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03/29/2006 11:30:01 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by paddles:
Originally posted by seenosun:
It is DPC's responsibility to create an environment where children who aren't even old enough to drive aren't exposed to things that are innapproriate. |
Seenosun, you are doing exactly what I commented on before - your statement presupposes that viewing any nudity is intrinsically inappropriate for under-18s. The responses I made before still apply. If you are going to argue that DPC needs to do more, you first need to establish that seeing the sort of nudity present on DPC is prima facie inappropriate for people under 18. To date, you have not done this.
I said children under 18 should have parental consent to participate in DPC. It is easy to pull a sentence out of a statement and spin it out of context.
The leap from nudity present on a site to a 50-year-old male contacting underage members to discuss their reactions to nudity is a pretty massive leap.
Again a Parental consent issue. As far as I understand on DPC PM's for 13 year olds go to the parent. Much safer.
I hope your comment about your dominatrix wife not seeing under-18 clients without a note from home was sarcastic (I admit it, I can't tell), because the idea of a dominatrix with a 17-yo client is orders of magnitude more creepy than even the 50-year-old male contacting the underage member, let alone teens being able to see nudity.
Again taking something I said and misquoting it. I said my wife does not see clients under 18.
Your argument about kids being prevented from seeing nudity in movies because of R ratings doesn't hold water. I have seen at least one American mainstream movie with full-frontal nudity in a cinema, where it was rated M - recommended for viewers over 15 years, but no restrictions on younger viewers entering.
Again trying to twist my statement. I was referring to a specific movie and a child's innability to view it in a mature way. My statement was regarding their immature comments and crossing a line that encroached my viewing experience.
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Maybe you should re read my statements in there entirety before you take sentences out of context
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03/29/2006 09:32:16 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
There are movies (considered a form of art) that children aren't allowed to view if they are under 18. I'm not making the decision for anyone. I suggested that written parental consent be required for children under 18. In that consent it should be clear that the parents understand that DPC contains nudity. |
Uhhh... this is a bit late, but I have to point out that movies tend to be loaded with filth. I am constantly stunned by the sexual innuendos that crop up, even in slightly more tame movies, including the odd one here and there in Disney features.
I always think it's really odd that a movie will make a 'cute' or veiled joke/reference to something like masturbation or homosexuality in a movie that would otherwise NEVER get away with actually depicting it.
It just further shows that the media is NOT a great touchstone for morality.
There's a MAJOR difference between sexuality and nudity.
I believe that you (seenosun) need to seriously contemplate what that means because you are the only one in this entire thread that seems to be equating the two.
Your experience with your wife and your business may have actually slanted your view in this matter. There's plenty of stuff going on in this world that ISN'T to do with Sex, Porn, the internet and yes, dare I say it, even America.
I'm not prude myself, I've got my own interests and likes. Further, my sister spent quite a number of years as a prostitute in various avenues, so I'm just as aware of the full spectrum of human sexuality as you are.
The point that people are trying to make here is that DPC has a small quantity of art that contains nudity. It makes a disclaimer that images that contain depictions of Sexuality are not permitted here. For viewers of ANY age. All that would be left therefore are images that stay within the DPC 'official' definition of art for legal purposes.
If that crosses the line, then I'm sure the government will knock on their digital door. At that time, the images will be removed.
But as has been pointed out MANY times already, minors ARE allowed to view nudity legally when depicted as art.
So don't worry about it ok? It will be fine. It's not your website, so relax. |
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03/29/2006 08:58:24 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
The human form is just that: a form. It is an intricate structure of skin, muscle and bone and if somebody has to turn something sexual into it then that is an issue they need to deal with.
Having grown up in an art education family, nudity in images and drawings was a part of my upbringing and I'm not a sexual deviate. |
The way an artist thinks is very different from others. I have this problem, the things which are just okey for me, i have seen thatfor many people they are too much.
I always wonder why my way of thinking do not match with them. And often i get into trouble for it. |
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03/29/2006 08:51:14 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sorry, but there's also a major, major gap between pornography and showing genitalia as well.
It amazes me that so many people that are fine with "nudity" are suddenly 100% against genitalia. *Especially* male genitalia. As if the penis is some mighty corrupter of all that is decent all of a sudden.
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I totally agree with you!!! I guess I was lucky that this picture has received so many positive comments, favorites and views.
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03/29/2006 08:33:08 AM · #5 |
The human form is just that: a form. It is an intricate structure of skin, muscle and bone and if somebody has to turn something sexual into it then that is an issue they need to deal with.
