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10/06/2008 09:39:51 PM · #1 |
Only 2 of the last 9 ribbon winners have 7+ scores. Seem to remember a majority of '6' shots being on the front page the week before as well. Unusual? Warranted? Evidence of treachery?
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10/06/2008 09:52:44 PM · #2 |
Cranky-ass voters, that's what. Economy sucks, politicians harping at each other, summer's over, etc. Watch those scores 'round Thanksgiving and Xmastime. Bet we see some of those "7+ no ribbon" entries.
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10/07/2008 03:36:12 AM · #3 |
| This week we've seen the best of times (Free Study) and the worst of times (Pajamas). |
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10/07/2008 04:41:54 AM · #4 |
The real reason is that the previous challenge scores were artificially inflated. Too many voters tossing out 10's like candy. It was only a matter of time before the bubble burst and now we are just seeing the collective scoring correct itself.
Times is tough all over. :(
edit to say I was just joking (except about the tough times). I really have no idea what's up with the scores.
Message edited by author 2008-10-07 04:43:16. |
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10/21/2008 12:17:15 AM · #5 |
If you're among those that are really getting hit hard by the deflationary score environment lately, I heard you can hedge against further point drops by buying "score default swaps" from AIG...
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10/21/2008 12:20:10 AM · #6 |
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10/21/2008 12:31:01 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
The real reason is that the previous challenge scores were artificially inflated. Too many voters tossing out 10's like candy. It was only a matter of time before the bubble burst and now we are just seeing the collective scoring correct itself.
Times is tough all over. :(
edit to say I was just joking (except about the tough times). I really have no idea what's up with the scores. |
You're joking? I was hoping for a bailout package chock full of 10s. :(
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 00:31:54.
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10/21/2008 12:39:01 AM · #8 |
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11/04/2008 12:41:41 AM · #9 |
This is why we should not take score postings too seriously.... On reading this I was irritated beyond belief for days: thinking that my "pathetic" score was therefore so far off the radar, that I might as well pull my picture (which I didn't and for that I am grateful). Whose to know?
Poverty Challenge:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Votes: 108
Views: 629
Avg Vote: 8.1037
Comments: 24
Favorites: 8
Wish Lists: 3
Updated: 10/23/08 06:34 pm
I am going to freak out if this holds past roll over! |
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12/03/2008 08:11:04 AM · #10 |
Really I'd love to know just what's happening to the voting at the moment. Not trying to take anything away from the top scorers (in fact quite the reverse), but Backlighting IV was won with a 6.69 and  IreneM received 17 votes under 5.
This ->  is one of the best shots I've seen on this site for a while and it finishes on a 6.66?
There are so many shots that finished below a 4 that really didn't deserve to, obviously voting is subjective and people have the right to an opinion but thinking about voting something a 1, as in the worst level of photo you have ever seen, or a 2 or 3 just seems a bit negative to me.
I didn't finish well -  151st - and I know that there were possibly one or two lighting issues I needed to sort on my shot, but with the score I got I honestly thought I'd finish waay down the list.
21 votes of 1, 2 or 3? Not the greatest photo I'll admit but I honestly thought this could be a 5.8er.
Rant completed! ;-) |
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12/03/2008 08:15:23 AM · #11 |
Well, 1s are reserved for DNMC and nudity shots IMO... Otherwise, I rarely go below a 4 on voting. |
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12/03/2008 08:27:36 AM · #12 |
I didn't see much in the Backlighting challenge that I would call average until I got into the very low 5's. Almost everything that came in above a 5.2 appealed to me, and a lot that came in under that score as well.
Maybe the standards have gotten so high here, that even good photography gets mediocre vote averages. Maybe many people are finding their preferences and that is causing the high votes to be spread around more evenly. I know in my case, I am less impressed by bold colors and HDR than I used to be. Such images will still get a good vote, but not the top end votes I used to give them. I am also giving better votes on abstract and humorous entries as I find those appeal to me. The "broad appeal" factor is getting harder to hit.
Always use the comments, and voting breakdown chart to interpret how you really did after a challenge. Anything that comes in over a 5.5 is either pretty darn good or had something unique about it.
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12/03/2008 08:28:43 AM · #13 |
My photo  finnished 5th with 6.5366.
On the second day of voting it got up to 7.2 As you can imagine I was over the moon. But then from Thursday midday on the score plummeted all the way down to 6.3!
My score curve is pretty flat.
10 x 10
17 x 9.
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2 x 1
and 7 x 2! Holy SH! So many people thought it was that bad! |
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12/03/2008 08:29:14 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Well, 1s are reserved for DNMC and nudity shots IMO... Otherwise, I rarely go below a 4 on voting. |
Tasteful nudes are a powerful form of expression and have been in religious and non-religious works of art for thousands of years. To automatically discount them as unacceptable is a travesty and an insult to generations of the artistic genius. |
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12/03/2008 08:31:27 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Well, 1s are reserved for DNMC and nudity shots IMO... Otherwise, I rarely go below a 4 on voting. |
There's the explanation right there. Everyone has their own kookie approach to voting. There are probably people who reserve 1s for DNMCs and pigeons. Or only give 1s to the colour red and clowns.
