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06/10/2007 11:34:52 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
merely providing a widely recognized example of how groups enforce group norms through the singling out and isolation of a group member who doesn't conform to expected group standards. |
Look around ModelMayhem (especially in the Atlanta area) and you'll see tons of photos emphasizing the badonkadonk. I think she is weaaring it because to her it IS the norm. |
Then I submit she is mistaken. If it were normal, no one would notice anything unusual and it wouldn't be a subject for discussion.
You don't see people starting mocking forum threads and posting pictures of people wearing khaki shorts and a plaid button-down shirt, now do you?
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06/10/2007 11:36:17 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
...2. This owman chose to make a spectacle of herself by going out in public dressed like this. She knew full well what she was doing and thought she was funny for doing it.
So how does that affect you and why should you care? Are you her superior? |
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to start off...I understand that the only way someone would know if this person is in the military is by being told or by looking at the OP's profile (they don't have many non-military American's in South Korea) so it is a little hard to comment on this in itself but knowing it is a member or our armed forces makes it totally different. It might be hard for anyone that has never had any doings with the miltary but this is a big deal and I hope she is or was confronted and corrected.
Actually if in fact she is a military member or even works on the military base, it does affect him in more ways than just seeing it. It is a slap in the face to everyone that follows the rules of good order and discipline. It a LOT of potential to cause problems and again go against the rules of good order and discipline. Need an example?
Someone mentioned about maybe someone cheating on his wife to get with this girl. What if it is one of the OP's junior people that does this and gets caught, first it IS illegal in the Military and can ruin a career, not to mention the man-hours lost due to paperwork and legal proceedings and assigning a replacement should that member be discharged. Then what happens if due to his legal mess he misses work and a mission can't be completed or a pilot can't get his required air time. Sound trival but it really could mean more than just his career in the long run. Second what happens when the spouse back home finds out? Does she deserve that, how about his kids or even parents?
What happens if she's with one guy one night and a new one the next and the first one gets pissed and starts a fight...trust me it happens. Now how many people are out of work due to injury or misconduct hearings? All because she might be a attention addict.
Doesn't matter her build, color, age, religion or even background, that attire is not proper attire for a military member even in civilian cloths. We have standards for a reason and they need to be followed. I am actually surprised that she made it out of her berthing and off the base like that, unless she changed once she left the base, it is people like this that ruin it from everyone else. She should be glad she isn't stationed somewhere where you are required to be in uniform anytime you leave the base...actually people like this are almost always the reason that rule is in place.
Again, if you don't deal with the miltary you may not see the importance of the issue and the OP probably should have orginally mentioned that she is an American Ambassidor to Korea to better help some understand what really is wrong with this image.
eta: It should be noted that we men also have similar guidlines to follow that some may see as stupid or petty (no earrings-period on base or off NONE...here in Oki shirts must be tucked in and other things)
btw BHuseman...gotta love those AFRTS(A-Farts) and FEN (Forced Entertainment Network) commericals huh lol I bet I know more about states and their capitals now than I ever learned (or wanted to learn) in school lol.
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06/10/2007 11:40:03 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by L2:
Then I submit she is mistaken. If it were normal, no one would notice anything unusual and it wouldn't be a subject for discussion.
You don't see people starting mocking forum threads and posting pictures of people wearing khaki shorts and a plaid button-down shirt, now do you? |
You and I are both VERY Caucasian. I have a feeling that some others might think those Khaki shorts and plaid button-down are quite "White and nerdy" :-)
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06/10/2007 11:41:57 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
...2. This owman chose to make a spectacle of herself by going out in public dressed like this. She knew full well what she was doing and thought she was funny for doing it.
So how does that affect you and why should you care? Are you her superior? |
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to start off...
Someone mentioned about maybe someone cheating on his wife to get with this girl. |
Imagine being able to garner all that information from a photo... very impressive.
Ray |
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06/10/2007 11:42:47 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
Then I submit she is mistaken. If it were normal, no one would notice anything unusual and it wouldn't be a subject for discussion.
You don't see people starting mocking forum threads and posting pictures of people wearing khaki shorts and a plaid button-down shirt, now do you? |
You and I are both VERY Caucasian. I have a feeling that some others might think those Khaki shorts and plaid button-down are quite "White and nerdy" :-) |
Well, I guess I see it as more of a class thing than a race thing, but whatever. I don't think you have to be Caucasian to want to keep your butt covered in public.
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06/10/2007 11:43:36 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
Then I submit she is mistaken. If it were normal, no one would notice anything unusual and it wouldn't be a subject for discussion.
You don't see people starting mocking forum threads and posting pictures of people wearing khaki shorts and a plaid button-down shirt, now do you? |
You and I are both VERY Caucasian. I have a feeling that some others might think those Khaki shorts and plaid button-down are quite "White and nerdy" :-) |
awww now I understand why my daughter wants to do my cloths shopping for me ;) . She once almost bought me a shirt that said "OC Overly caucasian, do not place near dance floor" lol |
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06/10/2007 11:43:48 PM · #107 |
Need I say more? ;-)
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06/10/2007 11:46:22 PM · #108 |
I'm definitely very light in the bedonkadonk department...
