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11/17/2005 04:11:43 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
rose,
why do you have to be a pain. Just say "I think a 7 will win because..." |
Well, I think it is pretty plain to see that a 7 in most cases does win if not top spot, "a" top 10 spot. LOL....I guess what I am really saying is there is just no way to tell what score will win.
Right now I am doing a 5.4 for camo. Others think that is a brown score in most contests and complain about 5.8's. BUT considering the complaining about the "comments" some are receiving in camo, I may just luck out and be in the top 50 with that, who knows?
In Triptych, I am doing a 5.2. Considering that it is equally controversial, YET kind of open as to any three lines go, I think a 5.2 is probably pretty bad news. LOL....
I just can't say I guess. It is all speculative. There is no clear cut "because" answer.
Rose
By the way, I am not a pain. Everyone thinks I am as sweet as mamma's home made apple pie!!! :)
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11/17/2005 04:39:00 PM · #152 |
The conversation here took a turn in which bashing was not a factor and all of a sudden? ZIPPED MOUTHS..LOL. I find that interesting, but again, expected.
Hope to speak to you again in the future jmuggy! Hope your scores do well, in any case.
Later!!
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11/17/2005 04:42:39 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
i think im making enemies. I started this thread because I am new here and wanted to gather some opinions. Seems like people thought I was attacking. I did say I thought the bag was weak, but that doesn't make anyone a bad person. I wanted to know why people feel the need to be anon, it was answered so thank you all. This thread has become very agressive and we should change the subject.
Knowing that I have about 100 people watching/commenting on my original, I will ask this...
WIll a score of 6 be good enough for the top 10 in single light source? Why? |
I don't think you've made any enemies in this thread. You just happened to be the one that started it. YOur original post was mildly confrontational, but face it: there's a TON of those floating around, and they don't cause much of a ripple. Certainly, I have no beef with you :-)
Regarding a score of 6.0 making top 10, that's highly unlikely. Historically, it takes 6.3 to 6.5 to crack top 10, and sometimes much higher. I think I recall a challenge in the past few months that had a 5.9ish in 10th place, but I'm not sure which it was and I haven't looked for it yet. In landscape I made 6.4 and finished in 30th place, so sometimes the stakes can go much higher...
Robt.
add: in "pride" a 6.1 gave me 9th place... BradP got 10th in "Conspiracy" with 6.086... JPR 10th place in "Affluence" with 6.059... That takes us back to the end of July, those are the lowest top 10's in that timespan.
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11/17/2005 04:47:19 PM · #154 |
I think maybe it has something to do with having multiple threads going already that are discussing scores for the various challenges. This thread, in taking the turn it did, is no longer viable for the title it has. Perhaps it's run it's course...
Originally posted by Rose8699:
The conversation here took a turn in which bashing was not a factor and all of a sudden? ZIPPED MOUTHS..LOL. I find that interesting, but again, expected.
Hope to speak to you again in the future jmuggy! Hope your scores do well, in any case.
Later!!
Rose |
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11/17/2005 04:54:38 PM · #155 |
Perhaps. I know a lot of people were jumping in left and right all afternoon when it was actively controversial. When it changed to civilty and subject matter, all of a sudden it was no longer that interesting - and it was a good question, for all of those watching that could have added input to the question. I am glad bear-music did.
Alas, though. We all have real lives outside this forum, and I am no exception. I have to go cook dinner and then it is my TV night! YEAH! So this old gal is bugging out for the day.
****Gosh, I wish the scoring times weren't so long!!! :) I love ROAR time. (Roll Over And Reveal)****
Rose
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I think maybe it has something to do with having multiple threads going already that are discussing scores for the various challenges. This thread, in taking the turn it did, is no longer viable for the title it has. Perhaps it's run it's course...
Originally posted by Rose8699:
The conversation here took a turn in which bashing was not a factor and all of a sudden? ZIPPED MOUTHS..LOL. I find that interesting, but again, expected.
Hope to speak to you again in the future jmuggy! Hope your scores do well, in any case.
Later!!
Rose |
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11/17/2005 04:59:14 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
However, in something like Camoflauge, where several have questions between Camoflauge and Disguise, it may effect the votes, and to win, a lower score may be a winning one. |
Camouflage is not going to be a low scoring finish.
Furthermore, there was one question, that had to do with translation issues, and with only about a dozen people involved in the thread. 12 votes will not make a difference. |
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11/17/2005 05:01:34 PM · #157 |
| garbage challenge...5.966 9th place. |
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11/17/2005 05:05:47 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
garbage challenge...5.966 9th place. |
Hah, you're right :-) I was looking in the archives, and the front-page challenges aren't archived yet. How fitting is that, btw? Lowest top-10 in recent history is in the "garbage" challenge, jejeje™
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11/17/2005 05:10:21 PM · #159 |
Jmnuggy - you might be interested in this one
challenge history: Average score.
You'll see that garbage was one of our lower results. The really large challenges (which garbage was not) also tend to score lower on average.
Also, garbage was the 2nd lowest blue ribbon score in site history )(i think).
