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10/24/2008 03:12:42 PM · #326 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
HEY!!! That's your blog! |
Uh â€Â¦ my people will get back to on that. |
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10/24/2008 03:23:34 PM · #327 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I guess it takes a lot of lipstick to make a pitbull pretty. |
I wonder how much it costs to dress a moose? ;-) |
From these "candid" photos, apparently less than Fearless Leader ... |
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10/24/2008 03:28:56 PM · #328 |
The contrasting tax plans. A lot of chromatic aberration here between the blue and the red;-)
Message edited by author 2008-10-24 15:29:11. |
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10/24/2008 04:10:53 PM · #329 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Mistakes were made, but there has really been no admission......instead, the rhetoric is that she's proud of her daughter making the choice to raise the baby. |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
So you are saying it's a good idea for mom and grandma to publicly call this yet to be born kid a mistake. Put it on the cover of the new york times? |
No, I said what I meant, and meant what I said:
That's not my point.......not that I am ever able to express myself well......8>)
It's the apperance, and the holier-than-thou attitude that the woman has with this hanging over her in her own home.
Too much of what she has to say on the issue is rationale, and really doesn't stand up because of this situation.
She made it a religious issue about right to life instead of acknowledging that there are problems in her home.
Mistakes were made, but there has really been no admission......instead, the rhetoric is that she's proud of her daughter making the choice to raise the baby.
Sorry, Sarah, but your kid messed up, and whether she has the baby or chooses to terminate is not the issue, she made a mistake.
BTW, Palin campaigned AGAINST sex education in her 2006 gubernatorial run.
I have a problem with this woman offering herself up as a paragon of family values.
She is not. |
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10/24/2008 04:16:50 PM · #330 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
There are soooooooooooo many better reasons to not want Palin as VP (or as P).
Kids make mistakes no matter how great, or not great, their parents are. |
Again......the point is not whether or not the kid made a mistake......my point is that with an all too common occurrence, which was easily preventable, instead of quietly moving on, she talks about how proud that she is that the daughter is doing the right thing by marrying the father and raising the child.
Most Christians that really tout the moral stance are going to wonder what this good Christian child is doing having premarital sex in the first place, right?
This is NOT the person, nor the time, to be discussing how fine and upstanding her home is relative to family values on any level.
Someone already used the lipstick on a pit bull analogy......I think it's appropriate for the spin they're trying to put on the situation.
I'm not saying that anyone has to make a public announcement that they made a mistake, I just have a problem with hypocrites. |
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10/24/2008 04:26:22 PM · #331 |
| As one of these images points out, the episode of Joe the Plumber has finally exposed the crack in McCain's campaign ... |
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10/24/2008 04:28:34 PM · #332 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
There are soooooooooooo many better reasons to not want Palin as VP (or as P).
Kids make mistakes no matter how great, or not great, their parents are. |
Again......the point is not whether or not the kid made a mistake......my point is that with an all too common occurrence, which was easily preventable, instead of quietly moving on, she talks about how proud that she is that the daughter is doing the right thing by marrying the father and raising the child.
Most Christians that really tout the moral stance are going to wonder what this good Christian child is doing having premarital sex in the first place, right?
This is NOT the person, nor the time, to be discussing how fine and upstanding her home is relative to family values on any level.
Someone already used the lipstick on a pit bull analogy......I think it's appropriate for the spin they're trying to put on the situation.
I'm not saying that anyone has to make a public announcement that they made a mistake, I just have a problem with hypocrites. |
It's akin to the neo-con position on gay rights and Cheney's lesbian daughter. |
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10/24/2008 04:32:30 PM · #333 |
I would say she's not exactly the poster child for abstinence only education and in my mind that's what makes her daughters 6 month bump fair game. The press and the Obama camp have been very nice not to go there AND I am 1,000,000% certain if his daughter were pregnant, the mud would be flying thick. I'm sure Palin herself would be throwing the largest heaps.
Message edited by author 2008-10-24 18:19:12. |
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10/24/2008 08:38:39 PM · #334 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMM yeah. Isolationism. That's worked so well in the past. |
It has worked quite well for China, don't you think?
But.................0nly an idiot would draw that conclusion from the few words I wrote. |
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10/24/2008 08:45:07 PM · #335 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMM yeah. Isolationism. That's worked so well in the past. |
It has worked quite well for China, don't you think?
