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 11/16/2005 08:28:03 PM · #51
Rose,

Go back to the other post not just that one and see how rude you sound.
Now you lighten up!
 11/16/2005 08:34:00 PM · #52
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by coolhar:

In this thread, and in many others before it, there have been several valid reasons for anonymous comments brought forward. I have yet to see any advantage to knowing immediately the identity of every commenter. Unless you know you are going to die tommorow, why can't you just keep your drawers dry until voting is over?


Coolhar, once again you've nailed it.

I would encourage newer members to sit back and relax -- see how the site works before making suggestions on how to improve it. After some time, they might come to see for themselves why some people prefer to take steps to ensure that they don't receive angry private messages, or rude public dissections of a comment that was surely intended to be helpful rather than hurtful.


I have seen a lot of this kind of thing. "New members should do this or that, or sit back and learn, or wait, or etc". I think what some don't understand is that we didn't learn to walk and talk and think just upon happening upon this site. We did long ago (well, since I turned 46 yesterday, in my case it was LONG ago! :) ) In any case, I myself have owned about 12 different forums in my time. Right now I have one that is just general discussion. I was also involved in pageantry and still am a pageant director. I have judged, voted, commented, owned, been in front and behind the scenes of forums and voting and competition - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

With that, and my own educated opinion, I am simply stating my view based on my experience. I am not telling DPC how to run their site. Someone started a thread here with the intention of voicing their views on anon voting. I had my own and I agree with that poster. It is beating a dead horse and simply opinion, but it isn't like anyone is petitioning a vote on changing the rules here.

I think it is some of the veterans here that need to lighten up. It is my opinion that some of you most likely have had this subject gone over and over ad nauseum. We "newbies" have not and care to discuss it. If it annoys you, like some threads annoy me, what I do is just skip em. But don't think for one instant I would be annoyed with PM's. I have been there, done that, and own the T-Shirt. I can handle it all, without turning off the switch.

Rose
 11/16/2005 08:46:40 PM · #53
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Several asked outward questions they were obviously stumped on. I just wanted to reach through the screen. One I did PM. A lovely woman in which her and I saw very valid points and it was a nice discussion. A few commentors were bagged.

YET, at the end I DID explain the answers, but do those commentors feel "strongly enough" AFTER the competition to go and look for their answers? I think not, since no one commented after the answers were given.

If I was getting questions rather than comments on my shots, then I would think the shot had failed to communicate its meaning.

Photographers generally don't have the opportunity to give explanations of their images to every viewer. The image has to speak for itself.
 11/16/2005 08:49:09 PM · #54
Originally posted by rex:
Rose,

Go back to the other post not just that one and see how rude you sound.
Now you lighten up!


Do you mean this one?

Originally posted by Rose8699:

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Without going on and on, let's just say that it is "my personal opinion" that I agree wholeheartedly with the thread starter here. I was not going to even comment further, but your stating you leave your name up in hopes of getting prints bought - well, that just struck a sour note with me. Now I know why those are anon are anon, and why those that aren't, aren't. I just wish it was all of one or the other, but this is a world of choices and opinions. God Bless America!

Rose

I'm confused, do you want to buy a print or not?
I can give you a good price :-)

I already gathered you were confused, but to end your plight, I will just give you a flat out no. If I want a print for my wall, I simply will go out and take one, and have many times! LOL..Thanks for the offer though!! That reminds me, I'm off to check ebay!

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It is my opinion that what you meant was that my post was so loooong that it confused you and you obviously were being sarcastic still asking me if I wanted to buy a print cheap when I stated already I would not be doing so. Sorry if that came across as rude, but I usually reply in how I am responded to. Sarcastic posts usually begat sarcastic responses. I know you didn't mean to be sarcastic, but to say that you were really only showing yourself during voting to get prints bought was to me, low.

With that said, the thread starter is gone now. Obviously annoyed by the "ganging up" that he encountered by the things stated before he left by the 'vets'. I stayed and have said my peace, as have all of you. I think both points have been well taken.

Before this gets too heated for kitchen mits, I am off to watch my shows...:)

Rose
 11/16/2005 08:50:09 PM · #55
Originally posted by jhonan:
The image has to speak for itself.


Maybe so, but sometimes the viewer does not know how to listen...
 11/16/2005 08:53:10 PM · #56
Now I am confused. I never said nothing about a print. I just thought your remarks were rude. That is all.

I am using my paid member right now and click the little list arrow at the top then clicking ignore.

