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03/01/2012 06:26:31 PM · #251 |
Originally posted by Flash:
... However - I believe you are asking for licensing for any ownership. That is a different matter to me, as you do not need a drivers license to buy or own a car. You need a license to drive one on public roads. Nearl all states that have laws allowing citizens to carry a handgun in public, also require training and licensing.
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Just to be the devil's advocate, owning a car and being limited to driving it in the back 40 seriously minimizes the risk that someone might get killed.
Similarly, if a person owns a firearm but fails to store it properly, the risk of someone getting injured is dramatically increased.
Do I own guns you ask.... yes, oodles of them.
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03/01/2012 06:30:00 PM · #252 |
I feel like excersising my right to bear arms.....I may just go out shooting this weekend. I love being able to own guns.
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03/01/2012 07:42:27 PM · #253 |
I own *NO* guns, yet I am in favor of my right to own them.
I also feel that there's no such thing as too much training with them.
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03/02/2012 05:51:42 PM · #254 |
I am trained by the US Army and rated expert in most military arms from M1/M14/M16 and Colt .45 pistol, 81mm morter, 105mm howitzer, 106mm recoilless rifle and the Davey Crockett, a field level nuclear weapon.
I personally enjoy guns for their construction, beauty and power, and have used shotguns, pistols, and rifles when living in rural Kentucky where there was space to use them. Now I'm in suburban NJ and find no practical place for them. They are dangerous and have no place around people especially in conjested environments.
In both civilian and military life, I've seen accidents causing injury and embarrassment among other "experts" the likes of which can only be avoided by nonuse. Everyone who owns one will of course assert, this can't happen to them, and then it does. Age and experience tells me that guns are a needlessly wreckless, unnecessary luxury in the presence of other people. As a minimum, there need to be some controls on carrying them in public. The current contrary trend is madness.
Military assault weapons in particular have no rational justification for being allowed into civilian hands. Why not simply allow every household to become a nuclear power and forever end the discussion by an inevitable, by accident or otherwise, self destruction? Constitutional rights or not, why not apply some common sense and start to manage this issue? |
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03/03/2012 05:18:43 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by tvsometime:
Military assault weapons in particular have no rational justification for being allowed into civilian hands. |
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process.
eta - from Wikipedia
"assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers."
Message edited by author 2012-03-03 17:27:54. |
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03/03/2012 05:25:49 PM · #256 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process. |
Emphasis added...
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03/03/2012 05:49:31 PM · #257 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process. |
Emphasis added... |
Not sure why the emphasis was needed. Assault rifles cannot be owned by citizens (except by special license), and to carry a concealed pistol in public requires a license (except in Vermont). Background checks, fingerprinting, training, etc are all part of these processes. |
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03/03/2012 06:01:02 PM · #258 |
I just did a quick search for AK-47:
Originally posted by Wikipedia (emphasis added):
Production history
Designer Mikhail Kalashnikov
Designed 1944–1947
Manufacturer Izhmash
Number built approximately 75 million AK-47
100 million AK-type rifles |
Perhaps more disturbing:
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03/03/2012 06:08:15 PM · #259 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process. |
Emphasis added... |
Not sure why the emphasis was needed. Assault rifles cannot be owned by citizens (except by special license), and to carry a concealed pistol in public requires a license (except in Vermont). Background checks, fingerprinting, training, etc are all part of these processes. |
You're fooling yourself badly if you don't believe there are thousands and thousands of these weapons floating around unregistered. Millions even. And THAT was my point. See GeneralE's post.
R.
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03/03/2012 06:18:22 PM · #260 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process. |
Emphasis added... |
Not sure why the emphasis was needed. Assault rifles cannot be owned by citizens (except by special license), and to carry a concealed pistol in public requires a license (except in Vermont). Background checks, fingerprinting, training, etc are all part of these processes. |
You're fooling yourself badly if you don't believe there are thousands and thousands of these weapons floating around unregistered. Millions even. And THAT was my point. See GeneralE's post.
