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11/16/2005 04:58:54 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
sometimes I want to see the profile of someone leaving a message. I would never PM someone to badmouth, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I want to know if the person 1. is a photographer and 2. I would like to see their images. This is because I would like to know where criticism is coming from.
To me someone's profile is the only way we know if they are in fact knowledgeable. If I get advice from someone with pictures all around 3 as a score, I may not be as likely to take what they say seriously, now if someone leaves me advice and they have ribbons and amazing pictures, I would take them a bit more seriously. Your profile is your photographic resume, it states instantly if you are capable of giving advice.
There is no activity/sport/profession in which beginners teach or offer constructive critism, why should this be different. |
I agree with that. It should be for the purposes of seeing whether or not a comment is even worth the time. Also, someone said "what if the questions to me were rhetorical". They were not. They were outward questions on my entry. But, we all have opinions, and mine is just one. I just don't feel the anon factor is needed, and if someone writes you and reveals their identity by doing so, it can hurt them as much as help, so anon or not, it really is of no matter, IMO.
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11/16/2005 05:01:41 PM · #27 |
But you can see who made the comment at the end of the challenge and then evaluate it's worth then.
What difference does it make?
You just have to wait a few days before you can feel justified in your anger at their comment.
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11/16/2005 05:04:49 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
how often do you take a child's advice to heart. |
far more often than i do an adults ;)
Its not a matter of standing by thier comments. Bagheads do stand by their comments just as much as non bagheads. They just dont want you to PM them because they also stand by the anon voting system. Does a week of not knowing really hurt you that much? |
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11/16/2005 05:07:30 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
To me someone's profile is the only way we know if they are in fact knowledgeable. If I get advice from someone with pictures all around 3 as a score, I may not be as likely to take what they say seriously, now if someone leaves me advice and they have ribbons and amazing pictures, I would take them a bit more seriously. Your profile is your photographic resume, it states instantly if you are capable of giving advice. |
What is the difference if you this instantaneously, or if you know at the end of voting. It's all revealed in the end and you can make your assesments at that point.
Also, who says an amateur can't make a valid point, or a pro make a stupid point.
Message edited by author 2005-11-16 17:09:03. |
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11/16/2005 05:08:16 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
But you can see who made the comment at the end of the challenge and then evaluate it's worth then.
What difference does it make?
You just have to wait a few days before you can feel justified in your anger at their comment. |
Yes, and same goes for leaving comments that are bagged. I really don't see the difference in being anon till the end. The anon factor is really a hurt either way in some cases to whoever would bully you in PM's. So yes, I agree, what difference does it make?
I say stand by the comment as and when it is made. Obviously during the challenge is when the comments are most important. Otherwise why not make comments AFTER the challenge instead of during?
My garbage entry for example. Several asked outward questions they were obviously stumped on. I just wanted to reach through the screen. One I did PM. A lovely woman in which her and I saw very valid points and it was a nice discussion. A few commentors were bagged.
YET, at the end I DID explain the answers, but do those commentors feel "strongly enough" AFTER the competition to go and look for their answers? I think not, since no one commented after the answers were given. So comments and being accountable for them during challenge voting is more formidable to me then afterwards.
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11/16/2005 05:10:19 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
sometimes I want to see the profile of someone leaving a message. I would never PM someone to badmouth, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I want to know if the person 1. is a photographer and 2. I would like to see their images. This is because I would like to know where criticism is coming from.
To me someone's profile is the only way we know if they are in fact knowledgeable........ |
Hmmm... interesting. To you it is important to see who left a comment, yet your own "profile" is that of a gender-less registered user (i.e. no portfolio), without a profile photo or ANY other information about yourself. |
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11/16/2005 05:15:55 PM · #32 |
I think that all voters' identities should be hidden until the voting is over. Check out the forums of any current challenge and you will see alot of chumming.
--JR |
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11/16/2005 05:30:48 PM · #33 |
I just registered. And besides, all the important info is there. You can see what camera I shoot with and what lens or lack there of I shoot with, and in a week, you will see two pictures in my portfolio. Do you want my phone number or address or height/weight, maybe my SSN# what do you need?
To whoever said "an amateaur can make a good point and a pro make a stupid point" you are right on, but a comment on technical merit should be justified. I do not leave ANY neg comments other than 'does not meet challenge'. This is because I am not technically sound enough to make judgements on that stuff.