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11/17/2005 07:17:19 PM · #160 |
macrothing,
Well thought out response! Your approach to this site is commendable! You lurked, you researched, you hung around and listened, you studied the make-up of the town and then responded. With others jumping into the pool in their birthday suits (and I have done this myself) in the water-bomb position, I appreciate your reserve. I think with a small amount of editing (to make it generic) your post could float among the FAQ's--perhaps a title topic: What's it like at DPC....? |
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11/17/2005 07:46:31 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by macrothing:
Regarding 'profile hidden during voting', this is an old subject here and the introduction of the 'baghead' was debated well and there have even been 2 polls on this subject, here and here and for those interested in other polls taken, Poll Archive. Although I have researched this (and comments etc) myself, I have never had an issue with it (even though in a recent Challenge I felt someone 'misused' the feature - still, it did not 'bother' me, but I was 'curious' enough to look post Challenge 'who' and made my own judgement on the comment then). I myself have considered using the 'hidden' because I like (and prefer) the anonymous nature of the Challenges. Voting and commenting is a 'one way street' during Challenges - I like it that way and it allows one (or should) to be more impartial.
As for PMing during Challenges, unless it is a genuine question (and not rhetorical, as most q's are), from the commenter OR the photographer, and has nothing to do with score altering/photo 'selling', my opinion is it may be ok to do so (if it is not hidden obviously), but most things can and should wait until the Challenge is over. That is my view on 'outtakes' too, but again, another subject. A week is not a long time to wait and, as has been said before, if 'one' really wants an answer to a question, they will go back to the shot they questioned and hopefully an answer in some way will be provided by the photographer when all is 'revealed'. Similarly, if the photographer has/had a question, that can be dealt with post Challenge too.
I am still relatively new to DPC but one thing I have learned when considering 'improvements' or 'questioning' current 'systems' is that it is best to first research if, and to what extent, the 'issue' has been discussed before. What I have found is that 90% of the issues I thought could use change/improvement have already been suggested or discussed before. Sometimes that may mean that certain issues are valid, but no real resolution (or majority consensus) was ever achieved in previous discussions, and the 'issue' fades.
The other thing that I have learned, and this is a very important aspect of this site 'in my opinion', is that the 'backbone' of this site, is run essentially, by only two people, the co-founders, Administrators, Drew and Langdon. Think about that for a moment, that/this is a lot of work for two people. This site is growing at an incredible speed (just look at photographer profiles and see how many people register every day). So, essentially, any changes will/must come under priority and need. This is something that 'one' really only learns through observation of this site over time. By this very nature, as users of the site, I think we have an obligation to 'give back' to the site, and we must also be understanding and patient.
In summary, I suggest that anyone who feels a need to question certain aspects of the site should first 'research' if the subject has been raised before and if they still feel a need to re-raise it, go ahead. However, a civil and thoughtful discussion has more chance of garnering support for any potential changes. There will be some who will try to 'attack', some who will try to 'joke', and that is the variety of the community. If the issue at hand is legitimate and an order of 'rationale' retained, then something serious may result out of discussion.
As for the post about 'be more constructive', this user initially posted (yes I 'researched') in the Rant forum, then in Current Challenge, then it was 'transferred' to within this thread. In my opinion, the subject was different to 'hidden' and I was surprised to see it had been locked and transferred here and then taken out of context, responded to, and 'shot down'.
This thread has about 4-5 different topics within it now and I do not wish to start another. Again this means the original post becomes 'lost'.
I am curious to know this though, why people are not interested in receiving comments, especially within a Challenge. I am here for the 'game', but the obvious by-product of that 'game', is that I learn to take better photographs, learn about photography and/or take shots that I would not normally take, as a result of a challenge to do so. The comments that I both make and receive are an integral part of this. Again, as I have 'suggested' before, I wish there were a way to know who may not want/welcome comments, as I would not waste my time, nor theirs, on trying to 'comment' on their shot, even with my limited knowledge and skills.
Once again, I raise the issue of Site Etiquette (and yes, I have researched this thoroughly). I am not familiar with other sites (except DPContest which is no more). I believe it is also a form of etiquette to not see this site as 'just another contest', lest it shall become one. I am fairly confident that there is nothing like DPChallenge, it is unique, I would like to see it continue to grow and stand out from any others. I will always be willing to contribute to a site that I consider has class and constantly strives to 'improve'. The Admins 'made it' so, but the Community 'makes it' so. Strive to be better, always. |
HOLY CRAP! LOL...Had I written THAT, I would have been called "winded". I guess now I will be winded to.
To answer one question you have, I don't prefer comments because they are all over the place in opinion, and that being the case, are really worth nothing more than a hill`o beans. I only take the time to leave comments because others seem to enjoy them, and only on about 3 to 15 per contest on average. I simply couldn't do it for 200+ entries, so I choose my favs and usually try to make the effort for their sake. I think a lot of people do the same, and that is why you may get a lot of "nice" "good job", or what have you. However, if I could tell you what photo was mine so you wouldn't waste your time, I would.