Boy is it great to be a paid member.
 11/16/2005 08:55:16 PM · #57
Rose, neither you nor the OP have made any convincing points about why it would be better if people were not allowed to be bagged. And you both continually ignore the valid points other posters are making. Why don't you address the issue and tell us what you think would be gained if commenters were not allowed to be bagged?

You appear to be argueing solely for thse sake of argueing. You are undermining your own credibility.

Just my two cents.
11/16/2005 09:01:15 PM · #58
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Several asked outward questions they were obviously stumped on. I just wanted to reach through the screen. One I did PM. A lovely woman in which her and I saw very valid points and it was a nice discussion. A few commentors were bagged.

YET, at the end I DID explain the answers, but do those commentors feel "strongly enough" AFTER the competition to go and look for their answers? I think not, since no one commented after the answers were given.

If I was getting questions rather than comments on my shots, then I would think the shot had failed to communicate its meaning.

Photographers generally don't have the opportunity to give explanations of their images to every viewer. The image has to speak for itself.


One more before I go - obviously those were the reasons for the questions. When someone wants to know if the dog in my GARBAGE photo WAS NAMED "garbage" because they couldn't see the HUGE-TRASHED-OLD box spring it was sleeping on in the photo, and the photo was called "cozy garbage" and not "meet my dog, Garbage" (LMAO), then one tends to want to answer them. In that case the photo along with the title SHOULD and DID speak for itself. HOWEVER, I will bite the bullet on that one because although I had 1's to 10's for votes, and it was split 1/2 and 1/2 as to votes and who saw it and who didn't, I will admit another angle shot would have been better for those that could not recognize a box spring outside, in the bush and brush, was actually garbage.

Would I have PM'ed them to harrass? ABSOLUTELY not. I would have simply told them that the dog was not named garbage and the garbage was the box spring (which some thought was a matt, or "too good" to be garbage). LOL....(By the way, does anyone ever name their dog "garbage"?..LOL.)

Ok, I'm off now! Talk more later. No offense to anyone. This is simply a "forum", and one for voicing views. Heated debate, or debate of anykind is healthy for the mind. If it wasn't for debate and discussion, there wouldn't be any forums. I know I come off as standoffish, and I can't help that. I was trained in college in Office Administration and was in management since I was 16, so I know I come off badly in these venues. It's just my make up (although my spelling and grammar have declined since those days :) ) I don't mean to be rude. To really know me is to love me! So hugs to all, but its night night for bonzo.

Rose
 11/16/2005 09:11:46 PM · #59
Originally posted by coolhar:
Rose, neither you nor the OP have made any convincing points about why it would be better if people were not allowed to be bagged. And you both continually ignore the valid points other posters are making. Why don't you address the issue and tell us what you think would be gained if commenters were not allowed to be bagged?

You appear to be argueing solely for thse sake of argueing. You are undermining your own credibility.

Just my two cents.


Ok, just one more.

I think the thread starter here made some very valid points as to why anons shouldn't be anons. I agreed with him. Another said that they would prefer that all were anon, and I agreed that way too. All or nothing at all. Both were shot down, as you can read, by those who were not convinced they were valid or convincing points - and who never will for their own reasons. That is why I know this horse is dead and we are all just stating our views - convincing views or not.

I personally do not care for ANY comments on my photos. They are all over the place and confusing to the new photographer and the old. When one says it needs more light and another says it needs to be darker, then what good is it to get comments? I never cared for them. I give them only because others care to have them, and only on the ones I vote the highest on. To get them? I could really care less. HOWEVER, if you are going to give them, then be accountable for your words. If that doesn't make sense, and isn't convincing enough, then what would be?

So here is my final take:

1. NO comments at all and just votes. Open a thread later and ask about certain photos that really hit you good or hit you bad, or why you voted as you did.
2. Comments with no names at all. This way no one has to worry about PM'ing.
3. Comments with no anons. All accountable for their words.

BUT, like I said, this is America, land of free speech - anon or not and according to policies in this forum. It's just my view, but that is what I think of the voting and the hidden voters.

But straight up, what me and the opening thread starter here is simply saying the reason for being NOT BAGGED is "BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR COMMENTS" at the time of voting, when it counts for the viewer, the voter, and the photographer.

Rose

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 21:19:41.
 11/16/2005 09:28:32 PM · #60
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I think the thread starter here made some very valid points as to why anons shouldn't be anons. I agreed with him.
What point(s) was that?

