:23 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Also, why geriatric grey for the background? |
An 18% gray background has long been considered the "standard viewing condition" for evaluating color photographs -- check out any major studio or print shop and you'll find (or should) a whole viewing space or room done up in gray, with 5000°K daylight-balanced neutral lighting.
Since this is a contest, it seems reasonable to present all of the entries under identical conditions, and the neutral gray is least likely to favor or handicap any particular entry.
If your entry needs a different background to be "properly appreciated" you can always add a solid border in whatever color you want. |
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07/17/2012 04:40:33 PM · #31 |
is activity down at dpc?
yeah, voting is down.
commenting is down.
forum activity is down.
the good stuff about dpc will pretty much stay good, especially in terms of it being a great resource and a strong community (for those that stick around).
but, as far as being a good website, it's terrible. think about it: dpc is OLDER than FACEBOOK! with just a little initiative and imagination, no telling how big it could have been. as is, it's pretty much carved out its place as either a launching pad to get some people further into photography, or a weeding ground to drive people away from it. every now and then we get our hopes up that we're on the brink of something big, but it pretty much fizzles out. just take a look at the get satisfaction page. nothing's happening for months. not even the low-hanging fruit.
so, it's pretty much left to its own inertia. it'll keep going and the community that wants to hang with it will keep hanging.
fwiw, (excepting the last dpl two years ago), i've managed to enter more challenges in the past month than i've been able to enter in the past five years. not moving any needles, but at least having the opportunity to throw in.
and i managed to make a lot of comments, honest, and basically well-received. only had one not marked helpful by someone who only found nice comments helpful.
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
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07/17/2012 05:06:48 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Skip:
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
Perfectly put IMHO. When I joined long ago I thought this place was going to go global, and frankly I'm just as happy it hasn't. 500 PX and Flickr have their place, and yes you get many times the views, but there is no community. The fact that our hangout seems to have largely been abandoned by the ownership, and there is no real attempt to drive new members here may cause it to wither and die someday, but for the moment it is the best place to get honest feedback and real help (not to mention a good group of people) that I have found. |
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07/17/2012 05:16:06 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Skip:
is activity down at dpc?
yeah, voting is down.
commenting is down.
forum activity is down.
the good stuff about dpc will pretty much stay good, especially in terms of it being a great resource and a strong community (for those that stick around).
but, as far as being a good website, it's terrible. think about it: dpc is OLDER than FACEBOOK! with just a little initiative and imagination, no telling how big it could have been. as is, it's pretty much carved out its place as either a launching pad to get some people further into photography, or a weeding ground to drive people away from it. every now and then we get our hopes up that we're on the brink of something big, but it pretty much fizzles out. just take a look at the get satisfaction page. nothing's happening for months. not even the low-hanging fruit.
so, it's pretty much left to its own inertia. it'll keep going and the community that wants to hang with it will keep hanging.
fwiw, (excepting the last dpl two years ago), i've managed to enter more challenges in the past month than i've been able to enter in the past five years. not moving any needles, but at least having the opportunity to throw in.
and i managed to make a lot of comments, honest, and basically well-received. only had one not marked helpful by someone who only found nice comments helpful.
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
awesome, i wonder if this is jovan. |
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07/17/2012 05:55:08 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Originally posted by Skip:
is activity down at dpc?
yeah, voting is down.
commenting is down.
forum activity is down.
the good stuff about dpc will pretty much stay good, especially in terms of it being a great resource and a strong community (for those that stick around).
but, as far as being a good website, it's terrible. think about it: dpc is OLDER than FACEBOOK! with just a little initiative and imagination, no telling how big it could have been. as is, it's pretty much carved out its place as either a launching pad to get some people further into photography, or a weeding ground to drive people away from it. every now and then we get our hopes up that we're on the brink of something big, but it pretty much fizzles out. just take a look at the get satisfaction page. nothing's happening for months. not even the low-hanging fruit.
so, it's pretty much left to its own inertia. it'll keep going and the community that wants to hang with it will keep hanging.
fwiw, (excepting the last dpl two years ago), i've managed to enter more challenges in the past month than i've been able to enter in the past five years. not moving any needles, but at least having the opportunity to throw in.
and i managed to make a lot of comments, honest, and basically well-received. only had one not marked helpful by someone who only found nice comments helpful.
