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08/27/2008 10:42:47 PM · #226 |
It has been a wild ride for me. I hope I stay above my average.
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 00:22:19. |
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08/27/2008 10:45:37 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
 Prash here is the way I see it, the best "How I vote" criteria on this site I believe comes from  zeuszen:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
(From previous threads)
This is how I try (very hard) to vote
1 > a technically (focus, exposure, balance, effects, lighting, sharpening, saturation, colour, cast, evidence of artifacts etc.) incompetent photo or an entirely unintelligible one (sometimes due to image size), an 'offensive' one to civilized nature or (even) a technically apt photo which 'clearly' demonstrates a 'failure of feeling'
2 > a technically lacking photo with little or no perceptible artistic (choice of subject, composition, perspective, manner, emotional energy and range, etc.) merit or interest, even when generously considered; a somewhat 'offensive' photo or a gross and inappropriate sentimentalization of feeling in the context of the challenge; the pursuit of cliché without room for even a latent interpretation (irony, allegory, metaphor etc.)
3 > a photo of mixed or questionable merit, both artistically and technically; a technically 'acceptable' one without marked artistic or journalistic interest; a sentimental or symptomatically 'commercialized' image designed to 'sell' a product or (worse! -of a person) of reasonable or considerable technical merit; a potentially 'interesting' or 'promising' photo (subject matter/perspective) with 'severe' technical flaws and/or without 'clear' intent or direction; a technically flawless image void of emotion and lacking sensory stimuli
4 > a 'pretty' photo reminiscent of many; an otherwise captivating image with one or more clearly distracting elements, either within the capture itself or via border and/or title; a technically accomplished photo relying predominantly on an idea, subject and/or title for impact; an artistically 'promising' capture with clearly noticeable technical defects, compositional issues or incongruous aesthetics; a technically 'stunning' capture otherwise bare of 'feeling' or aesthetic 'sense'
5 > a 'good' photo by most standards; one that communicates capably without necessarily teaching or exhilarating us; an artistically interesting photo pointing an unusual view, perspective or matter, even if it suffers from distinct technical 'flaws'; a technically 'stunning' capture with limiting human or artistic 'range'
6 > a remarkable image, well executed by most standards while allowing for some technical shortcomings not easily prevented or corrected; an ordinary or simple shot, perfectly timed or 'found' that tells an old story in a new way; a very personal take, a 'fresh' controversy with commotive qualities, but aesthetically 'exciting'; an image imitative within a 'classic' fashion, but well executed (i.e. landscape/portrait etc.)
7 > an outstanding photograph fit for both study and pleasure, while allowing for minor technical shortcomings, an accomplished imitation of a mode of seeing or rendering drawn or alluding to another medium including enduring snapshots or candids of remarkable human interest
8 > same as 7, but one that stimulates awareness and taxes the senses, technically accomplished, with near-imperceptible flaws, if not entirely flawless; clearly 'innovative' photographs pointing a little known interest, direction or delight
9 > same as 8, technically without a fault, but a photo which commotes 'perceived' reality to the point of restlessness and action
10 > an enduring photo that challenges the order of gods and the world, one holding its own alongside any other.
On (Challenge) Topicality
Limiting potentially immeasurable choices to a defined subject or a chosen category of photography, really, should stimulate creativity, not hamper it. Topics, IMO, are or should be there for the benefit of the photographer, not for the untaxed glee of some voters swinging a bat.
I do not penalize entries for failing to meet the challenge. I may award a higher score to a unique interpretation or to a finesse I recognize, but I cannot, in good conscience, penalize something or someone for a fault that may lie within me and not with a picture.
I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate. If I consider the photo remarkable (artistically very interesting), I may just decide to award the highest mark possible in the faint hope to compensate for a predictably overall devaluation. |
In my mind when he votes an image a 5 it might as well be a 10 by site standards but he has earned my deepest respect by showing discipline and consistency in his method. He also has a portfolio full of art so you can see where he is coming from. Same goes for our friend  violinist123.
