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03/26/2006 09:28:12 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Just look at this image and it's comments.
Look at the variance in comments and the hugely low votes. Most people misunderstood this image for what it was. And my score suffered. Some people saw it purely as a vulgar and unnecessary shot of someones breasts and voted it low. Others worked out that it was a butt and either voted it high for the trickery obtained or voted it low because they don't like looking at male butts. And then you have the others that just do the pick a random number to vote this image on. Others did vote it according to what they saw in the technical side.
But my point is...that it isn't just children that vote with their eyes...it is adults as well. And just as you cannot say that all adults vote like that....the same with children...they don't all vote like that.
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Couldn't agree more!! This entry for footwear;
It's my son's slippers. I got 27 ones because people wrongly assumed I DNMC. No consideration for technicals (it's not THAT bad photographically that it deserves a 1, is it??), just dismissing it because they didn't see what I did. And I'd bet almost anything that it wasn't the kids giving me the 1's! If only they voted with their eyes I would have likely done much better, because it would likely have made them laugh. |
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03/26/2006 09:31:29 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I like it. Nudity that is. |
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03/26/2006 09:57:56 PM · #78 |
man, if nudity from this site is stopped, where the perverts like me will go?????
I too like nudity :-))
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I like it. Nudity that is. |
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03/26/2006 11:16:35 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Judi:
Just look at this image and it's comments.
Look at the variance in comments and the hugely low votes. Most people misunderstood this image for what it was. And my score suffered. Some people saw it purely as a vulgar and unnecessary shot of someones breasts and voted it low. Others worked out that it was a butt and either voted it high for the trickery obtained or voted it low because they don't like looking at male butts. And then you have the others that just do the pick a random number to vote this image on. Others did vote it according to what they saw in the technical side.
But my point is...that it isn't just children that vote with their eyes...it is adults as well. And just as you cannot say that all adults vote like that....the same with children...they don't all vote like that.
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Couldn't agree more!! This entry for footwear;
It's my son's slippers. I got 27 ones because people wrongly assumed I DNMC. No consideration for technicals (it's not THAT bad photographically that it deserves a 1, is it??), just dismissing it because they didn't see what I did. And I'd bet almost anything that it wasn't the kids giving me the 1's! If only they voted with their eyes I would have likely done much better, because it would likely have made them laugh. |
The monkey shoes is a well done photo that definately did not deserve the score it received. Again this shows that DPC voters vote on the challenge instead of the photo. Lets not fool ourselves, scores do matter. The SC's need to remove this score as by the comments it was not justified. It is far more of a photo that those who use a photo on a computer screen and then put something in front of it, a way to get around the blending of two photos or using "their own art".
Well done, the score needs to be fairly adjusted to at least the average for the challenge. |
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03/26/2006 11:20:49 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Couldn't agree more!! This entry for footwear;
It's my son's slippers. I got 27 ones because people wrongly assumed I DNMC. No consideration for technicals (it's not THAT bad photographically that it deserves a 1, is it??), just dismissing it because they didn't see what I did. And I'd bet almost anything that it wasn't the kids giving me the 1's! If only they voted with their eyes I would have likely done much better, because it would likely have made them laugh. |
The monkey shoes is a well done photo that definately did not deserve the score it received. Again this shows that DPC voters vote on the challenge instead of the photo. Lets not fool ourselves, scores do matter. The SC's need to remove this score as by the comments it was not justified. It is far more of a photo that those who use a photo on a computer screen and then put something in front of it, a way to get around the blending of two photos or using "their own art".
Well done, the score needs to be fairly adjusted to at least the average for the challenge. |
But the challenge isn't to just to have some part of the topic somewhere in your photo. It's to convey that topic to as many voters as possible. This photo obviously did not do that and was voted accordingly. |
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03/27/2006 10:07:31 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Couldn't agree more!! This entry for footwear;
It's my son's slippers. I got 27 ones because people wrongly assumed I DNMC. No consideration for technicals (it's not THAT bad photographically that it deserves a 1, is it??), just dismissing it because they didn't see what I did. And I'd bet almost anything that it wasn't the kids giving me the 1's! If only they voted with their eyes I would have likely done much better, because it would likely have made them laugh. |
The monkey shoes is a well done photo that definately did not deserve the score it received. Again this shows that DPC voters vote on the challenge instead of the photo. Lets not fool ourselves, scores do matter. The SC's need to remove this score as by the comments it was not justified. It is far more of a photo that those who use a photo on a computer screen and then put something in front of it, a way to get around the blending of two photos or using "their own art".