Having grown up in an art education family, nudity in images and drawings was a part of my upbringing and I'm not a sexual deviate. I agree with earlier comments about North America's hang up with nudity versus our acceptance of blatant violence. In my opinion, it should be the other way around.
Just my 2 cents. Going to hide now in case tomatoes start flying.
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03/29/2006 07:13:23 AM · #6 |
My 2 cents worth:
I like the photo in question, really good. No critique from me on it. Having read the comment, maybe it is just her personal opinion, and her moral convictions. No wrong in that. She will probably give the same comment to all nude photos she sees. |
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03/29/2006 07:11:09 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
agreed! Certainly in the UK girls of 15 are very worldly wise. And yes the girl does make positive comments which is probably why the VERY negative comments on even slightly sexual shots are so obvious.
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I feel its more of her parents fault, if she is been told that sex , nudity is sin. and if it been told to her many time, these things get into psyche. It become difficult to exorsice them.
Adn yes the girls about whom i said talk sex with me were indians, and we think india is conservative nation. |
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03/29/2006 07:08:03 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Oh come on, girls are just as "bad" as boys! Why do men think young girls don't talk about sex as much as boys and nowadays they are as exposed to nudity, sexual innuendoes etc.
I wasn't condemming her attitude nor jumping on her but her attitude isn't the norm so other youngsters should not be penalised on the site because of this. If she isn't comfortable with the nude or sexual overtones of the site ( photos and forum material at times) and is downvoting shots because of the content then I only said this is probably not the community for her to be part of at this time of her life.
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Well i know that girls talk about sex as much as guys do, because i have known some girls who talk with me about sex (if the topic be). And yes they were 17 (i was 9 yrs elder to them) that time when they started exploring this world.
And i do not disagree with you, i just wish to point out that some girls are not exposed, and it might take soem time to adjust. This girl has very recently joined the site. She might change (i hope).
The thing that bothered me more was that OPs avg vote cast was 3.3, obviously it means that she is handing out lot of 1s. Then the OP (willagher ) has made about 7 comments and all of them negative. So if she is so critical of others, why is she so purturbed by a kids comment.
I feel that this is duplicity, when she (willagher) votes she is very mean (even if she does not like to comment, but gives 1s) to others and then complain that she did not like the comments of someone.
And i went throught the comments made by the girl in talk, she has at least something positive to say (to some pciture she liked). |
agreed! Certainly in the UK girls of 15 are very worldly wise. And yes the girl does make positive comments which is probably why the VERY negative comments on even slightly sexual shots are so obvious.
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03/29/2006 07:01:23 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Oh come on, girls are just as "bad" as boys! Why do men think young girls don't talk about sex as much as boys and nowadays they are as exposed to nudity, sexual innuendoes etc.
I wasn't condemming her attitude nor jumping on her but her attitude isn't the norm so other youngsters should not be penalised on the site because of this. If she isn't comfortable with the nude or sexual overtones of the site ( photos and forum material at times) and is downvoting shots because of the content then I only said this is probably not the community for her to be part of at this time of her life.
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Well i know that girls talk about sex as much as guys do, because i have known some girls who talk with me about sex (if the topic be). And yes they were 17 (i was 9 yrs elder to them) that time when they started exploring this world.
And i do not disagree with you, i just wish to point out that some girls are not exposed, and it might take soem time to adjust. This girl has very recently joined the site. She might change (i hope).
The thing that bothered me more was that OPs avg vote cast was 3.3, obviously it means that she is handing out lot of 1s. Then the OP (willagher ) has made about 7 comments and all of them negative. So if she is so critical of others, why is she so purturbed by a kids comment.
I feel that this is duplicity, when she (willagher) votes she is very mean (even if she does not like to comment, but gives 1s) to others and then complain that she did not like the comments of someone.
And i went throught the comments made by the girl in talk, she has at least something positive to say (to some pciture she liked). |
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03/29/2006 06:35:25 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
BTW the young lady who posted the comment obviously has a very high moral attitutde to anything remotely to do with sex - clothed bodies or not - so I think taking her comment as a stereotype of the attitude of the majority of our younger members is probably misleading. Read through the other comments made by this girl if you want confirmation. not saying she is wrong to hold the opinion but if she is voting on these pics, then this is probably the wrong site for her.
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You may be correct but she is a kid, give her a little chance, she might change. Girls are not so exposed as guys are. It sometimes take time to adjust to all this. |
Oh come on, girls are just as "bad" as boys! Why do men think young girls don't talk about sex as much as boys and nowadays they are as exposed to nudity, sexual innuendoes etc.