Me? I use more of the scale but I try to stay disciplined and fair when voting on the images in front of me. Welcome and be true to you. |
Thank you for the advice, appreciate it!
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08/27/2008 10:47:34 PM · #228 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Looks like I have a bunch of company in this range...
Votes: 71
Views: 97
Avg Vote: 4.3239
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0 |
I am not too far behind..but I am happy I gave more than I got. hehe.
Avg Vote Cast: 4.8952
Votes Received: 63
Avg Vote Received: 4.3333
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08/28/2008 12:07:19 AM · #229 |
Originally posted by SDW:
It has been a wild ride for me. I hope I stay above my average.
Here's my vote breakdown
[thumb]714972[/thumb] |
Yep, same here but even wilder. Since 40 votes I've been from 5.7 up to 6.0 and now back to:
Votes: 69
Views: 98
Avg Vote: 5.6667
Comments: 2
I just finished voting. I can't remember the last time I voted 100% on a 300+ image challenge. I ended up with more high scores than I can remember, too. My average vote was above 5.9, with several new faves.
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08/28/2008 01:17:49 AM · #230 |
Last check before bed (at 6am hehe)
Votes: 75
Views: 103
Avg Vote: 4.2933
Comments: 1
Dropped a bit. Here's hoping it'll be up when I'm in 3 hours.
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08/28/2008 01:22:35 AM · #231 |
Mine is still about the same:
Avg Vote Cast: 4.8952
Votes Received: 67
Avg Vote Received: 4.3433
Still no comments. Good Night:-) |
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08/28/2008 06:51:45 AM · #232 |
Originally posted by SDW:
It has been a wild ride for me. I hope I stay above my average.
Here's my vote breakdown
[thumb]714972[/thumb] |
Hey SDW, how do you gain access to see the voting breakdown?
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08/28/2008 06:59:58 AM · #233 |
Originally posted by Alain:
Votes: 67
Views: 95
Avg Vote: 5.2687
Comments: 1
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/27/08 10:18 pm
Made a slow climb all day... and even got a Fav :) |
Looks like Alain will be getting the beers in
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08/28/2008 08:20:40 AM · #234 |
Votes: 78
Views: 129
Avg Vote: 5.8846
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/28/08 07:40 am
Overall very happy, although yesterday it peaked a 6.2 and I got very excited, but it did not last.
As for the voting scales. I use the full range. There are generally enough blurry/poorly lit/strangely composed and DNMC ("Did Not Meet Challenge" - the definition and scoring of which has generated whole loads of threads in every DPC forum) photos to fill in the 1-3 part of the scale. My 4-10 scoring generally follows the ideas that others have already discussed. I have a pretty low average vote (4.3) as I take a narrower interpretation of what constitutes DMNC than most voters. I have given 1's or 2's to top 10 finishers in the past (never IreneM!). If it is an "Apple Challenge" and you take the world's greatest "Orange" picture, I give it a "1". Some deduct 1-3 points for DNMC and give it a "7" or "8" since it is such a great photo. Others just vote on quality of the photo and ignore the challenge topic. No hard and fast rules, everyone gets to use their own judgement. I comment on the first 20% of the photos in the order come up, to try and spread the comments around more randomly. Some comment on 100% for certain challenges. Others almost never comment.
Have fun welcome to the site.
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08/28/2008 08:28:49 AM · #235 |
Originally posted by Leenie:
Originally posted by SDW:
It has been a wild ride for me. I hope I stay above my average.
Here's my vote breakdown
[thumb]714972[/thumb] |
Hey SDW, how do you gain access to see the voting breakdown? |
At first I was entering the info my self and letting excel do the calculations. But now, with the help of a programmer, I have a vote analysis tool running in the background so that when I click the update button it auto loads votes and currents score along with time of vote and other info that I have blurred out.
Makes it easy, while on dpc I have the spreadsheet in the background and the program in my systray. One click of the update button and all info is filled in for me. If more than on vote is cast between updates it gives me an average vote and the times they were cast along with other info. Pretty neat! |
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08/28/2008 10:42:35 AM · #236 |
Votes: 77
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 5.7143
Comments: 1
Looks like it's settled in about there.