Originally posted by Rose8699:
HOWEVER, if you are going to give them, then be accountable for your words. If that doesn't make sense, and isn't convincing enough, then what would be?
Here you repeat the same mistake that the OP made, that being bagged is not being accountable for your words. The consensus of opinion, and I would say the fact, is that commenters are accountable for their words whether they are bagged or not.

I repeat my question -- what would be gained by baning anonymous commenting?

And another question for you or the OP -- why should some users get trashed just because they take advantage of an option the site offers?
11/16/2005 09:30:43 PM · #61
Originally posted by rex:
Now I am confused. I never said nothing about a print. I just thought your remarks were rude. That is all.

I am using my paid member right now and click the little list arrow at the top then clicking ignore.

Boy is it great to be a paid member.


Oh goody, theres a commercial on.

I'm also a paid member, just so you know. Yet, I will be using that about as often as I use the bag-me button in voting.

You DID state that keeping your name open while voting could result in a hit to your prints in which others may buy. Therefore, I don't see how you can say you said nothing about prints. I think you just meant to say your personal reasons behind why you don't prefer to be anon, but it just hit me as in being an agenda. I responded the way I did because of that. Sorry if I was rude, but to me that means you may only be commenting just for those hits as well. The more comments, the more hits to your profile, hence the more hits to your sales. So your comments "could be" being made half fast and often just for sales purposes.

If I am wrong, please state so, and I will apologize without a wink. If I am right, then to me that is an agenda.

Rose
 11/16/2005 09:35:13 PM · #62
Rose, it was not rex that made the joke about the prints, it was another user. You'll see that if you re-read the thread.
 11/16/2005 09:36:24 PM · #63
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I've never been a baghead, but I'm thinking of doing it now, just to piss some people off :-)

Although I do think there is an advantage to not being a baghead :

every time I leave a comment on someones entry, there's the possibility that they will check out my profile, like something they see and want to buy a print of it.
If my identity was revealed at the end of the challenge, I think the chance of that happening would be less.
I don't think this has ever actually happen and probably never will, but still.........


Rose, It was not Rex that talked about buying prints. It was Unclebro. Just to help straighten things out a bit.
 11/16/2005 09:39:03 PM · #64
Originally posted by Rose8699:
In that case the photo along with the title SHOULD and DID speak for itself.

Then why did it generate so many questions?

Originally posted by Rose8699:
HOWEVER, I will bite the bullet on that one because although I had 1's to 10's for votes, and it was split 1/2 and 1/2 as to votes and who saw it and who didn't,

Do you really believe your voting split was that clear cut? - For example, if you had changed the angle slightly to make it obvious that it was a box-spring so that 100% of people could 'see it' do you think it would have scored much higher?

You claim the title 'cozy garbage' was also obvious. Can you not see that this might also be interpreted as 'This is garbage and he's cozy' ? - Especially when the garbage is not obvious in the shot, this is the next logical assumption.

One of the first things to strike me when I started receiving comments was that not everyone interprets things the same way I do! *I* was there when I took the shot so *I* know the context of the subject. I can't assume that everyone else should be able to read my mind and see things the way I see them; that would just be arrogant.

But then, I do value comments very highly, regardless of the standing or reputation of the commentor. Comments give me some insight into how others view my images. Which helps me improve my photography immensely.

Incidently, to address the OP (and as others have stated on this thread) the 'bagheads' identify is revealed at the end of the challenge, at which stage they are accountable for their comments.
 11/16/2005 09:54:31 PM · #65
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I think the thread starter here made some very valid points as to why anons shouldn't be anons. I agreed with him.
What point(s) was that?

Originally posted by Rose8699:
HOWEVER, if you are going to give them, then be accountable for your words. If that doesn't make sense, and isn't convincing enough, then what would be?
Here you repeat the same mistake that the OP made, that being bagged is not being accountable for your words. The consensus of opinion, and I would say the fact, is that commenters are accountable for their words whether they are bagged or not.

I repeat my question -- what would be gained by baning anonymous commenting?

And another question for you or the OP -- why should some users get trashed just because they take advantage of an option the site offers?


I don't understand where the lack of understanding is coming from on your part.

Here is an example: One of my comments on my garbage entry was "Is the garbage the name of the dog?"

Now, that was not a rhetorical question, yet they were bagged and could not be answered. So, what do you think they voted on that photo? A 3? A 2? "Maybe", if I was lucky, a 5 simply because they went the middle of the road since they were confused?

In hindsight, had they not questioned me at all, and just voted, I wouldn't have been the wiser. So there is the reason for no comments being made, IMO. Them being bagged? I had to accept that their vote was made without malice, but also ignorantly. Them not being bagged? I could have PM'd them and told them "no, the garbage is the mattress". Would that have changed their vote? Maybe, maybe not, but it would have answered their question.

