Guns don't kill people - DPChallenge Forums

02/23/2012 11:26:38 AM · #101

So far i think we can safely say that the people on this thread who have guns do so because they want to be able to defend themselves from criminals, over here nobody does that and everything is A OK, that must surely mean that the insecurity your feeling comes from the much higher crime rates over there, in that context having a gun is a bit like putting a bandage on a wound that wont heal, finding the real cause of the higher criminality would be like taking the necessary medicine to heal the wound.

02/23/2012 11:26:54 AM · #102

Well, I wouldn't feel bad if I protected my children, my self, my family. If I killed someone because they broke into my house... well, then I guess the burglar's "day was up".

I do not intend to let a would be robber/rapist/murder decide my destiny for me.

JMO

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/23/2012 11:29:02 AM · #103

Originally posted by jagar:

Perhaps it is due to the higher crime rates here...
But criminals have guns.

Am I supposed to bring a knife to a gun fight? Am I supposed to try and "talk some sense" into this criminal?

I would much rather show them, "look, if this is your intention, this is your destiny".

Perhaps I wouldn't shoot the intruder. Perhaps I would hold them at gunpoint and call 911 and wait for them to respond.

I don't know... I'm not in that position, and hope never to be. But IF someone broke in here... I want the option to control the situation as best I can.

ETA: Isn't that part of what it's about? Intimidation and control and defense? Cops have guns. Why? For intimidation, control, and defense.

Message edited by author 2012-02-23 11:30:10.

robs

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02/23/2012 11:31:27 AM · #104

Lots of blah blah blah about blowing people away..... Mayve we should get some tape measures out and measure :shrug: I would hope there are few people that could do that in reality.... and if not then that's the real issue.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

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02/23/2012 11:31:46 AM · #105

Originally posted by jagar:

I have guns for a variety of reasons, only one of which is self defense.

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02/23/2012 11:33:49 AM · #106

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by jagar:
So far i think we can safely say that the people on this thread who have guns do so because they want to be able to defend themselves from criminals, over here nobody does that and everything is A OK, that must surely mean that the insecurity your feeling comes from the much higher crime rates over there, in that context having a gun is a bit like putting a bandage on a wound that wont heal, finding the real cause of the higher criminality would be like taking the necessary medicine to heal the wound.

I have guns for a variety of reasons, only one of which is self defense.

Exactly, that's what my husband would say. That being said, for me, I don't shoot for sport, I don't shoot at all, I am not a collector, but there is a gun in our home, and if the situation arose, I would like to know I could defend myself and kids if my husband was not here.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

02/23/2012 11:36:27 AM · #107

Originally posted by robs:

And an equal amount of blah blah about "I'd never carry/hold/look at/touch a gun because where I live there's no crim and everyone lives together in peace and harmony, holding hands and singing joyfully. Rainbows and unicorns..."

02/23/2012 11:37:45 AM · #108

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by robs:
Lots of blah blah blah about blowing people away..... Mayve we should get some tape measures out and measure :shrug: I would hope there are few people that could do that in reality.... and if not then that's the real issue.

And an equal amount of blah blah about "I'd never carry/hold/look at/touch a gun because where I live there's no crim and everyone lives together in peace and harmony, holding hands and singing joyfully. Rainbows and unicorns..."

+1

I want to live where there's unicorns and rainbows...

Ohh... and chocolate waterfalls!!!

02/23/2012 11:40:19 AM · #109

Originally posted by markwiley:

I agree that the rights granted by the US Constitution have been instrumental in shaping the country I love and a lifestyle and culture I deeply appreciate. I think rights such as the freedom of speech, religion, and press, and the right to assembly and petition the government are crucially important and should be protected at all costs. However, I strongly disagree regarding the right to bear arms. I understand the reason this right might have been necessary a couple hundred years ago, but this is a far different time. The guns in this country are not being used to deter a tyrannical government or repel an invasion. Handguns can be used in self defense, but they are much more likely to be used to commit a crime, misused in a dispute with neighbor or family, or in a tragic shooing of an innocent victim. Relatively free access to guns is currently doing far more harm than it is good.

i disagree, the main underlying point in the right to bear arms is that you dont have to depend on anyone to protect you or your belongings. Its not just owning the gun that's protected, its that you are allowed to USE it for your protection.

the underlying problem isn't the guns its who mainly uses them. taking away guns from law-abiding citizens wont do anything but make them feel unsafe and put them at a possible disadvantage.

using the argument that misusing a gun isn't a good reason to take away the right to own one. freedom of speech gets misused all the time, should we take that away too?

Message edited by author 2012-02-23 11:40:55.

nickyb

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02/23/2012 11:40:37 AM · #110

Originally posted by dyridings:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by robs:
Lots of blah blah blah about blowing people away..... Mayve we should get some tape measures out and measure :shrug: I would hope there are few people that could do that in reality.... and if not then that's the real issue.

And an equal amount of blah blah about "I'd never carry/hold/look at/touch a gun because where I live there's no crim and everyone lives together in peace and harmony, holding hands and singing joyfully. Rainbows and unicorns..."