If I ever lose my job and home and wind up on the corner of some freeway exit, I think I'll put that on my sign.
"Spare some change? No home, no job, no bedonkadonk."
Message edited by author 2007-06-10 23:46:36. |
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06/10/2007 11:46:32 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
...2. This owman chose to make a spectacle of herself by going out in public dressed like this. She knew full well what she was doing and thought she was funny for doing it.
So how does that affect you and why should you care? Are you her superior? |
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Actually if in fact she is a military member or even works on the military base, it does affect him in more ways than just seeing it. It is a slap in the face to everyone that follows the rules of good order and discipline. It a LOT of potential to cause problems and again go against the rules of good order and discipline. Need an example?
Someone mentioned about maybe someone cheating on his wife to get with this girl. What if it is one of the OP's junior people that does this and gets caught, first it IS illegal in the Military and can ruin a career, not to mention the man-hours lost due to paperwork and legal proceedings and assigning a replacement should that member be discharged. Then what happens if due to his legal mess he misses work and a mission can't be completed or a pilot can't get his required air time. Sound trival but it really could mean more than just his career in the long run. Second what happens when the spouse back home finds out? Does she deserve that, how about his kids or even parents?
What happens if she's with one guy one night and a new one the next and the first one gets pissed and starts a fight...trust me it happens. Now how many people are out of work due to injury or misconduct hearings? All because she might be a attention addict. |
What does it say about the man if he is incapable of following the rules of good order and discipline just because he sees a bit of bedunkdunk?
Why is the onus only on the woman to act accordingly?
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06/10/2007 11:46:53 PM · #110 |
| In the club scene (which it would appear they are going to, or coming from), what she's wearing is modest. |
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06/10/2007 11:49:16 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
What does it say about the man if he is incapable of following the rules of good order and discipline just because he sees a bit of bedunkdunk?
Why is the onus only on the woman to act accordingly? |
a VERY valid point that should have been addressed, it is very much also his responsibility and truth be told, if men didn't react to this attire it wouldn't be worn. |
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06/10/2007 11:49:34 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by L2:
Well, I guess I see it as more of a class thing than a race thing, but whatever. I don't think you have to be Caucasian to want to keep your butt covered in public. |
It's not a racial statement to say that white Americans and black Americans have different cultures and different cultural norms. It's just a fact. That's why we have Rap and R&B and Country and Rock & Roll.
There is becoming more and more cross-over, but the difference do exist.
And like the last post said, in the club scene what she is wearing IS modest.
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06/10/2007 11:54:50 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
In the club scene (which it would appear they are going to, or coming from), what she's wearing is modest. |
Is that really an excuse for violating the military's off-base dress code?
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06/10/2007 11:56:50 PM · #114 |
| i just gotta chime in and say, appropriate or not, that has got to hurt. |
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06/11/2007 12:15:56 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by karmat:
i just gotta chime in and say, appropriate or not, that has got to hurt. |
I think we can all agree on that :-D
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06/11/2007 12:17:31 AM · #116 |
What hurts is the fact that it doesn't meet the time requirement for the Backsides challenge...
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06/11/2007 12:18:14 AM · #117 |
| Y I K E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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06/11/2007 12:24:18 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
What hurts is the fact that it doesn't meet the time requirement for the Backsides challenge... |
At least we know Langdon's looked in on this thread ... |
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06/11/2007 12:31:57 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
At least we know Langdon's looked in on this thread ... |
Yep. That was my first thought when I saw the challenge. :)
Now had it been a self-portrait backside challenge ...
Message edited by author 2007-06-11 23:44:53.
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06/11/2007 12:38:53 AM · #120 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
What hurts is the fact that it doesn't meet the time requirement for the Backsides challenge... |
Trust me, that is the first thing I thought. But then I realized even if it did I wouldn't submit it. It doesn't meet the high quality standards that are associated with DPC images! |
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06/11/2007 12:44:59 AM · #121 |
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
In the club scene (which it would appear they are going to, or coming from), what she's wearing is modest. |
Is that really an excuse for violating the military's off-base dress code? |
I'm not sure what that has to do with the question raised in the thread. According to my friends in the service, the dress codes are only really enforced off-base when it's a non-resident situation. The people I knew who were in SK never really had to adhere to much of a dress code. |
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06/11/2007 12:54:34 AM · #122 |
Perhaps Langdon can be persuaded to change the Backsides challenge to the Bedunkdunk challenge.
I'll bet Fotomann will take the Blue. |
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06/11/2007 01:10:07 AM · #123 |
For those that have asked why does it matter, I present you this. US Forces Korea regulation concerning conduct....sorry, it has to be in jpeg format.
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06/11/2007 03:52:45 AM · #124 |
Since I'm from the group that believes that bringing sexy back is the biggest reason why women will never be empowered so I don't think I need to express what my opinion is....
Moving on, this is obviously a military dress code issue as well so I'm thinking, if you saw her on the streets, how many people will respect her and not give her any reaction... the military is about discipline and the ability to command respect... Would she be able to do that.. not trying to make any point here.. just wondering.. |
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06/11/2007 04:27:24 AM · #125 |
(nah)
Message edited by author 2007-06-11 04:33:31. |
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