Well done, the score needs to be fairly adjusted to at least the average for the challenge. |
But the challenge isn't to just to have some part of the topic somewhere in your photo. It's to convey that topic to as many voters as possible. This photo obviously did not do that and was voted accordingly. |
Maybe this is the case where the title should have been "Little Steven's monkey slippers in a a banana box". Kinda looking at some of Picaso's art or others, can't see anything until you read the title, then you can find the nude woman. Yup you're right, art is in the eye of the beholder, and the title does matter.
I'd bet then the vote would have been completely different. |
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03/27/2006 10:22:48 AM · #82 |
/deleted by myself - got the answer already/
Message edited by author 2006-03-27 10:29:01. |
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03/27/2006 11:45:50 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Couldn't agree more!! This entry for footwear;
It's my son's slippers. I got 27 ones because people wrongly assumed I DNMC. No consideration for technicals (it's not THAT bad photographically that it deserves a 1, is it??), just dismissing it because they didn't see what I did. And I'd bet almost anything that it wasn't the kids giving me the 1's! If only they voted with their eyes I would have likely done much better, because it would likely have made them laugh. |
The monkey shoes is a well done photo that definately did not deserve the score it received. Again this shows that DPC voters vote on the challenge instead of the photo. Lets not fool ourselves, scores do matter. The SC's need to remove this score as by the comments it was not justified. It is far more of a photo that those who use a photo on a computer screen and then put something in front of it, a way to get around the blending of two photos or using "their own art".
Well done, the score needs to be fairly adjusted to at least the average for the challenge. |
But the challenge isn't to just to have some part of the topic somewhere in your photo. It's to convey that topic to as many voters as possible. This photo obviously did not do that and was voted accordingly. |
Maybe this is the case where the title should have been "Little Steven's monkey slippers in a a banana box". Kinda looking at some of Picaso's art or others, can't see anything until you read the title, then you can find the nude woman. Yup you're right, art is in the eye of the beholder, and the title does matter.
I'd bet then the vote would have been completely different. |
I'm not asking for any adjustment. I was pointing out why I disagreed with the original poster asking for one because the vote was from a child.
No, I obviously goofed with this pic, thinking that people would be able to infer that they must be slippers, since obviously a banana box doesn't meet the challenge. And I don't agree with explaining it in the title. If I've been obscure enough that it needs explaining, that's my own fault. Ironically, I rejected one shot because I didn't like the black line of the slipper opening that showed. Guess I should have used that one!
But the point is, no matter the age, we all vote what we see or think we see, what we like or don't like, and we're not all going to see or like the same thing. Even if we don't agree with the voters we basically agree to accept it when we enter a challenge. |
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03/28/2006 12:07:27 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by willagher:
I thought that perhaps this may not be the place for the younger photographers to hone their skills |
It's really no one's place to tell a kid where they should or shouldn't hang out, other than their parents. There are probably hundreds of more dangerous, 'worse' places kids could be hanging out than here. Heck, if they want to find porn (and I mean porn, not tasteful, artistic nudity), they are just a click away (this is cyberspace afterall).
No offense intended of course, I'm just saying.
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03/28/2006 12:20:37 AM · #85 |
In all of the threads, can anyone find a single post by a parent of a child member complaining about nude photos at DPC? So far as I can remember, every single parent of a child member has said they support the current DPC policy on nudity, and that everyone else should (ahem!) butt out.