Now, in the case of those comments that are annoying many people on many threads aside from myself is the "I don't see camoflauge in your photo", and there are arguments going on as to what camo really is and really means, be it a disquise or not, yadda yadda. I would assume that many of those voters are voting good photos down for the reason of either or. If they were able to PM them, and tell them what their concept was, it "may" or "may not" change the view of the voter, but at least the photographer isn't standing there biting their nails at a bagged commentor.

I started a thread in which I asked about "Inquiring Comments". If you go and read it, you will see that it was said by a council member, I believe, that one can PM a voter but that you take the risk of no longer being anon with that voter. I am ok with that, because I really don't see a risk. Not to me anyway.

This could go both ways. Let's say a commentor is PM'd by a well known ribbon-winning veteran about a comment they made in which they said "I don't see the garbage or camo in your photo". The commmentor MAY say "OMG, that is SO AND SO, and I had better go and up their score now!". LOL...So you can see that it could hurt me more than help me when it comes to PM's and whether or not my photo remain anon to the commentor. For ME, it may be "who the heck is she and why should I care?", and they may even vote me down.

So as you can see, those are my reasons for banning anon voting. I think they all make perfect sense. For an addition to this, now that I can see who asked me questions on my garbage photo during voting, do you really THINK for an instant that if I PM them right now about how it was the mattress and not the dog that they will give a monkey's wink? No. During voting, they may have said "OH Yeah!". Now they will say "oh yeah, I did make that comment. Oh well.". So it is beneficial, at least to me, that you are accountable (meaning stating your name and not being bagged) during the voting process.

I am sorry this was so winded, but hopefully this explination fits better to your needs.

Rose
 11/16/2005 09:59:35 PM · #66
That's the point though. No one is given a chance to explain their photo and IMO shouldn't. The image should stand on it's own.

If you're getting questions then think about the presentation as to how your concept could of been presented better, not how you should be able to give a dissertation to the questioner so they understand what you were trying to do.
 11/16/2005 09:59:38 PM · #67
Sorry Rose but your post doesn't make any sense to me.
 11/16/2005 10:00:23 PM · #68
Originally posted by A1275:
Rose, it was not rex that made the joke about the prints, it was another user. You'll see that if you re-read the thread.


Oh, to you and myst, you are both totally correct!!

My sincerest apologies to rex then!! COME BACK REX...LOL..When you said to look up to the next comment to see my rudeness, I picked the wrong one. I am still confused and don't see my rudeness, unless you meant the one I made not to you but to unclebro? Not sure. But I apologize anyway, really. My fault.

AND my rudeness I guess moves over to unclebro. :)

Rose
 11/16/2005 10:02:01 PM · #69
Rex didn't want to sell you a print, I did.
Now did you want one or not?

I'm just kidding by the way.
As I do most of the time.

"Life's a laugh and death is a joke you'll see.
So, always look on the bright side of life....."
 11/16/2005 10:24:12 PM · #70
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
In that case the photo along with the title SHOULD and DID speak for itself.

Then why did it generate so many questions?

Originally posted by Rose8699:
HOWEVER, I will bite the bullet on that one because although I had 1's to 10's for votes, and it was split 1/2 and 1/2 as to votes and who saw it and who didn't,

Do you really believe your voting split was that clear cut? - For example, if you had changed the angle slightly to make it obvious that it was a box-spring so that 100% of people could 'see it' do you think it would have scored much higher?

You claim the title 'cozy garbage' was also obvious. Can you not see that this might also be interpreted as 'This is garbage and he's cozy' ? - Especially when the garbage is not obvious in the shot, this is the next logical assumption.

One of the first things to strike me when I started receiving comments was that not everyone interprets things the same way I do! *I* was there when I took the shot so *I* know the context of the subject. I can't assume that everyone else should be able to read my mind and see things the way I see them; that would just be arrogant.

But then, I do value comments very highly, regardless of the standing or reputation of the commentor. Comments give me some insight into how others view my images. Which helps me improve my photography immensely.

Incidently, to address the OP (and as others have stated on this thread) the 'bagheads' identify is revealed at the end of the challenge, at which stage they are accountable for their comments.


For your first question, I do not know why it generated a few questions. Some comments were good and nice, and only a few had this issue. However, I did say that had I taken a better angle it may have been better for those that didn't understand it was a box spring. And yes, I do think the votes would have been higher - not just in the better angle shot, but if I was able to PM those that had a couple of questions.

