Is the activity level down on DPC?

07/23/2012 02:44:53 PM · #176

Originally posted by tanguera:

Cory, Ivo, et al. Do NOT equate honesty with rudeness. You can be perfectly honest about an image without being mean, rude, or condescending. The only reason to write rudely is to provoke a fight or to shut down dialogue.

A couple of things here. First, some people don't want an honest critique, they say they want honest feedback, but they really want validation of their self perceived greatness. Anything short of "Your image is the best thing ever, it's so beautiful I cried just looking at it." is rude and offensive to them.

Second, what some people consider rude, isn't what other people would consider rude.

I remember when I was in art school, the department periodically arranged for a pro to come and review our portfolios, sometimes it was a photographer, other times they had art directors or other buyers come in. Some people would leave in tears because they didn't receive accolades from the reviewer. Others received equal criticism, but used those comments to improve their work and take it to a new level.

In-class critiques could be just as honest and at times, harsh.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/23/2012 02:57:17 PM · #177

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by Cory:
The argument I'm making here is that everyone's perception of "rudeness" varies, and wildly at that. Some people take even the slightest critique as rude, others are far less sensitive about it, and while I don't advocate rudeness, I also don't like the feeling of questioning everything I say 50 times before posting it because someone might take it in a manner other than that in which it was intended.

That's unfortunately the world we live in. You have to PG everything down so we don't trample the delicate flowers.

Heh... I think some trampling is good for the flowers as a species. ;) Even when I'm the flower getting trampled. lol.

tanguera

Nikon D750

07/23/2012 03:11:04 PM · #178

I could either respond to you as follows:

You're an ass with a deplorable lack of understanding of even the most basic social skills, and should stick to playing online video games with other losers instead of flaunting your despicable insecurity by mocking common courtesy and civility as being a pathetically politically correct aberration.

Or I could say:

It does not appear you appreciate the importance of civil discourse. Yes, people have varying degrees of tolerance towards any sort of feedback, but everyone reacts to provocation, and I find that a many of your otherwuse valid comments are written in very provocative and intentionally hurtful language. We cannot be responsible for other people's perceptions, but we must take responsibility for our choice of words. You are neither assuming that responsibility, nor your part in problem.

chazoe

Nikon Z7 FX

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8D PC

07/23/2012 03:19:06 PM · #179

I think harsh criticism is fine, I don't even mind blunt stuff when it comes to my own shots. I do however think it needs to be done in a somewhat delicate manner, especially if it's in a challenge and you don't know who the person is, because newbies need to be encouraged as well as critiqued. If someone puts in their first shot to a challenge and they get seven comments that say "the lighting is terrible" "did you even try to focus" etc. they may just decide to blow this popsicle stand. But, if they get seven comments that say "I think the lighting needs work, here's what I would do ........" and "it needs to be sharper, maybe try manul focus next time because auto focus can let you down on these types of shots", the person is much more apt to stick around and learn some stuff.

Just my two cents.

Ivo

07/23/2012 03:25:10 PM · #180

Originally posted by tanguera:

I could either respond to you as follows:

You're an ass .... understanding ...... basic social skills, and ..... online video games with .... losers .... flaunting .... aberrations.

Or I could say:

Blah Blah Blah Blah ... lawyer speak ...Blah Blah ....Vote for me .... Thanks for your resume .... I hope your kitten likes it's new booties ....

First one is much more entertaining and provokes thought. ;-)

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

07/23/2012 03:35:27 PM · #181

Originally posted by chazoe:

Agree 100% with this.

JulietNN

Canon EOS-7D

07/23/2012 03:35:38 PM · #182

Someone for the love of chocolate, put a like button on DPC!!!

07/23/2012 03:36:59 PM · #183

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by tanguera:
I could either respond to you as follows:

You're an ass .... understanding ...... basic social skills, and ..... online video games with .... losers .... flaunting .... aberrations.

Or I could say:

Blah Blah Blah Blah ... lawyer speak ...Blah Blah ....Vote for me .... Thanks for your resume .... I hope your kitten likes it's new booties ....

First one is much more entertaining and provokes thought. ;-)

Ivo,

I'm almost certain you're just messing about. But I do disagree, we should never take the former tone, and always the latter, no matter what the content of our message.

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

07/23/2012 03:38:13 PM · #184

Originally posted by tanguera:

I dismiss the first as simple asshattery while rejecting the latter as excessivley verbose.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

07/23/2012 03:38:53 PM · #185

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Someone for the love of chocolate, put a like button on DPC!!!

hahaha!!! But which of these gems are you going to "like"? There's so many choices. :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/23/2012 03:40:37 PM · #186

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by tanguera:
I could either respond to you as follows:

You're an ass with a deplorable lack of understanding of even the most basic social skills, and should stick to playing online video games with other losers instead of flaunting your despicable insecurity by mocking common courtesy and civility as being a pathetically politically correct aberration.

Or I could say:

It does not appear you appreciate the importance of civil discourse. Yes, people have varying degrees of tolerance towards any sort of feedback, but everyone reacts to provocation, and I find that a many of your otherwuse valid comments are written in very provocative and intentionally hurtful language. We cannot be responsible for other people's perceptions, but we must take responsibility for our choice of words. You are neither assuming that responsibility, nor your part in problem.