+1

I want to live where there's unicorns and rainbows...

Ohh... and chocolate waterfalls!!!

can we get there a few hours before rollover? LOL

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/23/2012 11:43:18 AM · #111

Originally posted by dyridings:

+1

I want to live where there's unicorns and rainbows...

Ohh... and chocolate waterfalls!!!

yeah but then the oompaloompas are near. I'd feel safer with a gun in that fantasy land.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

02/23/2012 11:43:33 AM · #112

Greedily that last boot Assad NH st need at me.

Gah. Swype gone wild!

Anyway, hopefully that last bit about sunshine up the ass wasn't aimed at me. Never said nor implied there wasn't any crime. Merely indicated my personal preferences. Never said you couldn't have your guns. And DY, have you been trained in the proper use of you firearm? Always good to practice if you can.

For the record, I have been trained and have fired handguns before, and carried one daily for six months.

Message edited by author 2012-02-23 11:45:21.

FourPointX

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02/23/2012 11:46:24 AM · #113

mr. larson said it best

disassociation

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Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

02/23/2012 11:46:50 AM · #114

swords and bows/arrows are weapons designed to kill, right?

time to ban archery, kendo and fencing, i suppose.....

honestly, i believe that there are legitimate hunting and sport uses for guns. something i wasnt so sure of when i grew up in a country with much stricter gun laws than here in the USA. and i think that it is extremely important for children to have supervised safety training with them. where i lived as a child there is a LOT of water - the ocean, rivers, lakes, swimming pools... so every kid learns how to swim early on. teaching children to be safe around something they will see a lot seems to make sense to me.

i AM a firm believer in licensing though, at all ages, and restricting or banning certain types of weapons... NOBODY needs an AK-47 to shoot a deer or go target shooting.

02/23/2012 11:47:19 AM · #115

So in such a great country why is there so much crime? I'm not being cynical I'm just generally curious, one would think greatness would bring less crime.

02/23/2012 11:49:39 AM · #116

Originally posted by disassociation:

NOBODY needs an AK-47 to shoot a deer or go target shooting.

no but you need a CANON!

ba-dum, I'll be here all week.

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 APO DG Macro HSM for Nikon

02/23/2012 11:52:00 AM · #117

Originally posted by Melethia:

I sure have... my husband was a weapons instructor on Ft. Sill, Oklahoma for the US ARMY, and he was in the military for 15 years. I know exactly HOW to handle a weapon, HOW to shoot one.

Do I like guns? Not particularly. But I want to know I can defend myself as well (if the need arises).

meow

Nikon D7100

02/23/2012 11:52:18 AM · #118

say you live in the country and a bear was attacking your child, would you rather shoot him or try to hit him in the head with a hammer? If you don't have a gun it's bye,bye kiddooo!

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 APO DG Macro HSM for Nikon

02/23/2012 11:53:20 AM · #119

Originally posted by jagar:

So in such a great country why is there so much crime? I'm not being cynical I'm just generally curious, one would think greatness would bring less crime.

Because of our rights. If they banned the "right to bear arms" and all our other constitutional rights... it wouldn't be such a great country.

Osiris1975

Canon EOS-600D/T3 Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/23/2012 11:54:29 AM · #120

I always saw both sides of this debate, and find it hard to make up my mind.

My brother is a lawyer, and he had a client with a crazy father. He thought my brother was sleeping with his daughter, followed my brother to his house, and threatened him. My brother bought a gun because of this.

I think there are some serious issues to be dealt with when it comes to guns, though. A couple of years back, at a gun show, someone allowed (supposedly under supervision) a kid to handle an Uzi. The kid ended up killing himself. This was with adults around, in a situation that ought to be highly supervised.

What drives me crazy, is that in my state, guns are legal, but tasers and pepper spray are not legal.

meow

Nikon D7100

02/23/2012 11:55:31 AM · #121

Originally posted by dyridings:

Originally posted by jagar:
So in such a great country why is there so much crime? I'm not being cynical I'm just generally curious, one would think greatness would bring less crime.

Because of our rights. If they banned the "right to bear arms" and all our other constitutional rights... it wouldn't be such a great country.

AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!!!

02/23/2012 11:56:56 AM · #122

Originally posted by meow:

say you live in the country and a bear was attacking your child, would you rather shoot him or try to hit him in the head with a hammer? If you don't have a gun it's bye,bye kiddooo!

Who put the bear in the playground?

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 APO DG Macro HSM for Nikon

02/23/2012 11:58:34 AM · #123

Originally posted by jagar:

So in such a great country why is there so much crime? I'm not being cynical I'm just generally curious, one would think greatness would bring less crime.

crime is everywhere, but being a great country means people still want to go there. there is a reaon you dont see a mass exodus to the middle east or china.

meow

Nikon D7100

02/23/2012 11:59:02 AM · #124

Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by meow:
say you live in the country and a bear was attacking your child, would you rather shoot him or try to hit him in the head with a hammer? If you don't have a gun it's bye,bye kiddooo!

Who put the bear in the playground?

I don't know, you will have to ask the bear!