I wouldn't sweat the numbers, they don't mean much other than popularity anyway. |
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12/03/2008 08:33:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by aKiwi:
My photo finnished 5th with 6.5366.
On the second day of voting it got up to 7.2 As you can imagine I was over the moon. But then from Thursday midday on the score plummeted all the way down to 6.3!
My score curve is pretty flat.
10 x 10
17 x 9.
But
2 x 1
and 7 x 2! Holy SH! So many people thought it was that bad! |
This is exactly what I mean - it just seems unnecessary, that there are so many low votes for work that clearly meets the challenge and is technically competant.
Nice shot btw! |
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12/03/2008 08:34:44 AM · #17 |
I know it's not the best shot in the world but...
4.2? Really?
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12/03/2008 08:39:23 AM · #18 |
I don't know if this has been said before but I personally wonder if there has been a huge influx of new members who have yet to figure out what DPC voters expect or vote higher on, when they see their scores at 3.x / 4.x they think they need to vote low, now I am not saying every new member is doing this, but in the past when I have received a low vote I have sometimes looked at who is online and voting and the above theory certainly holds up on what I have seen. The last few weeks I have had my scores switched off so haven't seen what's been happening.
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12/03/2008 08:39:31 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
21 votes of 1, 2 or 3? Not the greatest photo I'll admit but I honestly thought this could be a 5.8er.
Rant completed! ;-) |
Some have way different criteria when evaluating. I gave your entry a 5. I reserve a 3 for the average snapshot that my mom or wife would take, and 2 for something really lousy.
I did get some interesting and conflicting feedback on some of my own low scoring gag entries. (no names) One member said he gave a particular entry a 2 because it met the challenge but lacked "artistic intent", in his opinion. (Maybe. My intent was to entertain and get a few chuckles!) Another member in a recent PM conversation said that my humorous entries are an expression of myself. Doesn't such personal expression count as artistic? Two very different viewpoints and probably both equally valid. Just an example that may help illustrate how some decent entries get low votes. I wish the low voters would leave feedback explaining why they give the low vote. Maybe they assume you already know how bad it is? I suspect many of them don't participate in the forums, and some others have gotten nasty PM's, so they no longer comment. |
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12/03/2008 08:45:06 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Well, 1s are reserved for DNMC and nudity shots IMO... Otherwise, I rarely go below a 4 on voting. |
Tasteful nudes are a powerful form of expression and have been in religious and non-religious works of art for thousands of years. To automatically discount them as unacceptable is a travesty and an insult to generations of the artistic genius. |
I wouldn't vote for them at all if the voting system would respect the adult content filter DURING voting.
But just because something's been done for thousands of years does not make it publicly proper for viewing. (DISCLAIMER: Stating my views, not trying to alter anyone else's)
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12/03/2008 08:53:30 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But just because something's been done for thousands of years does not make it publicly proper for viewing. |
Quick, someone get the Statue of David a fig leaf. |
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12/03/2008 09:16:21 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
21 votes of 1, 2 or 3? Not the greatest photo I'll admit but I honestly thought this could be a 5.8er.
Rant completed! ;-) |
Some have way different criteria when evaluating. I gave your entry a 5. I reserve a 3 for the average snapshot that my mom or wife would take, and 2 for something really lousy.
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The problem with the 10 point rating scale we use is that a score of 5 is actually in the lower half of possible scores, while a 6 is in the upper half. This is a "forced choice" set up when there are an even number of rankings. My guess is that when people give a score of 5 they are intending to say the photo is a "neutral" or midpoint photo, but they haven't really thought that a 5 is actually in the lower half of possible scores.
Two solutions to this problem.
1) Make the rating scale a 9 point (odd)scale which then makes a score of 5 a "neutral" score.
2) Give definitions to the numbers. For instance 1=DNMC/worst, 3=needs work, 5=neutral, 7=very good, 9=one of the best.
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12/03/2008 09:19:08 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But just because something's been done for thousands of years does not make it publicly proper for viewing. |
Quick, someone get the Statue of David a fig leaf. |
Not a bad idea since David wasn't a Roman in the first place and doubtfully frolicked in the nude. |
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12/03/2008 09:22:16 AM · #24 |
| i think people are very harsh with there voteing these days hah |
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12/03/2008 09:29:25 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Really I'd love to know just what's happening to the voting at the moment. Not trying to take anything away from the top scorers (in fact quite the reverse), but Backlighting IV was won with a 6.69 and IreneM received 17 votes under 5. |
On the second day of the challenge (last Thursday) my score went from 7.2 to 6.5 in 2 hours and that's where it stayed till last night when I went to bed. I was amazed that it nearly went to 6.7 in the eight hours I slept ;-) |
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