Here is another valid point. We are now shooting for the next challenge, any info on previous challenges is helpful, as long as it comes from a viable source. Waiting till Tuesday to find out who is a viable source doesn't work. This is a learning experience for all so no one should feel the need to hide. |
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11/16/2005 05:55:23 PM · #34 |
I don't care what your qualifications are - if you don't like my picture, I'd like to hear why. I don't care if you have a 4.0 lifetime DPC average or a 6.8. I find all comments valuable and mark them as so. I'm always grateful that someone has taken the time to respond to my creation, regardless of their rudeness, brilliance, etc.
Your last sentence shows that I've failed to communicate my point adequately. I "hide under the bag" for a reason that is entirely valid for me. The fact that you don't feel the need to do so is fine, and I accept that. But your absolute failure to accept that there might be legitimate reasons for doing so is puzzling and frustrating.
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Here is another valid point. We are now shooting for the next challenge, any info on previous challenges is helpful, as long as it comes from a viable source. Waiting till Tuesday to find out who is a viable source doesn't work. This is a learning experience for all so no one should feel the need to hide. |
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11/16/2005 05:56:23 PM · #35 |
Why the continuous need to harass and persecute baggies, just because they choose to be baggies. They have valid reasons for choosing to be one. They very obviously stand behind their comments knowing they will be revealed in less than seven days.
Why would there be a need to know any sooner except to possibly sway their vote. It's a photo contest, the photo should stand on its own visual merit and not a verbal explanation.
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11/16/2005 06:03:55 PM · #36 |
I just don't think anyone needs to hide, say what you want be an expert or newbie, just stand up for yourself.
The fact that you don't understand that it does matter who is commenting is puzzling and frustrating. There is a reason I don't teach advanced physics at a college, or a pilot, or a doctor. I know nothing about it. The same goes here. Profiles are like resumes.
I want to know where critiques are coming from. You wouldn't take medical advice from some dude on the street, and you shouldn't take photo advice from someone who has never shot a camera.
On that note, I am out of work and going home now. Enjoyed all teh opinions, glad I could get so many people wound up. Have a good night Strangeghost. |
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11/16/2005 06:49:41 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
If I get advice from someone with pictures all around 3 as a score, I may not be as likely to take what they say seriously, now if someone leaves me advice and they have ribbons and amazing pictures, I would take them a bit more seriously. Your profile is your photographic resume, it states instantly if you are capable of giving advice. |
This is real funny when you look at your score received.
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11/16/2005 07:00:52 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
I think that all voters' identities should be hidden until the voting is over. Check out the forums of any current challenge and you will see alot of chumming.
--JR |
This is VERY true. Could go the other route too and have it completely anon. That would work for me! :)
Rose |
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11/16/2005 07:09:40 PM · #39 |
| I think dpchallenge does a great job and I love the way its set up. I have no problem so far with anything. I like the ideal not seeing who is doing the voting or making a comment until the challenge is over. |
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11/16/2005 07:11:36 PM · #40 |
I've never been a baghead, but I'm thinking of doing it now, just to piss some people off :-)
Although I do think there is an advantage to not being a baghead :
every time I leave a comment on someones entry, there's the possibility that they will check out my profile, like something they see and want to buy a print of it.
If my identity was revealed at the end of the challenge, I think the chance of that happening would be less.
I don't think this has ever actually happen and probably never will, but still.........
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11/16/2005 07:40:34 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
I disagree. Ask a child thier honest opinion on something, and it will probably be the most valuable critique you will get in just about any genre. |
Thanks, mesmeraj! I usually tend not to comment on images, and when I do comment, I choose to comment anonymously, because of this kind of thread. Putting the bag on doesn't mean you're weak; I think some people just don't want their name or their comment posted in a public forum.
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
To me someone's profile is the only way we know if they are in fact knowledgeable. If I get advice from someone with pictures all around 3 as a score, I may not be as likely to take what they say seriously, now if someone leaves me advice and they have ribbons and amazing pictures, I would take them a bit more seriously. Your profile is your photographic resume, it states instantly if you are capable of giving advice. |
Just because someone can't take amazing pictures doesn't mean they can't give amazing comments. Some people know what they like and understand what makes a picture good, even if their own photographs don't reflect it. All comments should be read carefully, and the advice given in them put to use to improve your own photography.
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11/16/2005 07:45:21 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I've never been a baghead, but I'm thinking of doing it now, just to piss some people off :-)
Although I do think there is an advantage to not being a baghead :
every time I leave a comment on someones entry, there's the possibility that they will check out my profile, like something they see and want to buy a print of it.
If my identity was revealed at the end of the challenge, I think the chance of that happening would be less.
