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05/16/2003 09:46:24 AM · #1 |
I'm not starting this thread to begin another bitch-session, because I think there is way too much of that going on all the time already.
BUT I am bummed that out of 113 votes, Ive only received 8 comments. |
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05/16/2003 09:56:11 AM · #2 |
| Eight strangers have gone out of their way to look carefully at your photograph and taken the time to comment. 105 others have looked at it and voted on it for no other reason than their own good will. And you are bummed, why? |
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05/16/2003 10:00:31 AM · #3 |
8 comments in a couple of days is good going, there's plenty of time for more.
My entry in the members challenge has had 2 comments since Monday!
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05/16/2003 10:48:06 AM · #4 |
With all the grief that people are getting for leaving comments, I'm amazed anyone is getting 1 much less 8. I am far less inclined to try and leave more comments right now.
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05/16/2003 11:08:02 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
With all the grief that people are getting for leaving comments, I'm amazed anyone is getting 1 much less 8. I am far less inclined to try and leave more comments right now. |
I often ask myself why I leave comments when a vast majority of the folks here don't... If you try to look at commenting as a tit for tat game, you will always be disappointed. If you look at commenting as a way to improve your own photography, you will enjoy it much more...
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05/16/2003 11:27:37 AM · #6 |
Maybe there should be a requirement when signing up.....
I get slammed for not leaving enough, but did I miss something when joining? Did it say you must leave _ amount of comments or you will be publicly rediculed for not doing so? I personally only comment when I have the time to give what I feel is a useful one.
I still think that one useful comment is worth more then ten pat on the back or 'score' comments. Take the one comment and use it to improve instead of sitting aroung waiting for more.
For those who feel it is so important to comment a 'certain' amount. Just do it . Stop bashing others for not!!!
Message edited by author 2003-05-16 11:43:23.
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05/16/2003 11:31:02 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
For those who feel it is so important to comment a 'certain' amount. Just do it . Stop bashing others for not!!! |
It would also be nice if people would stop bashing the people that DO comment.
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05/16/2003 11:35:05 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
I get slammed for not leaving enough, but did I miss something when joining? Did it say you must leave _ amount of comments or you will be publicly rediculed for not doing so? |
Not that I noticed. But then it didn't lay down any rules at all about what should be considered a useful comment either - that's left to each person to decide for themselves.
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05/16/2003 11:39:21 AM · #9 |
Opps :) I think this thread is slipping off topic... This is the "I don't get enough comments" rant... The "I don't like the comments I'm getting" rant is down...
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05/16/2003 11:39:38 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
It would also be nice if people would stop bashing the people that DO comment. |
I didn't bash....I gave my opinion of it. I think that's what people do on these forum threads give opinions. Not to force others to do anything., just to say what they feel. That's all. Nothing more.....
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05/16/2003 11:43:14 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
I didn't bash....I gave my opinion of it. |
Whoops! I sincerely had no intention of implying that you were bashing... Upon rereading my post, I can see how it might have been misunderstood to look that way and I'm very sorry... I wasn't pointing fingers... Truly.
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05/16/2003 11:49:43 AM · #12 |
I give up on this place...no matter what i say it's taken as something else. Obviously my words are worthless....
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05/16/2003 11:53:04 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
With all the grief that people are getting for leaving comments, I'm amazed anyone is getting 1 much less 8. I am far less inclined to try and leave more comments right now. |
I agree completely. When I started voting on submissions, I was commenting on at least 1/3 of the photos in each challenge. Then people started attacking my opinions via Private Message.
So the only photos I comment on now are the ones that really impress me - chances are that noone's going to mind if I give them a compliment!!!
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05/16/2003 12:05:25 PM · #14 |
I don't care how many comments I get on my Photo. I could care less if I didn't get any, with the exception of the Critique Club comment. I look forward to that, and have been lucky enough to get one on every Photo I requested it on. Any comments I get during the challenge is like a Bonus!
If I don't like a comment, I don't check the Box. If I like it, or think that person has a valid point of view I do check it. Even if it is against what I was trying to accomplish in my photo. It's that simple.