For your second question, I don't understand the misrepresentation of the title. Cozy is an adjetive. Garbage is the noun. I think it was quite obvious that "the dog was cozy on the garbage" and not in the literal sense that his name (noun) was cozy, and on the (noun) garbage, or vica versa. Like I said, many did get it, hence the few tens, nines, eights, sevens, and substantial fives. I also think the garbage was obvious, ONLY if one knows what a box spring looks like, and I guess that was a wild assumption on my part to think so. If one doesn't, then I can see the questions.

For your third comment, I understand totally that not all get a concept one may have. I myself have a lot of trouble understanding some photos I view, but if I am going to question them about it, then I expect to be PM'd or at least offer them the option to PM me and let me in on it. That is the reason why I think commentors should not be anon. Otherwise why ask the question if you really don't care to know before you vote?

As to valuing comments? To me it depends on who is commenting. There are some I have really come to respect the opinions of. I would ask them first, probably before even entering a contest with it, and if I had any questions about it. But that is rare. Usually I just go by the seat of my pants, and comments only tend to confuse me when they are mixed reviews by many people. I don't see anything gained in that scenario. BUT that is just me. A lot of people love comments. I am just not one of them.

And lastly, I know all about the "after contest" thing where all is revealed. However, not much matters then, IMO. The contest is over and all are too involved in their own outcome to care about what the dogs name was or what the garbage was. LOL...Just like in camo. When some go to answer those others about why they didn't see camo in their photo, it will really be of little circumstance. Sort of like stolen thunder. The moment is gone.

Thanks for your post though. I did appreciate it.

Rose

11/16/2005 10:28:30 PM · #71
Answering the questions at the end of a challenge is always an option. Also, by putting something in the photographers comments for viewing after the challenge is almost always helpful as well.
 11/16/2005 10:31:40 PM · #72
Originally posted by coolhar:
Sorry Rose but your post doesn't make any sense to me.


Sorry. Makes perfect sense to me.

Rose
 11/16/2005 10:42:04 PM · #73
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
That's the point though. No one is given a chance to explain their photo and IMO shouldn't. The image should stand on it's own.

If you're getting questions then think about the presentation as to how your concept could of been presented better, not how you should be able to give a dissertation to the questioner so they understand what you were trying to do.


I'm sorry, I just don't agree. If some have questions and ask them, they should give the photographer at least the opportunity to answer. Comments that are way over here about contrast and then way over there about contrast are really just off the wall and not even needed, IMO.

It all comes down to the fact that we all enter photos that we think are good and do stand on their own. Otherwise why enter them? What matters really is the votes in the contests and not the comments, IMO. We can always get mentoring on antoher part of the forum, or go to other sites and see how the photos do before we enter them, or even ask a photography teacher if you have one - anyone you know and admire in teh field that is unassociated with where you are entering it. BUT, to get 15 to 30 comments all off the wall and coming from different planets from those that you don't know, well, it is just not something I care to contend with and don't.

Some I just laugh at, and not to be arrogant, but when they are so wierd, it is just funny. Right now in another site I have two comments on a photo. LOL...One says perfect detail, perfect lighting, perfect composition. One says "I wish the lighting was better on this photo and the composition is a bit off". Two completely opposing views. Am I supposed to take heed to either one of them? No. How can I? Which one would you think to take heed to? LOL...

It will always be where some like Jim Brandenson and some like Freeman Patterson (probably spelled those wrong, sorry). It is really neither here nor there, and that is a main reason why I don't care for any comment. That is just my take, and obviously one that is in the minority.

Rose
 11/16/2005 10:44:34 PM · #74
Originally posted by Rose8699:

It will always be where some like Jim Brandenson and some like Freeman Patterson (probably spelled those wrong, sorry). It is really neither here nor there, and that is a main reason why I don't care for any comment. That is just my take, and obviously one that is in the minority.

Rose


If you don't care about any comments, why are you making such a fuss about the anonymity of some comments?

R.
 11/16/2005 10:47:38 PM · #75
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Rex didn't want to sell you a print, I did.
Now did you want one or not?

I'm just kidding by the way.
As I do most of the time.

"Life's a laugh and death is a joke you'll see.
So, always look on the bright side of life....."


Gotcha! LOL... I tell you what unclebro. Since you are so intent on your prints being good enough to sell, I WILL go take a look. If I have questions or comment, feel free to PM me about them. Deal? LOL..

Rose
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