I don't think this has ever actually happen and probably never will, but still......... |
OH, I see, so you have an agenda behind being seen in commenting rather than anon, but wish you could remain anon? Well,...LOL..in that case, I will make it a point not to look at your profile just to piss YOU off :) Besides, you wouldn't have to worry about me buying any of your pics. As for pissing me off by being anon? I don't really care much for or about the comments. I enter for the votes and the fun, and when you get comments like "needs more contrast" and then another that says "too much contrast"...LOL..for the most part, I could really do without any comments at all.
In order for me to get comments on my work, I really have to respect the person that is giving it in order to give it any seriousness. So without a name showing, I will never get to know those who leave them well enough to respect them.
Without going on and on, let's just say that it is "my personal opinion" that I agree wholeheartedly with the thread starter here. I was not going to even comment further, but your stating you leave your name up in hopes of getting prints bought - well, that just struck a sour note with me. Now I know why those are anon are anon, and why those that aren't, aren't. I just wish it was all of one or the other, but this is a world of choices and opinions. God Bless America!
Rose
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11/16/2005 07:46:54 PM · #43 |
Hi!
I'm James and I am a baghead...........
and I am proud to be one.
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11/16/2005 07:51:36 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Without going on and on, let's just say that it is "my personal opinion" that I agree wholeheartedly with the thread starter here. I was not going to even comment further, but your stating you leave your name up in hopes of getting prints bought - well, that just struck a sour note with me. Now I know why those are anon are anon, and why those that aren't, aren't. I just wish it was all of one or the other, but this is a world of choices and opinions. God Bless America!
Rose |
I'm confused, do you want to buy a print or not?
I can give you a good price :-)
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11/16/2005 07:53:32 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by rex:
Hi!
I'm James and I am a baghead...........
and I am proud to be one. |
Nice to meet ya!! I'm Queen Elizabeth (oooops) I mean Rose, and I'm not a baghead, and proud of my ability to NOT camoflauge myself (pun intended)!!
Queen Eliz....Oh, I mean Rose |
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11/16/2005 07:56:03 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Without going on and on, let's just say that it is "my personal opinion" that I agree wholeheartedly with the thread starter here. I was not going to even comment further, but your stating you leave your name up in hopes of getting prints bought - well, that just struck a sour note with me. Now I know why those are anon are anon, and why those that aren't, aren't. I just wish it was all of one or the other, but this is a world of choices and opinions. God Bless America!
Rose |
I'm confused, do you want to buy a print or not?
I can give you a good price :-) |
I already gathered you were confused, but to end your plight, I will just give you a flat out no. If I want a print for my wall, I simply will go out and take one, and have many times! LOL..Thanks for the offer though!! That reminds me, I'm off to check ebay!
Rose |
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11/16/2005 07:57:44 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
I just don't think anyone needs to hide, say what you want be an expert or newbie, just stand up for yourself. |
You keep putting statements into your posts to the effect that anonymous commenters are hiding, not standing behind what they say, or not stepping up to the plate. Are you unaware that all of the commenters identities become known as soon as the voting is over? You sound as though you didn't know that.
In this thread, and in many others before it, there have been several valid reasons for anonymous comments brought forward. I have yet to see any advantage to knowing immediately the identity of every commenter. Unless you know you are going to die tommorow, why can't you just keep your drawers dry until voting is over?
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11/16/2005 07:58:08 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by rex:
Hi!
I'm James and I am a baghead...........
and I am proud to be one. |
Nice to meet ya!! I'm Queen Elizabeth (oooops) I mean Rose, and I'm not a baghead, and proud of my ability to NOT camoflauge myself (pun intended)!!
Queen Eliz....Oh, I mean Rose |
That is your option and I am not badgering you about it. Now do the same for me please.
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11/16/2005 08:13:24 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
In this thread, and in many others before it, there have been several valid reasons for anonymous comments brought forward. I have yet to see any advantage to knowing immediately the identity of every commenter. Unless you know you are going to die tommorow, why can't you just keep your drawers dry until voting is over? |
Coolhar, once again you've nailed it.
I would encourage newer members to sit back and relax -- see how the site works before making suggestions on how to improve it. After some time, they might come to see for themselves why some people prefer to take steps to ensure that they don't receive angry private messages, or rude public dissections of a comment that was surely intended to be helpful rather than hurtful. |
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11/16/2005 08:23:19 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by rex:
Hi!
I'm James and I am a baghead...........
and I am proud to be one. |
Nice to meet ya!! I'm Queen Elizabeth (oooops) I mean Rose, and I'm not a baghead, and proud of my ability to NOT camoflauge myself (pun intended)!!
Queen Eliz....Oh, I mean Rose |
That is your option and I am not badgering you about it. Now do the same for me please. |
I am not badgering you. I was making light of the situation. Lighten up a bit.
Rose |
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