Some really good shots in the gallery.
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08/28/2008 10:45:03 AM · #237 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Votes: 77
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 5.7143
Comments: 1
Looks like it's settled in about there.
Some really good shots in the gallery. |
I think I should have gone with the other one Lydia... I went with the more common definition of Abstract here -- lines, patterns, etc... and have gotten hammered. 5.16 or so now. :( |
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08/28/2008 12:01:42 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by Hatchet:
This is me not yelling.. but as an example, this photo got 2 ones. I'm thinking only trolls would rate this photo a one. Seriously.. c'mon!!
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It may just be folks getting sick of seeing the same image in every challenge regardless of theme... |
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08/28/2008 12:05:08 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Mine is still about the same:
Avg Vote Cast: 4.8952
Votes Received: 67
Avg Vote Received: 4.3433
Still no comments. Good Night:-) |
Ok I finally see one comment.
Thank you mysterious commenter!!
Votes Received: 74
Avg Vote Received: 4.4054
Comments:
Made: 20
Helpful: 19
Received: 1
Helpful: 1
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08/28/2008 12:23:12 PM · #240 |
Originally posted by LanceW:
Originally posted by Hatchet:
This is me not yelling.. but as an example, this photo got 2 ones. I'm thinking only trolls would rate this photo a one. Seriously.. c'mon!!
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It may just be folks getting sick of seeing the same image in every challenge regardless of theme... |
I honestly wasn't going to say another thing since this is the "scores" thread, but if everyone is soooo tired of seeing the same images.. why do we continue to see them in the ribbon spots??
Now back to the scores..
Votes: 81
Views: 126
Avg Vote: 4.1728
Comments: 2
Life is good! Bad score and all! :)
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08/28/2008 12:33:05 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by Hatchet:
I honestly wasn't going to say another thing since this is the "scores" thread, but if everyone is soooo tired of seeing the same images.. why do we continue to see them in the ribbon spots??
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Just an possible explanation since you decided that anyone voting a 1 was a troll on that image. ;-) |
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08/28/2008 12:41:29 PM · #242 |
Originally posted by LanceW:
Originally posted by Hatchet:
I honestly wasn't going to say another thing since this is the "scores" thread, but if everyone is soooo tired of seeing the same images.. why do we continue to see them in the ribbon spots??
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Just an possible explanation since you decided that anyone voting a 1 was a troll on that image. ;-) |
Point taken Lance. I shouldn't have been name calling.. :P
/heading to corner for time-out/ |
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08/28/2008 12:50:33 PM · #243 |
gah...my vote scores always suck
Votes: 75
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 4.8267
Comments: 0 |
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08/28/2008 02:08:37 PM · #244 |
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
gah...my vote scores always suck
Votes: 75
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 4.8267
Comments: 0 |
Hey.. I am with you...but I am happy...much better than what I expected:
Votes Received: 78
Avg Vote Received: 4.3718
Somebody somewhere is trolling, but expects others not to.. hehe:-)
Message edited by author 2008-08-28 14:09:09. |
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08/28/2008 02:17:09 PM · #245 |
Hmmmm.....the voting is TOO frenetic in this challenge....I love my update key...A LOT!!!!!!!.....but I have had to turn off my scores....it's just too upseting...really...the score has been so up and down I have been getting motion sickness!!!
Message edited by author 2008-08-28 15:33:47. |
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08/28/2008 02:43:10 PM · #246 |
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
gah...my vote scores always suck
Votes: 75
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 4.8267
Comments: 0 |
I'll trade you mine!
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08/28/2008 02:52:03 PM · #247 |
I have to agree that voting is all over the place.
However, it isn't surprising in the slightest. It's impossible at worst, and naive at best to believe that the hundreds of people entering and voting in this challenge are all students of the concept of Abstract photography (let alone the concept of Abstract in general). It's also sort of naive to imagine that even most of these people are going to take the time to educate themselves in the concept.