Message edited by author 2006-03-28 00:21:06. |
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03/28/2006 01:21:06 AM · #86 |
The OP assumed that because one voter who happened to be young, voted her image low supposedly because they "are not mature enough to appreciate nudity in art", not because they did not like it. Who's to say that there are not many adults who likewise "are not mature enough to appreciate nudity in art" and who would similarly vote any nude low. Should we then have to exclude all low votes on nude entries, based on the assumption that all of those low votes are from people who "are not mature enough to appreciate nudity in art" and are therefore totally unqualified to vote on such images?
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03/28/2006 01:22:28 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
man, if nudity from this site is stopped, where the perverts like me will go?????
I too like nudity :-))
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I like it. Nudity that is. |
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PornoSig.......umm PhotoSig that is...
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03/28/2006 01:24:11 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by zxaar:
man, if nudity from this site is stopped, where the perverts like me will go?????
I too like nudity :-))
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I like it. Nudity that is. |
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PornoSig.......umm PhotoSig that is... |
Thats no shiz, some of it's pretty good though. Some if it is pretty bad too.
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03/28/2006 02:51:26 AM · #89 |
For kids the human naked form is natural and won't think otherwise if parents teach them so.
If you as a parent have problems with nudity, your children will too.
The bias towards the human body as "dirty", "inmoral", "not apropiate", etc., is only encouraged by the parents as an echo of a society ruled by a hipocritical double moral.
In social groups where nudity and naturism is a way of life, the children grow up without an early erotization of the naked human body, and they are less prone to precocious sexual activity.
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03/28/2006 04:13:28 PM · #90 |
What is frustrating is that while it is within anyones right to give low votes because they don't like the subject I am surprised that there are many here at DPC that vote that way without regard to the challenge or its description. I used to vote on lighting, composition, color, lines, DOF, creativity and DNMC to name a few.
But now i'm incorporating a new set of standards.
The following subjects will automatically receive a 1 vote from me regardless of artistic or technical skills demonstrated.
1) Children
2) Cats (i like dogs so they are OK)
3) Sunsets
4) Flowers
5) Waterfalls
6) anything with water drops
7) Images with Yellow and Pink
8) Did I say Children?
I reserve the right to add subjects at my own descretion.
This should help everyone develop their photographic skills and get accurate feedback on images submitted in challenges.
I mean it is my option to vote this way. Does that make it OK?
:-P
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03/28/2006 04:25:07 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
What is frustrating is that while it is within anyones right to give low votes because they don't like the subject I am surprised that there are many here at DPC that vote that way without regard to the challenge or its description. I used to vote on lighting, composition, color, lines, DOF, creativity and DNMC to name a few.
But now i'm incorporating a new set of standards.
The following subjects will automatically receive a 1 vote from me regardless of artistic or technical skills demonstrated.
1) Children
2) Cats (i like dogs so they are OK)
3) Sunsets
4) Flowers
5) Waterfalls
6) anything with water drops
7) Images with Yellow and Pink
8) Did I say Children?
I reserve the right to add subjects at my own descretion.
This should help everyone develop their photographic skills and get accurate feedback on images submitted in challenges.
I mean it is my option to vote this way. Does that make it OK?
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I find it ironic that your initial anger was demonstrated toward a "child" that you claimed was too immature to have a valid opinion on nudity, and then you continue to show us just what the definition of "maturity" really is by posting such anti-productive rants over the whole over-blown and pointless subject. You got a 1, it happens, we all get them, and for even sillier and more inane reasons than someone not liking nudes. Time to let it go and maybe return to the realm of maturity you claim others need. |
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03/28/2006 04:28:57 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by seenosun:
What is frustrating is that while it is within anyones right to give low votes because they don't like the subject I am surprised that there are many here at DPC that vote that way without regard to the challenge or its description. I used to vote on lighting, composition, color, lines, DOF, creativity and DNMC to name a few.
But now i'm incorporating a new set of standards.
The following subjects will automatically receive a 1 vote from me regardless of artistic or technical skills demonstrated.
1) Children
2) Cats (i like dogs so they are OK)
3) Sunsets
4) Flowers
5) Waterfalls
6) anything with water drops
7) Images with Yellow and Pink
8) Did I say Children?
I reserve the right to add subjects at my own descretion.
This should help everyone develop their photographic skills and get accurate feedback on images submitted in challenges.