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
awesome, i wonder if this is jovan. |
Wish I could say it was me; unfortunately I have not yet had the pleasure of not marking skips comments helpful. But I eagerly await the day I finally get to do so.
Message edited by author 2012-07-17 17:56:12. |
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07/17/2012 05:56:58 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by jovan91:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Originally posted by Skip:
is activity down at dpc?
yeah, voting is down.
commenting is down.
forum activity is down.
the good stuff about dpc will pretty much stay good, especially in terms of it being a great resource and a strong community (for those that stick around).
but, as far as being a good website, it's terrible. think about it: dpc is OLDER than FACEBOOK! with just a little initiative and imagination, no telling how big it could have been. as is, it's pretty much carved out its place as either a launching pad to get some people further into photography, or a weeding ground to drive people away from it. every now and then we get our hopes up that we're on the brink of something big, but it pretty much fizzles out. just take a look at the get satisfaction page. nothing's happening for months. not even the low-hanging fruit.
so, it's pretty much left to its own inertia. it'll keep going and the community that wants to hang with it will keep hanging.
fwiw, (excepting the last dpl two years ago), i've managed to enter more challenges in the past month than i've been able to enter in the past five years. not moving any needles, but at least having the opportunity to throw in.
and i managed to make a lot of comments, honest, and basically well-received. only had one not marked helpful by someone who only found nice comments helpful.
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
awesome, i wonder if this is jovan. |
Wish I could say it was me; unfortunately I have not yet had the pleasure of not marking skips comments helpful. But I eagerly await the day I finally get to do so. |
amazing |
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07/17/2012 07:45:37 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
The fact that our hangout seems to have largely been abandoned by the ownership, and there is no real attempt to drive new members here may cause it to wither and die someday, .... |
It's sad really. I watched another one of my favorites sites flame out a couple of years ago, plastic.com. Most people probably don't like what I have to say all the time, but I would gladly take the helm. I'm a developer and would love to steer a ship like this. I write code for shits and giggles when I'm bored: sudoku solvers, sokoban solvers, simulated annealing, whatever. If I had something constructive to waste it on, it'd be all that much better. |
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07/17/2012 08:21:14 PM · #37 |
I very much enjoy this site. It can really drive you to think. But yes, it seems much slower now.
An over all change, could be exciting. With current tec and web designers, the possibilities are endless. But just fixing the unfinished parts would be good too.
I am still waiting, to be able to review gear. I have been here three years, with no change on reviews? I know I can link to Amazon and see reviews. But I want to see the DPC'ers input.
As insight from most users, would be fantastic information. I'm sure most would agree.
So a little frustraiting....
My biggest let down, is similar challenges in the same week. Man that drives me nut. It's been constantly like that, since I joined. Just look at the home page and the abstract challenges. Why have them the same week?
Look at the entries and they could end up in either challenge. Most of them anyways. They may go together, but for me variety would be better. Just my though....
Yeah, so I'm venting a bit. Don't get me wrong, I love this place. The community is amazing and I will probably never leave. Just as long as Snaffels keeps paying that membership! Yeah, I'm a lucky guy...
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07/17/2012 09:18:49 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Skip:
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
perfect analogy.
so do we continue to buy drinks or just loiter?
Message edited by author 2012-07-17 21:20:54. |
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07/17/2012 09:55:33 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Skip:
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
Perfectly put IMHO. When I joined long ago I thought this place was going to go global, and frankly I'm just as happy it hasn't. 500 PX and Flickr have their place, and yes you get many times the views, but there is no community. The fact that our hangout seems to have largely been abandoned by the ownership, and there is no real attempt to drive new members here may cause it to wither and die someday, but for the moment it is the best place to get honest feedback and real help (not to mention a good group of people) that I have found. |
Brennan and Skip, I very much agree that there is a more solid sense of community here - more so than any other. Way back in the heyday deviantART had it's pockets of community but then it took off and, imho, became so big you were lucky to get a view or two much less a comment. With the intro/creation of groups, some of that small town 'community' came back but it still lacks that strong camaraderie. /community that I have grown to love here at DPC. The community has gathered around and helped/supported fellow members as we have witnessed with  Sherpet,  SDW,  docpjv and several others. Hey, I even finally found some time and gathered up enough courage to emerge from my shell to attend a DPC get-together to hang out with fellow photogs to shoot the breeze:-)
You also said something that my husband and I discussed this afternoon - that the ownership of the site is not steering the wheel on a consistent and steady basis (at least, not in ways visible to all as that I am sure that there are some behind the scenes things that the general public is even aware about). The Get Satisfaction site was a great thing but I have seen very few of the ideas put into action. Excitement on suggestions has tapered off on the suggestion site.