So, we choose to put our work on display and in competition despite the fact that we're getting voted on by what amounts to a large group of opinionated ignorance, but hey, that's humanity!
I'll take comfort in knowing that there's that small group of people that are educated in it, that may possibly take the time to educate themselves in it, and may possibly help a few people that aren't educated in it become a little more so through comments on their photos.
Furthermore, it is of my educated opin... hey, hey no! What are you... Stop, I'm a KING! You can't do this to... Let go of that! Help! HELP!
*Gets dragged away by men in white coats*. |
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08/28/2008 03:01:25 PM · #248 |
Votes: 77
Views: 113
Avg Vote: 4.7792
Comments: 2
I agree with my score. Scoring does seem to be all over the place but it's a hard challenge to score. |
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08/28/2008 03:06:23 PM · #249 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I have to agree that voting is all over the place.
However, it isn't surprising in the slightest. It's impossible at worst, and naive at best to believe that the hundreds of people entering and voting in this challenge are all students of the concept of Abstract photography (let alone the concept of Abstract in general). It's also sort of naive to imagine that even most of these people are going to take the time to educate themselves in the concept.
So, we choose to put our work on display and in competition despite the fact that we're getting voted on by what amounts to a large group of opinionated ignorance, but hey, that's humanity!
I'll take comfort in knowing that there's that small group of people that are educated in it, that may possibly take the time to educate themselves in it, and may possibly help a few people that aren't educated in it become a little more so through comments on their photos.
Furthermore, it is of my educated opin... hey, hey no! What are you... Stop, I'm a KING! You can't do this to... Let go of that! Help! HELP!
*Gets dragged away by men in white coats*. |
I have to kind of agree it would be hard to judge abstract art, because besides the school book definition, there are so many aspects that put life in an abstract image. In my opinion it is a highly subjective area. So I dont know how much one can be trained or educated in understanding or judging such an art form besides continuously teaching by examples. As long as one understands the basics of what makes a picture abstract, beyond that is just a huge grey area where people may trust their aesthetics more than any education or lesson when judging a picture.
On one hand I would think let common people judge the pictures. Sure there might be trolling, but as long as the statistical pool is large, diverse, and significant enough, they might choose an image which 'just clicks' and touches them. The 'people's' winner, eh? :-)
But on the other hand, I would assume that most of the privileged (not free) members in this community are well educated (I am neither privileged member nor formally educated in Arts), so it might make sense to open such a subjective challenge to a member only pool. Not sure if that would reduce the topsy turvy score charts:-)
Message edited by author 2008-08-28 15:12:18. |
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08/28/2008 05:02:01 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by lemeryj:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by ryand:
Oh I don't really care about the score all that much, but it is fun to score well, I'm mostly frustrated that I entered a shot that I don't even like. |
I'm mostly frustrated that I entered a shot that I really liked, worked hard on getting the lighting how I wanted it and no-one else likes it lol - Dropped .12 in the last 9 votes and gone from 5.02 to 4.88 those scores are like DNMC scores bl**dy voters ;) |
Out of curiousity, what's your minimum vote on a shot that meets the challenge but may not be a good pic? |
Hi, sorry for the delay in replying been out at Chessington theme park all day and shattered now LOL.
Right I would say that an image that meets the challenge but is a poor pic could be scored at 1 under the way I vote at the moment (this would need to be a really aweful image though probably along the lines of OOF and poor composition plus something like colour cast or sized stupidly under the allowed maximum) however just one of those faults on an image that meets challenge would likely be around a 3 - 5 depending on other factors with the pic, however, when I work out a better voting method I am thinking this scenario to be a 2 minimum as I quite like Art roflmao scoring system:
Composition: x/10
Technical: x/10
Creativity: x/10
Appeal: x/10
Challenge: x/10
Take the total score of x and divide by 5 giving the overall score.
I am very much leaning towards using this method as I think it will make me think more about the important factors in voting and should make me think more about all aspects of the image rather than just thinking "Oh that's not very good" mark and move on (not that I tend to do this anyway)...
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