I wasn't condemming her attitude nor jumping on her but her attitude isn't the norm so other youngsters should not be penalised on the site because of this. If she isn't comfortable with the nude or sexual overtones of the site ( photos and forum material at times) and is downvoting shots because of the content then I only said this is probably not the community for her to be part of at this time of her life.
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03/29/2006 05:16:42 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
BTW the young lady who posted the comment obviously has a very high moral attitutde to anything remotely to do with sex - clothed bodies or not - so I think taking her comment as a stereotype of the attitude of the majority of our younger members is probably misleading. Read through the other comments made by this girl if you want confirmation. not saying she is wrong to hold the opinion but if she is voting on these pics, then this is probably the wrong site for her.
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You may be correct but she is a kid, give her a little chance, she might change. Girls are not so exposed as guys are. It sometimes take time to adjust to all this. |
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03/29/2006 05:15:35 AM · #12 |
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Message edited by author 2006-03-29 05:17:06. |
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03/29/2006 05:11:02 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Yvonne - I have looked through your entries and cannot find a single nude in there! What photo was the comment made on? I'm probably going senile but it's driving me crazy trying to work out what could this young person have been offended by!
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SOMEBODY please solve this mystery for me!!!!!!!
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It's her low key entry... a manniquin torso. |
THANKS!!! I never thought this was a current challenge- DOH!
BTW the young lady who posted the comment obviously has a very high moral attitutde to anything remotely to do with sex - clothed bodies or not - so I think taking her comment as a stereotype of the attitude of the majority of our younger members is probably misleading. Read through the other comments made by this girl if you want confirmation. not saying she is wrong to hold the opinion but if she is voting on these pics, then this is probably the wrong site for her.
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03/29/2006 04:53:27 AM · #14 |
[Challenges Entered: 10
Votes Cast: 139
Avg Vote Cast: 3.3165
Votes Received: 2696
Avg Vote Received: 5.2786
Comments:
Made: 7
Helpful: 5
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Look at your average vote cast (it was below 3 last month). It seems that you yourself are too critical of others. Then you come here and create scene for just one comment on your entery. At least he left comment, I guess when you handed 1s to people you did not even bother to comment on them. As to why they deserved so low.
P.s: i know your avg vote cast was below 3 last month because i am your neighbour (USER_ID=47483), and we joined this site on same date, 7th nov 2005.
ps2 : You have made around 7 comments and none of them is positive.
Originally posted by willagher:
I recently received a comment from a younger member who objected to nudity in my photo..after assuring her that it wasn't really what she thought it was, I thought that perhaps this may not be the place for the younger photographers to hone their skills, at least not those with moral objections to subject matter...I guess this would apply to anyone with the same objections. However, I did not want to discourage her from participating in the challenges..isn't their a filter for nudity?
Has anyone else received similiar comments? |
Message edited by author 2006-03-29 05:06:38. |
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03/29/2006 04:50:43 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Yvonne - I have looked through your entries and cannot find a single nude in there! What photo was the comment made on? I'm probably going senile but it's driving me crazy trying to work out what could this young person have been offended by!
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SOMEBODY please solve this mystery for me!!!!!!!
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It's her low key entry... a manniquin torso. |
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03/29/2006 04:46:10 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Yvonne - I have looked through your entries and cannot find a single nude in there! What photo was the comment made on? I'm probably going senile but it's driving me crazy trying to work out what could this young person have been offended by!
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SOMEBODY please solve this mystery for me!!!!!!!
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03/29/2006 04:44:32 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
It is DPC's responsibility to create an environment where children who aren't even old enough to drive aren't exposed to things that are innapproriate. |
Seenosun, you are doing exactly what I commented on before - your statement presupposes that viewing any nudity is intrinsically inappropriate for under-18s. The responses I made before still apply. If you are going to argue that DPC needs to do more, you first need to establish that seeing the sort of nudity present on DPC is prima facie inappropriate for people under 18. To date, you have not done this.
The leap from nudity present on a site to a 50-year-old male contacting underage members to discuss their reactions to nudity is a pretty massive leap.
I hope your comment about your dominatrix wife not seeing under-18 clients without a note from home was sarcastic (I admit it, I can't tell), because the idea of a dominatrix with a 17-yo client is orders of magnitude more creepy than even the 50-year-old male contacting the underage member, let alone teens being able to see nudity.
Your argument about kids being prevented from seeing nudity in movies because of R ratings doesn't hold water. I have seen at least one American mainstream movie with full-frontal nudity in a cinema, where it was rated M - recommended for viewers over 15 years, but no restrictions on younger viewers entering.
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03/29/2006 03:41:10 AM · #18 |
I see nothing wrong with artistic nudes showing genitalia. The genitals are simply part of the body. If the nude shot is done tastefully there should not be a problem.
