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08/27/2008 01:03:47 PM · #126
Last but one:
Votes Received: 44
Avg Vote Received: 4.44

Last:
Votes Received: 45
Avg Vote Received: 4.57

That seems impossible because the computation says last vote was 10.59 (> 10 ???).

Somebody may have changed their votes it seems:-)

08/27/2008 01:08:37 PM · #127
Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by bobnospum:

Originally posted by LadyTara:

I was going to attempt to offer every entry a comment, just a quick snippet of what I thought and what I liked.....but it seems that while everyone likes getting comments, some folk are very quick to flame those which don't give praise alone. I think I understand now why so many people don't bother giving their opinions.


Do what I do.

"Nice photo, I really liked ________. I think if you had done _____ and ______ then the photo would have more impact. Perhaps _____ was not the best choice and may cause it score lower than otherwise."

For instance

"Nice photo, I really liked composition with the purple flowers in back. I think if you had done a wider DOF and sharper focus then the photo would have more impact. Perhaps the bright white background was not the best choice and may cause it score lower than otherwise."

Always say something good at first to show you care and that the effort was appreciated. Not pointing out flaws in the photo does them a disservice.


Sound advice:-)

Not many people can take only bad criticism.. pretty much everybody needs a sweet pill to go along with it. And this way the criticism would have more impact too. Some critics however just put it it out there with no coating.. I would appreciate that personally (as long as they have more experience than myself:-).


Sound advice indeed and it's actually something I always do anyway, if I'm going to suggest something that could've been a wee bit better, I always start with a praise. Unfortunately, sometimes when you do that, some people only focus on what the see as the 'negative' part and completely ignore the compliment. I may just have to stick to only commenting when all I have to say is that the picture is wonderful!
08/27/2008 01:47:16 PM · #128
Originally posted by Jac:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Votes: 45
Views: 61
Avg Vote: 4.0667
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0

Someone commented that it was out of focus. Wow... astute observation. I know there have been pages and pages of forum discussion on this topic but seriously... why even bother to comment on something so obvious? It's like saying... your photos is devoid of color. I have eyes. I see that it's out of focus. I had the same shot in focus and it didn't have the feeling I wanted. That was an artistic choice.

On a happy note, someone else gave it a 10 and LOVED it. It's people like that that keep me submitting at all.


But what if that person is not even a photographer and has zero knowledge of what consists of a wonderful image and is only giving you a 10 because he loves puppies or he loves the pretty colors you used. On the other hand, the other voters who gave you a serious vote on your overall effort, execution, technical aspect, etc are doing you the real favor and these are the ones you should be learning from? Does this make sense?


It does make sense, but your point serves to bolster my view, not refute it. I did look at those photographers who left the comments. I won't point either person out, but lets just say flip flop your assumptions and you are right on. The vote I trusted based on the photographer was the 10.

Is it doing me any favors to get a bunch of 4s from people who didn't take the time to really LOOK at my photo and just saw "out of focus" and dismissed it, even in an abstract challenge? Getting a 10 from one person isn't coddling me, it's letting me know that some people actually care about things other than the technicals. I already know how to focus a shot. I do not yet know really how to make people feel something when they look at my photos. And that is now what I'm trying to learn. Telling me my shot is out of focus isn't helping me one bit. And it was so purposefully out of focus I would think a real photographer would notice that.

Now if the comment had read... "I do not think the lack of focus was beneficial to the shot" or "I do not like your choice of focus" or anything really beyond the face observation "our of focus". Then it would have some merit.
08/27/2008 02:19:36 PM · #129
Originally posted by escapetooz:

Now if the comment had read... "I do not think the lack of focus was beneficial to the shot" or "I do not like your choice of focus" or anything really beyond the face observation "our of focus". Then it would have some merit.


I think the fact that the person told you it was out of focus is also telling you he/she didn't think it was beneficial to the shot and that he/she didn't like your choice. If he/she loved your choice of focus, I'm sure that's what the comment would've been.

Just expand your reading of comments like that a wee bit and you'll get something useful out of most comments.
08/27/2008 02:31:17 PM · #130
Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Now if the comment had read... "I do not think the lack of focus was beneficial to the shot" or "I do not like your choice of focus" or anything really beyond the face observation "out of focus". Then it would have some merit.


I think the fact that the person told you it was out of focus is also telling you he/she didn't think it was beneficial to the shot and that he/she didn't like your choice. If he/she loved your choice of focus, I'm sure that's what the comment would've been.

Just expand your reading of comments like that a wee bit and you'll get something useful out of most comments.


I disagree. I don't think that was the point at all. Like I said in my original post, I liken it to saying "black and white" to a photo that is black and white. Just making a point blank statement on something obvious does not make a comment useful.

Another person said they liked the theme but the technicals weren't there. To me that has merit. That's why I didn't mention the comment at all. I like that my shot isn't "technically" correct, but they didn't. That's fine. I don't get mad when people don't like my shots.

The point is I want a comment that is more than just an observation. That is the point of a comment. Not just that you have eyes to see a photo, but that you are actually registering what is there and making a comment on your unique view. Anyone could tell me it is out of focus. Why bother posting it on a photography web site to find that out?
08/27/2008 02:46:49 PM · #131
Originally posted by escapetooz:

The point is I want a comment that is more than just an observation. That is the point of a comment. Not just that you have eyes to see a photo, but that you are actually registering what is there and making a comment on your unique view. Anyone could tell me it is out of focus. Why bother posting it on a photography web site to find that out?