After a few challenges, I now only comment on a photo if I see something good in it. If I think the Photo needs improvment, I start with what I liked and then what I didn't like. If I think the Photo is totally awfull I don't say anything anymore. Too much grief. I don't make as many Comments now as I did when I started.
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05/16/2003 04:47:10 PM · #15 |
I'm just grateful that people take their time to make a comment. Its not always possible to leave comments for various reasons (voting at work for one!) but i do vote on every entry after all you people have taken the time and trouble to enter so i belive its only polite to take the time to look at them all.
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05/16/2003 05:25:37 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
I give up on this place...no matter what i say it's taken as something else. Obviously my words are worthless.... |
Terry, I hope you don't give up. Your photos are among the best here. |
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05/17/2003 06:39:28 AM · #17 |
My secondary colour entry currently has 133 votes and a big fat ZERO comments. This is actually the harshest criticism I've ever recieved here. So boring that it isn't even worth a comment? Oh well.
I even thought it was quite a good shot - isn't that just the way when you think you've made a bit of progress :-)
Ed
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05/17/2003 11:58:08 AM · #18 |
Ed, I'm with ya. I have 3 comments, one from someone asking a technique question and one I'm pretty sure is facetious. I'm utterly disappointed with my score. I have no idea what voters want on this site. I should probably just quit worrying about it and let my clients' happy smiles and checks vote for me instead.
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05/27/2003 01:10:16 PM · #19 |
Not to beat the dead horse, but... here's the thing I don't get.
People seem to have a trend on commenting on the pictures they REALLY LIKE. But... those pictures need the comments the least as they are the ones that need the least improvement, right?
If the site is, in theory, to help people learn to take better photographs, why not make a point on commenting on the pictures with flaws so the photographer has any clue what those flaws are and can hopefully thereby improve? Leaving a low vote may let them know there ARE flaws, but it doesn't much help with learning how to avoid them.
I say this as someone who has gotten over 60 votes but 1 comment so far on my first entered picture. My votes are running fairly low, which I suppose doesn't really surprise me, but I'd kinda like to know why. |
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05/27/2003 01:23:29 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
For those who feel it is so important to comment a 'certain' amount. Just do it . Stop bashing others for not!!! |
It would also be nice if people would stop bashing the people that DO comment. |
Hrm. Here's the thing. I've been a member a little less than a month, and I haven't seen a thread in the last week or two that's doing this (bashing commenters). Can you point to one? Or is it just a 'remembered' thing among older-timers than myself, a received wisdom that "Oh, yes, of course, you get bashed for commenting." ?
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05/27/2003 01:53:21 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by qachyk:
Not to beat the dead horse, but... here's the thing I don't get.
People seem to have a trend on commenting on the pictures they REALLY LIKE. But... those pictures need the comments the least as they are the ones that need the least improvement, right?
If the site is, in theory, to help people learn to take better photographs, why not make a point on commenting on the pictures with flaws so the photographer has any clue what those flaws are and can hopefully thereby improve? Leaving a low vote may let them know there ARE flaws, but it doesn't much help with learning how to avoid them.
I say this as someone who has gotten over 60 votes but 1 comment so far on my first entered picture. My votes are running fairly low, which I suppose doesn't really surprise me, but I'd kinda like to know why. |
Guilty as charged.
I have tried in the past to comment on the photos that I rank on the lower end of the scale. Which for me are the ones I score at 5 and below. The problem I run into is that I have to be able to find something good in a photo to feel comfortable pointing out the bad. Especially if I feel the bad outweighs the good, if I can't find some redeeming quality (nice composition, interesting subject, cool color, nice sharpness or DOF... something!) then I won't comment at all.
Because: If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all. (I blame my Mother.)
Ok. So how are you supposed to learn anything if folks don't leave comments and tell you why they didn't care for your photo?
I'd suggest you get out and study. Maybe try and emulate a particular style. Work at it awhile. Take more photos and be hard on yourself (but not too hard!). Solicit honest critiques from folks that you trust to tell you the truth. (DPC comments are not enough! Photos here have to fit into a pretty tight box to do well... hence the "challenge.")