But.................0nly an idiot would draw that conclusion from the few words I wrote. |
Owning 1/3 of the US national debt doesn't sound like they're very isolated to me, even if you leave out the Olympics® ... |
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10/24/2008 09:00:52 PM · #336 |
| some folks are so short sighted |
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10/24/2008 09:29:48 PM · #337 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMM yeah. Isolationism. That's worked so well in the past. |
It has worked quite well for China, don't you think?
But.................0nly an idiot would draw that conclusion from the few words I wrote. |
Originally posted by David Ey:
We need to shrink out government to about five percent of what it is and elect leaders who will protect American industry, support our independance and protect our borders while staying out of other countries affairs. |
There are two key elements to Isolationism.
1. Non-interventionism
2. Economic Protectionism
Both of which you propose in the above.
Only an idiot would post such a thing and NOT know what he was talking about. Oh wait, that's you, isn't it?
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10/24/2008 09:30:08 PM · #338 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
some folks are so short sighted |
And others are blind. |
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10/24/2008 10:59:00 PM · #339 |
| Enough with the flame baiting and I mean everyone that is doing this should take a week off from the forums and relax. |
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10/25/2008 08:25:04 AM · #340 |
| Please refrain from personal attacks, thanks. |
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10/25/2008 08:50:20 AM · #341 |
Every time I hear arguments about protectionism it sounds more like a name calling debate than a real consideration of the issues, & the part that sounds stupid to me is when people throw out protectionism as an all or nothing proposition. It's not.
Calling for the modification of trade agreements to include some reasonable expectations that protect US jobs is not strict protectionisms as it is being demonized. I'd agree that it is *more* protectionist than a truly free-trade agreement would be, but it is far from stark, hard line protectionism.
People using these debates to demonize 'protectionists' are often being way too anti-protectionist. If you remember Ross Perot, you'll remember he was mocked mercilessly as a protectionist for saying that there would be a giant sucking sound of jobs going to mexico if NAFTA passed. He argued that because the wage imbalance between the US and Mexico was so great we would see companies quickly closing factories in the US to open new ones in Mexico.
Looking back, Perot was the smartest guy in the room on economics during those debates, and you know who needed a little bit of protection back then? Hundreds of thousands of workers & their families in states like Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, & Florida among others that make stuff like cars, clothes, electronics and textiles. Be sure to notice how many of those states above are swing states and how a couple of them are traditionally republican states now surprisingly leaning Obama.
(ETA: each of those states has lost at least 20,000 NAFTA related job losses)
And what about "protectionist" foreign policy? Was it protectionism when we didn't interfere with the Hutu militia slaughtering nearly a million Tutsis in Rwanda? Or is it only protectionism if we don't want the US to be in a country like Iraq that didn't have WMDs and didn't attack the US on 9/11, but it sure has a great deal of oil under the sand? We are certainly not such an anti-protectionist country that we are willing to intervene in every world problem.
I'm just trying to point out that throwing out "protectionist" as an ad hominem attack skirts the real question about where our policies should be. No one (I hope) is seriously arguing for the US to be 100% protectionist or 100% anti-protectionist. Here in Michigan I believe Obama is proposing a swing away from the anti-protectionist side that could help salvage what's left of my state's sinking economy and I'm also hopeful that he will not be so cavalier in using US forces abroad.
Message edited by author 2008-10-25 08:57:17. |
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10/25/2008 09:24:04 AM · #342 |
"... Andy, Henry and I love America."
Really fun clip of director Ron Howard and friends explaining why they will vote for Obama.
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10/25/2008 10:04:51 AM · #343 |
Originally posted by citymars:
"... Andy, Henry and I love America."
Really fun clip of director Ron Howard and friends explaining why they will vote for Obama. |
I just watched the first one and laughed throughout. Not from what they were saying but from how they looked and the memories it brought back. thanks |
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10/25/2008 10:17:54 AM · #344 |
Everyone knows about Powell supporting Obama at this point. (you know how those Arabs stick together ...right?)
Well now there's a new round of defectors from the right and more interesting from the super far right.
Scott McClellan Bush's former Press Secretary. That's gotta hurt.
Former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts
The big enchilada is Christopher Hitchens, Uber Neocon who said "it was his moral and intellectual duty to support Barack Obama". Hitchens goes as far as saying he believes McCain is "borderline senile" and that Palins "conduct has been a national disgrace".
"Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear had to feel sorry for the old lion on his last outing and wish that he could be taken somewhere soothing and restful before the night was out. The train-wreck sentences, the whistlings in the pipes, the alarming and bewildered handhold phrases—"My friends"—to get him through the next 10 seconds."