I mean it is my option to vote this way. Does that make it OK?
:-P |
I find it ironic that your initial anger was demonstrated toward a "child" that you claimed was too immature to have a valid opinion on nudity, and then you continue to show us just what the definition of "maturity" really is by posting such anti-productive rants over the whole over-blown and pointless subject. You got a 1, it happens, we all get them, and for even sillier and more inane reasons than someone not liking nudes. Time to let it go and maybe return to the realm of maturity you claim others need. |
It's called sarcasm! But i'm glad you got the point I was trying to make. |
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03/28/2006 04:43:38 PM · #93 |
Message edited by author 2006-03-28 16:43:59.
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03/28/2006 04:50:43 PM · #94 |
| wow..look what i started! ok, the op(me) was merely stating the a 15 year old left a comment on my photo stating that nudity should be between spouses only and this is no place for it...I just thought that if nudity offended this person that perhaps this is not the place for her to try and hone her skills, given the quantity of nudity in the challenges...or that maybe there was some sort of nudity filter. I did not want anything done with her comment or score but it doesnt seem to matter to some people how great a picture is technically, or how well it fits the challenge, if they do not like the subject matter, they will say so and rate it low..apparently others have had comments from the same person regarding the same issue. I applaud this girls morals and I did not want to discourage her from taking part in challenges,hence the nudity filter?? |
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03/28/2006 04:55:08 PM · #95 |
There is a nudity filter (a check box on your Preferences page) but it is not in effect during challenge voting.
All members are made aware that nudity is a part of this site, so it should not really be a surprise when it shows up. However, disapproving of it is a perfectly valid opinion, probably shared (but not voiced) by quite a few DPC members. |
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03/28/2006 04:57:43 PM · #96 |
| but are we now judging a photo on our own moral beliefs or predjudices or are we voting on how well a photo suits the challenge and it's merits in all areas, technical and otherwise?? |
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03/28/2006 05:01:14 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by willagher:
but are we now judging a photo on our own moral beliefs or predjudices or are we voting on how well a photo suits the challenge and it's merits in all areas, technical and otherwise?? |
All photos are judged on our beliefs and experiences, whether we admit it or not.
I have a "feet phobia", not that I'm scared of them, just think feet are disgusting, so you can imagine how I would have voted if I had decided to vote in the Footwear challenge.
I think everyone is guilty of overlooking technical merrit at some point in thier voting.
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03/28/2006 05:34:19 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
There is a nudity filter (a check box on your Preferences page) but it is not in effect during challenge voting.
All members are made aware that nudity is a part of this site, so it should not really be a surprise when it shows up. However, disapproving of it is a perfectly valid opinion, probably shared (but not voiced) by quite a few DPC members. |
ALL MEMBERS ARE MADE AWARE - this is an assumption on your part. Where exactly does a 15 year old girl get that info. She has never entered a challenge, therefore has also most likely not checked the rules where one sentence can be found explaining DPC's position regarding nudity.
Based on her specific comments for all photos that show any form of skin - it has not been made clear.
This child also did not need parental approval to join because they are over thirteen. So there is no one to help educate her about Nudity as an art form. I'm guessing that her uptight views on nudity came from someone teaching her that held the same beliefs. My guess is her parents would not approve of their 15 year old daughter viewing nudity on DPC. Unfortunately not all children are required to get parental consent prior to joining.
edit to fix a run on sentence.
Message edited by author 2006-03-28 17:37:09. |
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03/28/2006 05:43:29 PM · #99 |
hey all just read some of the replies to this discussion. interesting idea's by all but one thing everybody has forgotton here photography is about what u like not what others like in the end we all photograph things we like lol. no serioulsy nudity is not wrong however tasteful nudity is great not grotoestesque nudity k. the young lady in question is allowed her point view weather it based on her education or beliefs is ok that what this site for. i get 1's all time lol is ok i do this for fun and a challenge. but the point is everybody is allowed to express themselves and everybody should be mature enough to allow others the same express their idea's k. is a free soceity isn't anythat my my say
so chill lol |
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03/28/2006 05:44:14 PM · #100 |
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