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03/29/2006 03:35:07 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
It amazes me that so many people that are fine with "nudity" are suddenly 100% against genitalia. *Especially* male genitalia. As if the penis is some mighty corrupter of all that is decent all of a sudden. |
Well you know what they say...
The penis mightier than the sword. |
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03/29/2006 03:05:33 AM · #20 |
Sorry, but there's also a major, major gap between pornography and showing genitalia as well.
It amazes me that so many people that are fine with "nudity" are suddenly 100% against genitalia. *Especially* male genitalia. As if the penis is some mighty corrupter of all that is decent all of a sudden.
Amazing.
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03/29/2006 03:03:24 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Judi:
I propose a new rule for DPC; the No Clothes Rule.
That's right, any people, men or women, in any photograph posted, must be completely naked head to toe. I think it's high time we helped popularize the burqua, for both men and women. That would eliminate any risk at all that soemone over 18 might accidentally see some clothes that would give them wrong ideas and pollute their psyches.
See how ridiculous that is.
Now come on...it's a free world. You make your own choices....don't put your opinions on everyone else. As stated earlier...no parents have complained about the current status...so would should someone else tell us what our children should and shouldn't see. If you feel you need to tell the world to grow up....then get out there and stop the amount of violence being shown. |
I think it's ridiculous that you are both promoting wearing the burqua AND nudity at the same time. Obviously you didn't read my post before copying it and changing a few key words. Hopefully, you didn't take it seriously either.
Your rule is OK too, D&L can just charge your credit card $9.99/month every month, unless you call to cancel, for access to Digital Porno Challenge. |
Hahahaha....funny!! I have a child member here and...oh heck, I won't go into it again. But whilst I believe it is up to the parent to control what their children see, I also believe there is no need to show porn. I love studying the human form and that does include nudity...but all of my models know that I refuse to photograph genitalia....I do not feel there is any need for it and I will usually go to great extents to ensure that it isn't included in any photograph....even ones that don't make the cutting board.
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03/29/2006 02:32:10 AM · #22 |
| I believe it should be up to the parents to control what their children are looking at on the internet, whether it be this site or any other site. |
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03/29/2006 02:21:43 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Judi:
I propose a new rule for DPC; the No Clothes Rule.
That's right, any people, men or women, in any photograph posted, must be completely naked head to toe. I think it's high time we helped popularize the burqua, for both men and women. That would eliminate any risk at all that soemone over 18 might accidentally see some clothes that would give them wrong ideas and pollute their psyches.
See how ridiculous that is.
Now come on...it's a free world. You make your own choices....don't put your opinions on everyone else. As stated earlier...no parents have complained about the current status...so would should someone else tell us what our children should and shouldn't see. If you feel you need to tell the world to grow up....then get out there and stop the amount of violence being shown. |
I think it's ridiculous that you are both promoting wearing the burqua AND nudity at the same time. Obviously you didn't read my post before copying it and changing a few key words. Hopefully, you didn't take it seriously either.
Your rule is OK too, D&L can just charge your credit card $9.99/month every month, unless you call to cancel, for access to Digital Porno Challenge.
Message edited by author 2006-03-29 02:23:54. |
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03/29/2006 01:40:20 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by seenosun:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I haven't seen a temper tantrum like this since Nbsca7 left... |
That's a pretty strong statement/attack just because I feel strongly about children under 18 providing parental consent. It is my opinion. I have presented facts and examples to support my opinion. I have not attacked you in this discussion so how about a little respect. You may not agree with me but I am entitled to my opinion. |
Wasn't this thread started because you were upset about a comment a kid left on your photo? |
this thread wasn't started by me. I agreed with the OP that filters should be in place for nudes on challenges. I have also stated children under 18 not 13 should provide parental consent before joining DPC. i never attacked you. Why do you feel the need to attack me? |
I'm not attacking you. Grow thicker skin.
Question though, why would you have to be 18 to view here what you can see in a pg-13 movie?
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03/29/2006 01:36:01 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by seenosun:
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I haven't seen a temper tantrum like this since Nbsca7 left... |
That's a pretty strong statement/attack just because I feel strongly about children under 18 providing parental consent. It is my opinion. I have presented facts and examples to support my opinion. I have not attacked you in this discussion so how about a little respect. You may not agree with me but I am entitled to my opinion. |
Wasn't this thread started because you were upset about a comment a kid left on your photo? |
this thread wasn't started by me. I agreed with the OP that filters should be in place for nudes on challenges. I have also stated children under 18 not 13 should provide parental consent before joining DPC. i never attacked you. Why do you feel the need to attack me? |
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