R. |
Are you saying that there are thousands and thousands and even millions of Fully automatic weapons floating around? Are you talking here in the states? All over the world? Are you confusing semi-automatic AK "Type" (emphasis added) with military weapons? Not sure where you are going with this. |
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03/03/2012 06:21:47 PM · #261 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I just did a quick search for AK-47:
Originally posted by Wikipedia (emphasis added):
Production history
Designer Mikhail Kalashnikov
Designed 1944–1947
Manufacturer Izhmash
Number built approximately 75 million AK-47
100 million AK-type rifles |
Perhaps more disturbing:
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I don't get the point here - Search results kill people? |
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03/03/2012 06:36:58 PM · #262 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I just did a quick search for AK-47:
Originally posted by Wikipedia (emphasis added):
Production history
Designer Mikhail Kalashnikov
Designed 1944–1947
Manufacturer Izhmash
Number built approximately 75 million AK-47
100 million AK-type rifles |
Perhaps more disturbing:
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I don't get the point here - Search results kill people? |
well if the picture it takes you to is bad enough i guess it could burn out your eyes...
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03/03/2012 06:51:35 PM · #263 |
Here's some interesting reading... //www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
There was a study somewhere done during the Clinton administration that estimated the number of fully automatic illegal guns in the US at some really high number, like 2 million, but I can't find it now.
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03/03/2012 07:00:12 PM · #264 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Are you saying that there are thousands and thousands and even millions of Fully automatic weapons floating around? Are you talking here in the states? All over the world? Are you confusing semi-automatic AK "Type" (emphasis added) with military weapons? Not sure where you are going with this. |
It is true that fully automatic weapons are highly regulated. However, the semi-automatic weapons are readily obtainable, and so are the conversion kits that turn them into fully automatic weapons. There is no regulation of those kits.
R.
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03/03/2012 08:07:25 PM · #265 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Are you saying that there are thousands and thousands and even millions of Fully automatic weapons floating around? Are you talking here in the states? All over the world? Are you confusing semi-automatic AK "Type" (emphasis added) with military weapons? Not sure where you are going with this. |
It is true that fully automatic weapons are highly regulated. However, the semi-automatic weapons are readily obtainable, and so are the conversion kits that turn them into fully automatic weapons. There is no regulation of those kits.
R. |
Thanks for the clarification. A converted semi-automatic weapon to full auto is illegal. There are not thousands and thousands and even millions of semi-automatic weapons illegally converted to full auto in the US. |
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03/03/2012 08:13:20 PM · #266 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I just did a quick search for AK-47:
Originally posted by Wikipedia (emphasis added):
Production history
Designer Mikhail Kalashnikov
Designed 1944–1947
Manufacturer Izhmash
Number built approximately 75 million AK-47
100 million AK-type rifles |
Perhaps more disturbing:
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I don't get the point here - Search results kill people? |
I am depressed that such a search returns 224 million results. I am depressed that there is a website "AK-47 World" -- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible.
Message edited by author 2012-03-03 20:14:16. |
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03/03/2012 08:43:17 PM · #267 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I am depressed that such a search returns 224 million results. I am depressed that there is a website "AK-47 World" -- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible. |
Well this should cheer you up. (3,510,000,000 results)
eta: looks like the results change depending on who knows what. Still, 629 million. :) *My AK-47 search returned around 61M.
Message edited by author 2012-03-03 20:46:36. |
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03/03/2012 08:50:44 PM · #268 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Military assault rifles are fully automatic. Automatic weapons (as well as select fire) are severely restricted, require special licensing to own, and Federal agencies like BATF know where every licensed gun and owner are via their databases and approval process. |
Emphasis added... |
People that own guns to deliberately misuse them probably aren't going to care if there are laws in place governing licensing or not. |
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03/03/2012 09:31:40 PM · #269 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
-- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible. |
Perhaps a short course on military automatic rifles is in order.