He-he. I didn't know there were rules for comments now. ??? Now a critique may be different, but a comment is a comment - yes/no?
08/27/2008 02:53:55 PM · #132
Votes: 45
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 3.8444
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0

This is on target to be my worst score in 111 challenges!
08/27/2008 03:05:12 PM · #133
Guys please comment at least sparsely. I have had 50 votes and no comments.. how would I learn? :-(

I am happy with the score though...better than expectations.

Votes Received: 50
Avg Vote Received: 4.5000
Comments:
Made: 9
Helpful: 7
Received: 0
Helpful: 0
08/27/2008 03:07:11 PM · #134
Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Votes: 45
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 3.8444
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0

This is on target to be my worst score in 111 challenges!


Ouch mate sorry to hear that, you have some amazing images in your portfolio so can we only assume the voters are not getting your image rather than there being a fundemental flaw with it (well other than it doesn't have mass market appeal but whether that's a flaw or not I do not know, I guess it must be to some degree as we are discussing scores).
08/27/2008 03:12:16 PM · #135
After 50 votes: 5.8000 no comments.
08/27/2008 03:20:19 PM · #136
Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Votes: 45
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 3.8444
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0

This is on target to be my worst score in 111 challenges!


Ouch mate sorry to hear that, you have some amazing images in your portfolio so can we only assume the voters are not getting your image rather than there being a fundemental flaw with it (well other than it doesn't have mass market appeal but whether that's a flaw or not I do not know, I guess it must be to some degree as we are discussing scores).


Thanks. I find it amusing in a strange sort of way. One of the main problems is that I have a slight emotional tie to the image - that always clouds my judgement. I also didn't really know what voters wanted. I have a better idea now ;)

Edit for typo

Message edited by author 2008-08-27 15:27:41.
08/27/2008 03:23:15 PM · #137
Originally posted by MG:

After 50 votes: 5.8000 no comments.


You might well be on your way to stardom:-)
08/27/2008 03:28:34 PM · #138
Originally posted by Prash:



You might well be on your way to stardom:-)


Thanks… but that’s very unlikely – I didn’t vote for this challenge yet, but at a glance there are excellent entries as opposed to mine…
08/27/2008 03:31:10 PM · #139
I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??
08/27/2008 03:31:32 PM · #140
Votes: 46
Views: 62
Avg Vote: 4.1087
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/27/08 03:10 pm

:P

Just hope it doesn't fall below a 4...
08/27/2008 03:33:38 PM · #141
Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


Only if it's the EXACT same capture. If you hold the shutter down and make two captures of the same shot, then it's not a DQ.
08/27/2008 03:33:53 PM · #142
Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


Are you sure it is the same image exactly? Similar subjects, similar set ups happen all the time.

Let Site Council worry about whether the image has been used in two separate challenges or not. Just vote it as if it is 'legal' (as per the voting rules).
08/27/2008 03:34:43 PM · #143
Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.
08/27/2008 03:35:17 PM · #144
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

The point is I want a comment that is more than just an observation. That is the point of a comment. Not just that you have eyes to see a photo, but that you are actually registering what is there and making a comment on your unique view. Anyone could tell me it is out of focus. Why bother posting it on a photography web site to find that out?

He-he. I didn't know there were rules for comments now. ??? Now a critique may be different, but a comment is a comment - yes/no?


DA RULES. But people don't follow them anyway.
This one gets broken a lot "keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic." (many of us remember the ruckus one troll made during the fruits and veggies challenge but most cases are more subtle.)

But regardless. No, I don't think a comment is a comment. I've had comments like this before: "?" "ok". If a cat ran across my keys and I accidentally entered it "fjklfdjalkfd" would that be a comment too?

No... I don't think all comments are created equal. ;) Sue me.
08/27/2008 03:36:37 PM · #145
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


Only if it's the EXACT same capture. If you hold the shutter down and make two captures of the same shot, then it's not a DQ.


Actually that's a very good point and something I had not considered! Thanks for that I hadn't thought to interpret the rule like that...
08/27/2008 03:40:09 PM · #146
Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.


I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)
08/27/2008 03:44:13 PM · #147
Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.


I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)


Kinda sucks to copy someone else's photo but I know when I see a pic I really like, I want to try it for myself. Always change something though so it's not too identical to others.
08/27/2008 03:44:45 PM · #148
Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.


I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)


So someone's trying to mimic someone else's shot. So what. Maybe they're trying to learn something. This is a learning site, right?
08/27/2008 03:52:00 PM · #149
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.


I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)


So someone's trying to mimic someone else's shot. So what. Maybe they're trying to learn something. This is a learning site, right?


Learning is one thing. But using what you learnt from others in a contest is another. It is just my opinion though, I am not trying to generalize it and I dont expect you to agree with it. In any case, I will value such a picture low on originality.
08/27/2008 03:54:50 PM · #150
Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:

I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??


If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.


I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)


So someone's trying to mimic someone else's shot. So what. Maybe they're trying to learn something. This is a learning site, right?


Learning is one thing. But using what you learnt from others in a contest is another. It is just my opinion though, I am not trying to generalize it and I dont expect you to agree with it. In any case, I will value such a picture low on originality.


How many photographic images are really original anyway? Come on, this is a learning site and entering challenges with images people have just learned how to photograph is what this site is all about. There are no riches to be won here. It is about photography. Yes, creativity has its place and those entries that are 'original' and new will likely score better. But for those of us who have been around here for a year or two or five, there really isn't that much that is unique and new. Maybe refleshing and interesting, but new...probably not.
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