I still hold hope (and patience) that new things will be implemented but I no longer hold my breath with anticipation that things will happen in a prompt fashion. I do hope DPC has staying power. I love the sense of community. The sharing and drive to learn the art of photography is what makes this site great (and lets face it aggravating at the same time;-) ) .
But there HAS TO be a happy balance of drawing in and holding new members while keeping the ol' timers around and coming back for more.
Message edited by author 2012-07-17 22:41:53. |
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07/17/2012 09:57:31 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Skip:
bottom line, this place is just like an old bar. you're either comfortable with the patrons or your not. since you know the owner ain't gonna fix it up, it's up to you to make the most of it, or to move on... |
perfect analogy.
so do we continue to buy drinks or just loiter? |
Pour me a shot of Vodka or better yet a shot of Tuaca since we are using the bar analogy:-) As to what is in OUR power to make the most of it....brain wheels are in gear - hmmmm. |
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07/18/2012 07:41:22 AM · #41 |
| now it looks like a bartender forgot to stock the shelves. |
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07/18/2012 08:03:21 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
now it looks like a bartender forgot to stock the shelves. |
Oh no! Empty... again? |
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07/18/2012 08:03:57 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
now it looks like a bartender forgot to stock the shelves. |
Yeah, that's a let down. I'm always hoping for something new to inspire me. Guess not this morning. |
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07/18/2012 08:04:47 AM · #44 |
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that when I first joined, there was always 100+ entries into each competition; now the average seems to be between 60-80. Things definitely seem more quiet round here.
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07/18/2012 08:06:09 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
now it looks like a bartender forgot to stock the shelves. |
Oh no! Empty... again? |
"Cold turkey" describes the actions of a person who abruptly gives up a habit or addiction rather than gradually easing the process through gradual reduction or by using replacement medication. |
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07/18/2012 08:13:25 AM · #46 |
"Closing time
Time for you to go out go out into the world.
Closing time
Turn the lights up over every boy and every girl.
Closing time
One last call for alcohol so finish your whiskey or beer.
Closing time
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
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07/18/2012 09:12:00 AM · #47 |
I like here for the ppl and the community
The site is awful, clunky and so outdated
Imagine if it was like Facebook or 1x where you could see on the top bar when you had a new comment etc
Things like better profiles and browsing images would be better and an easy way to upload, 500, Flickr and Facebook can all be uploaded to straight from Lightroom or aperture.
I don't put any of my other work on here that's not challenge or side challenge related.
I'm almost a year in and still debating renewing, this site is not at all customer orientated, when do we ever hear from Langdon? When does anything change that's been suggested.
I do love the site though and has red parked my love of photography have spent about £6k on gear since joining though haha
I joined because of Alex saberi and spoke with him when I joined and he said then a year ago that dpc had lost its former glory
Definetly seems a move away from serious and pro photographers what I mean is things like no nude challenges since 2007 and nudes get hit hard generally but looking back there used to be a lot more photographers working with models etc not so more anymore.
Shame as its a great idea just needs a serious revamp of the code
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07/18/2012 09:17:34 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
Shame as its a great idea just needs a serious revamp of the code |
maybe its time for a spinoff. |
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07/18/2012 09:42:14 AM · #49 |
| My fault, but I have been a bit under the weather of late. LOL |
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07/18/2012 10:26:14 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
My fault, but I have been a bit under the weather of late. LOL |
Yes, I do quite think all of this is your fault doc.. ;) |
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