There is no simple way, I don't think. Most of us (yes, myself included) did not pick up a camera one day and start taking nice photos. It is a process of discovery and learning. Which is something I continue to work on with every photo I take.
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05/27/2003 04:39:34 PM · #22 |
It's a process that in the end is pretty much similar to the scoring one: the better your photo the higher your score and the higher your number of comments - this is where 'better' refers to that sort of shot that is liked at dpc.
It's annoying when you've taken a shot that you think is good, and the site doesn't like it, but no-one tells you - very annoying, but there is an element you can learn from that: the most likely explanation I think is that ingeneral people find it average - nothing they particularly want to criticise, and nothing they particularly want to praise. So what do you do? Ask yourself why, as honestly as you can, and try to institute that in your future entries. But don't believe it makes it a bad photo - it only makes it a photo that doesn't do it for dpc as a whole.
Oh, and the site wasn't set up as a learning experience, I believe - it was set up as a competition. Due to the helpfulness of a number of people here, and the talent of a number of people here, and also due to a number of the features like CC, it can be made to be a learning experience - but you have to put that work in for yourself.
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05/27/2003 05:02:53 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by e301:
It's a process that in the end is pretty much similar to the scoring one: the better your photo the higher your score and the higher your number of comments - this is where 'better' refers to that sort of shot that is liked at dpc.
It's annoying when you've taken a shot that you think is good, and the site doesn't like it, but no-one tells you - very annoying, but there is an element you can learn from that: the most likely explanation I think is that ingeneral people find it average - nothing they particularly want to criticise, and nothing they particularly want to praise. So what do you do? Ask yourself why, as honestly as you can, and try to institute that in your future entries. But don't believe it makes it a bad photo - it only makes it a photo that doesn't do it for dpc as a whole.
Oh, and the site wasn't set up as a learning experience, I believe - it was set up as a competition. Due to the helpfulness of a number of people here, and the talent of a number of people here, and also due to a number of the features like CC, it can be made to be a learning experience - but you have to put that work in for yourself.
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a quote from about in the help menu
DPChallenge was created in January 2002 by two friends, Drew Ungvarsky (drewmedia) and Langdon Oliver (langdon). The original idea behind the site was for it to be a place where the two of us and a couple of our friends could teach ourselves to be better photographers by giving each other a 'challenge' for the week. The idea quickly took off and became much more in the months that followed
My reading of this is taht this sight was set up as a learning experirience were it is stated that it was set up to 'teach ourselves'
but it has since evolved into the great site it is today. it is a site that provides great insight.
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05/27/2003 05:25:52 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by eloise:
Originally posted by myqyl:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
For those who feel it is so important to comment a 'certain' amount. Just do it . Stop bashing others for not!!! |
It would also be nice if people would stop bashing the people that DO comment. |
Hrm. Here's the thing. I've been a member a little less than a month, and I haven't seen a thread in the last week or two that's doing this (bashing commenters). Can you point to one? Or is it just a 'remembered' thing among older-timers than myself, a received wisdom that "Oh, yes, of course, you get bashed for commenting." ? |
Here are two threads that come to mind. There are more if you look for them. But lately I think people are just afraid to leave critizising comments. I know I am... I have been bashed at least twice.
Bashing people who do comment
Or my personal unfavorate. Leaving the wrong comment.
Originally posted by mcmurma:
...The problem I run into is that I have to be able to find something good in a photo to feel comfortable pointing out the bad. Especially if I feel the bad outweighs the good, if I can't find some redeeming quality (nice composition, interesting subject, cool color, nice sharpness or DOF... something!) then I won't comment at all.
Because: If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all. (I blame my Mother.) |
I am the same. If I can't find anything nice I don't comment. I blame his mother too. =o)
Message edited by author 2003-05-27 17:29:00.
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05/27/2003 05:26:38 PM · #25 |
| I have commented less this week since I didn't and won't see the Matrix movies and have no idea what fits the challenge or not. So, I've only commented on the matrix definitions that I can identify or great shots. My photo was a joke, since I have no idea what it's about or really care to know. Van |
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