Message edited by author 2008-10-25 17:41:08. |
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10/25/2008 10:20:36 AM · #345 |
Originally posted by citymars:
"... Andy, Henry and I love America."
Really fun clip of director Ron Howard and friends explaining why they will vote for Obama. |
Wow, that was trippy. Hearing Andy Griffith utter "butterfly ballott" is weird. Funny to see those fellows in their old roles. Thanks. |
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10/26/2008 12:45:53 PM · #346 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by citymars:
"... Andy, Henry and I love America."
Really fun clip of director Ron Howard and friends explaining why they will vote for Obama. |
Wow, that was trippy. Hearing Andy Griffith utter "butterfly ballott" is weird. Funny to see those fellows in their old roles. Thanks. |
This is a wonderful example of intelligent people making the wrong decision. Boy, you would think that all intelligent people would think like me. Showmanship obviously counts for more than experience to a lot of Americans.
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10/26/2008 12:57:09 PM · #347 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
That was the original point. Why is it so hard to simply recognize this as a fact? |
It is your opinion, not fact, that is why. |-} |
I know.... I was just having a little fun with you guys. |
Well yea we dont need another president who will have a lil more 'fun' with the country and the rest of the world. This is not South Park.. this is serious business. |
It's very serious business. It just amazes me how upset people become when you don't agree with them. Serious, yes, but it shouldn't lead to the kind of anger that I get from some. I do find it amusing to a certain degree when people are so uptight about their positions that to them there really is no room for other intelligent opinions. They truly are convinced that everyone should indeed think like them. |
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10/26/2008 01:15:46 PM · #348 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Prash:
True, but there are mistakes (like flunking a class or getting in a bad fight), and then there are big mistakes: the ones that are life changing (like getting pregnant prematurely). It is OK to make little mistakes.. they are good learning experiences. But if kids are making such big mistakes, and then one says 'kids always make mistakes no matter what', I am sorry that comes out as a bad excuse when there is something lacking in parenting. |
Yeah, I have some trouble with writing off the total lack of good influence with the "Kids will be kids" rationale.
I realize that you can't run their lives, goodness knows, but things of this magnitude are something that you can't just throw your hands up in the air, or try and brush off the responsibility.
Originally posted by Prash:
I would rather agree to "Yes.. kids do make mistakes... but it is parent's responsibility (read the word responsibility) to make sure they find good moral examples to realise what is good and bad on their own." Whats important here is the part about them realising what is good/bad on their own. One cannot say one thing and do another... or force one's values unto them. Agreed it is difficult to set a moral ground as a parent until they reach an age where they have good discretionary abilities (which is around 18 yrs by research)... and kids do make mistakes... but such mistakes shouldnt cost them their life or career. In short, we need better parenting. It is very easy to shrug off a difficult situation with our teens and assume that things will be better next morning.. but it takes some courage to become a good example yourself and then let them see what makes more sense. |
I just hope that I'm a good enough example for my daughter. |
I think you hit the nail on the head with your last statement. The problem with kids today is not always the examples and teachings learned in the family setting. It's caused by our society at large setting an extremely bad example of what adulthood means: promiscuous pre-marital sex, Pornography is ok, violence is glorified. Societal norms just aren't what they used to be and we sink lower and lower each year. Nothing is taboo anymore. Morality is a personal choice and not a matter of right and wrong but always shades of gray. It is IMPOSSIBLE as a parent to control what their children are taught by their friends, MTV, the internet, and on and on. Even if you control these things in your own home they will have access at their friends home whose parents do not share your values. What we are missing here is individual responsibility for actions. Sarah Palin has been a great role model for her kids... look at all that she has accomplished. It wasn't enough and maybe considering all that kids are bombarded with these days it never could have been with this particular child. Her child made the wrong decision and not her mother. |
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10/26/2008 01:34:16 PM · #349 |
So let's shut down the internet and keep our kids in cages until we've brainwashed them into thinking that religion is the only way and that sex, porn, instinctual attraction, is all the devil's work and should be shunned and frowned upon.
There's nothing bad out there dp, it's your interpretations that make them bad. You always come in here with your condescending views about how our world is so messed up but offer no solutions except to blame parents, schools, the government and anyone who is not religious for the alleged problems kids are having.
Sarah Palin has been a great role model for her kids..
So then why is her teenage daughter pregnant? Oh wait, she got pregnant from the internet... |
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10/26/2008 02:12:19 PM · #350 |
Very interesting and funny.
Here |
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