I dismiss the first as simple asshattery while rejecting the latter as excessivley verbose.

Hehe.. I also agree with this. ;)

tanguera

Nikon D750

07/23/2012 04:32:57 PM · #187

Originally posted by Ivo:

I would argue that it is just plain provocative. And there is no discernible difference between those accused of having overly thin skin and those who refuse to make the slightest adjustment to their writing style to better serve the greater community.

Incidentally, you chose to quote me, then changed what I wrote. It is one or the other. That you heard "nice kittens, stupid fluff" are your thoughts, not mine.

Message edited by author 2012-07-23 16:34:15.

Ivo

07/23/2012 05:11:30 PM · #188

Originally posted by tanguera:

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by tanguera:
I could either respond to you as follows:

You're an ass .... understanding ...... basic social skills, and ..... online video games with .... losers .... flaunting .... aberrations.

Or I could say:

Blah Blah Blah Blah ... lawyer speak ...Blah Blah ....Vote for me .... Thanks for your resume .... I hope your kitten likes it's new booties ....

First one is much more entertaining and provokes thought. ;-)

I would argue that it is just plain provocative. And there is no discernible difference between those accused of having overly thin skin and those who refuse to make the slightest adjustment to their writing style to better serve the greater community.

Incidentally, you chose to quote me, then changed what I wrote. It is one or the other. That you heard "nice kittens, stupid fluff" are your thoughts, not mine.

Know what, you're right. I should have taken greater care when choosing to poke fun as it obviously has hurt your feelings. I guess I am far less sensitive to a little bit of poking than you and many others on this site. There is no argument my comment was plain provocative as that was my intention. If my assertions have in any w .. ay ...ri ...sputter ...

Aww crap ... I did not say "Nice Kittens", I said "New Booties for Kittens"!

Got some pretty nifty shots in your portfolio BTW. ;-)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/23/2012 05:34:10 PM · #189

Originally posted by tanguera:

The second part of what you wrote is twice as annoying as the first. I the first, the way you've written it, you're being an ass, but at least the feelings seem pure and I can understand your point. In the second part, you're tiptoing around saying what you feel so much that by the time I figure it out, I don't care.

tanguera

Nikon D750

07/23/2012 06:10:59 PM · #190

@ Ivo, thanks. Wish we could all just get back to photography. FWIW, my feelings were not hurt. Way beyond these petty games.

@ Spork99, no worries if you don't care. Apparently that's the problem.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/23/2012 06:14:46 PM · #191

Originally posted by tanguera:

@ Ivo, thanks. Wish we could all just get back to photography. FWIW, my feelings were not hurt. Way beyond these petty games.

@ Spork99, no worries if you don't care. Apparently that's the problem.

On the up side, it does seem that the forum activity has picked up nicely today. ;)

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

07/23/2012 06:20:46 PM · #192

And how soon will the thread be locked my some all knowing master?

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

07/23/2012 06:23:14 PM · #193

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

And how soon will the thread be locked my some all knowing master?

Gotta admit... I was a little surprised and miffed at that. The SC who took that action has always struck me as very reasonable, and I thought we had done a rather good job of getting that thread back on track without help... Clearly she disagreed for some reason.

*shrug*

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

07/23/2012 06:30:15 PM · #194

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:
And how soon will the thread be locked my some all knowing master?

Gotta admit... I was a little surprised and miffed at that. The SC who took that action has always struck me as very reasonable, and I thought we had done a rather good job of getting that thread back on track without help... Clearly she disagreed for some reason.

*shrug*

Naw. It was the right thing to do. Those of us who were not directly involved many times want to look for answers and feel the need to discuss something. But as ancientimages pointed out earlier in the thread, it's much more personal to those who are directly affected. And the comments may seem heartless and callous. Whereas everyone is allowed their opinions, and the discussion can be interesting. There are times where it's just not felt as appropriate. And I assume that the site council thought there was a better time and place for that discussion, and it's not here or now. I respect that decision.

Message edited by author 2012-07-23 18:30:53.

deeby

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/23/2012 08:51:02 PM · #195

Message edited by author 2012-07-24 16:17:33.

07/23/2012 08:58:26 PM · #196

Originally posted by tanguera:

@ Spork99, no worries if you don't care. Apparently that's the problem.

It's not that I don't care about what you think, it's that you invalidate your message by dancing around what you want to say instead of just saying it.

07/23/2012 09:00:06 PM · #197

Originally posted by deeby:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:
And how soon will the thread be locked my some all knowing master?

Gotta admit... I was a little surprised and miffed at that. The SC who took that action has always struck me as very reasonable, and I thought we had done a rather good job of getting that thread back on track without help... Clearly she disagreed for some reason.

*shrug*

Naw. It was the right thing to do. Those of us who were not directly involved many times want to look for answers and feel the need to discuss something. But as ancientimages pointed out earlier in the thread, it's much more personal to those who are directly affected. And the comments may seem heartless and callous. Whereas everyone is allowed their opinions, and the discussion can be interesting. There are times where it's just not felt as appropriate. And I assume that the site council thought there was a better time and place for that discussion, and it's not here or now. I respect that decision.

That thread was ugly. The guy had a break with reality and was acting more than a bit unhinged. The dignified thing to do is hide the mess from public view.

I think you're thinking about something altogether different.