1. They are designed for supressive fire.
2. Full automatic fire is very inaccurate.
3. The rounds typically wound rather than kill and are designed as such, as a wounded soldier removes 3 soldiers from the fight.
4. Efficient is not a word most would use to describe a military small arms rifle.
5. They are a battlefield tool used by soldiers to accomplish their mission.
6. There are not thousands and thousands and even millions of military full automatic rifles in US civilian hands. AK or otherwise. |
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03/03/2012 09:33:17 PM · #270 |
| OK, they are designed to maim/disable as many people as possible ... how progressive. |
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03/07/2012 01:29:44 PM · #271 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Are you saying that there are thousands and thousands and even millions of Fully automatic weapons floating around? Are you talking here in the states? All over the world? Are you confusing semi-automatic AK "Type" (emphasis added) with military weapons? Not sure where you are going with this. |
It is true that fully automatic weapons are highly regulated. However, the semi-automatic weapons are readily obtainable, and so are the conversion kits that turn them into fully automatic weapons. There is no regulation of those kits.
R. |
Those kits are absolutely illegal, as is any mechanism that speed up semi-autos by "bump firing" the trigger. It's also illegal to make the parts to convert a semi auto to full auto unless you are a firearms manufacturer licensed to make full-auto firearms.
Message edited by author 2012-03-07 16:19:27. |
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03/07/2012 04:21:02 PM · #272 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
OK, they are designed to maim/disable as many people as possible ... how progressive. |
No, not just random people, enemy soldiers/combatants. |
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03/07/2012 04:58:18 PM · #273 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I am depressed that such a search returns 224 million results. I am depressed that there is a website "AK-47 World" -- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible. |
Well this should cheer you up. (3,510,000,000 results)
eta: looks like the results change depending on who knows what. Still, 629 million. :) *My AK-47 search returned around 61M. |
It doesn't look like Paul is using Google. His screenshot says "enhanced by Google" so if he's using another search engine that uses Google for part or all of its results then the results will be completely different. Also, when you search on Google you may get completely different results than from someone else using the same engine since Google will factor in your location as part of the search. |
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03/07/2012 05:09:54 PM · #274 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I am depressed that such a search returns 224 million results. I am depressed that there is a website "AK-47 World" -- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible. |
Well this should cheer you up. (3,510,000,000 results)
eta: looks like the results change depending on who knows what. Still, 629 million. :) *My AK-47 search returned around 61M. |
It doesn't look like Paul is using Google. His screenshot says "enhanced by Google" so if he's using another search engine that uses Google for part or all of its results then the results will be completely different. Also, when you search on Google you may get completely different results than from someone else using the same engine since Google will factor in your location as part of the search. |
Yeah, my point was that the number of search results returned for a particular phrase is meaningless and yet it is often cited lately as having some significance. On the other hand, it does have me questioning my own sexual orientation (About 574,000,000 results). |
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03/07/2012 07:23:17 PM · #275 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I am depressed that such a search returns 224 million results. I am depressed that there is a website "AK-47 World" -- as if we need to exalt a device which has as its sole purpose the killing of as many people as efficiently and quickly as possible. |
Well this should cheer you up. (3,510,000,000 results)
eta: looks like the results change depending on who knows what. Still, 629 million. :) *My AK-47 search returned around 61M. |
It doesn't look like Paul is using Google. His screenshot says "enhanced by Google" so if he's using another search engine that uses Google for part or all of its results then the results will be completely different. Also, when you search on Google you may get completely different results than from someone else using the same engine since Google will factor in your location as part of the search. |
Yeah, my point was that the number of search results returned for a particular phrase is meaningless and yet it is often cited lately as having some significance. On the other hand, it does have me questioning my own sexual orientation (About 574,000,000 results). |
Interesting how it brings up a page called "is Paul Simon gay"? Google thinks you're Garfunkel... |
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