And one more thing in hindsight of what you said, this site is good for what it is. There are SEVERAL other sites similar, all with their own flavors. Here I find more jello then in other places, but that is just me. I don't know the admin's here, and haven't met them. I have met a few in council, and have had a recent discussion with one in PM who was very respectable and understanding as well as nice. It is just the regulars that seem to have problems with me. As a matter of fact I just got another PM that was VERY welcoming, and this after offering up to those who have issues with me to PM me. I thought when I opened it, it would be full of four letter words by some YAHOO, but it was the total opposite. A welcoming and a "my hats off to you". So there you have it - different strokes for different folks.
There are 4 other sites similar to this, as with contests, that I am a member of. One is very personable and my absolute favorite. Two are very nice, but offer no forums, which I think is a good thing, and the judging is done in one by actual photography judges and in another by voters, but it is all Free Study. There is one other that has themed contests and forums which I just joined this week and I haven't tried the forum aspect; however, what I have witnessed was very respectable so far. The voting is done by members, but the scoring is configured differently then here.
So there are many other flavors of contest sites out there. Having my fill of all I could find 'in my research', I don't find this my favorite at all. I mean, I love the challenges and competition has always been a very big thing with me, but I think that this site is almost TOO huge to be personable. TOO many entries, where I think they should be capped to the first 50 who enter. TOO many differing opinions, and hence your threads starting in all different directions, (and I just don't have the time in a day to research the entire site to see if a question I have has been asked before sometime back in January of 2004...LOL. So I may start redundant threads myself), and is just TOO huge for its own good. JUST MY OPINION. I certainly understand the work that goes into these sites, and appreciate the effort, but when a site starts buldging at the seams, eventually it will burst.
So, I just bounce from here to there in a given day. I have many different angles to go with my photography. Sites offer me Free Study if I just want to shoot any old thing one day, and offer themes when I feel the need to focus on that theme for a day. I like the diversity. I could never just stay here full time though. I think it would drive me mad, and I am sure I would drive others mad as well...LOL.
My winding is done and my soap box put away. NEXXXT!
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11/17/2005 07:53:23 PM · #162 |
i guess its a bit foreign for many users of this site that you do not come here or rather, that you prefer no comments. Most of us participate here because we love the comments and the help they often give in improving our photography.
So, since you don't like comments, what is it that attracts you to DPC?
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11/17/2005 07:55:02 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
garbage challenge...5.966 9th place. |
Gosh. Wish that would happen in the next two! LOL...
Rose |
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11/17/2005 08:00:02 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by frisca:
i guess its a bit foreign for many users of this site that you do not come here or rather, that you prefer no comments. Most of us participate here because we love the comments and the help they often give in improving our photography.
So, since you don't like comments, what is it that attracts you to DPC? |
The contests is why I am here. I love entering themed contests. I can do without the comments, simply becuase I don't find them useful. There are others in the field of professional photography that I look towards with respect when I need answers to questions or critique. A relative of mine is one, a pro photographer, and always gives me the best of critique. I also have a few friends that I have met in other areas that I find are helpful. However, beyond that, I just don't care for them during voting. You see, I rarely enter a photo that hasn't already been critiqued, especially if I have questions on how to improve it. I do that first, and THEN enter it. So it is just my opinion, mind you, but comments that are all over the place do nothing for me during voting. I am only here for the competition aspect of the contests.
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11/17/2005 08:02:29 PM · #165 |
...and maybe the forums? Just a guess though.
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11/17/2005 08:03:24 PM · #166 |
So, Rose... after reading your last post, its my understanding you dont like forums.... you dont like comments...dpc is jello...so why do you post to dpc forums or participate in the challenges?
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11/17/2005 08:05:39 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I can do without the comments, simply becuase I don't find them useful. |
Why did you mark nshapiro's comment on your 'Garbage' entry as 'helpful' ? |
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11/17/2005 08:06:35 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by frisca:
i guess its a bit foreign for many users of this site that you do not come here or rather, that you prefer no comments. Most of us participate here because we love the comments and the help they often give in improving our photography.
So, since you don't like comments, what is it that attracts you to DPC? |
The contests is why I am here. I love entering themed contests. I can do without the comments, simply becuase I don't find them useful. There are others in the field of professional photography that I look towards with respect when I need answers to questions or critique. A relative of mine is one, a pro photographer, and always gives me the best of critique. I also have a few friends that I have met in other areas that I find are helpful. However, beyond that, I just don't care for them during voting. You see, I rarely enter a photo that hasn't already been critiqued, especially if I have questions on how to improve it. I do that first, and THEN enter it. So it is just my opinion, mind you, but comments that are all over the place do nothing for me during voting. I am only here for the competition aspect of the contests.
Rose |
It's interesting to note that you get critiques on your photos before entering them on DPC. Are they from fellow DPCers? If I've learned anything from my time here, it is that even the most successful pro-photographer doesn't always do well here, and it is the comments and critiques from *other* DPCers that tend to help out the most as to what will help improve you in the aspect of DPC Challenges. Perhaps not photography as a whole a lot of the time, but when strictly concerning the challenges themselves.
I'd suggest, if you enjoy entering themed challenges, especially in a rather closed environment such as DPC, it'd be *very* much in your interest to start paying more attention to critiques and comments from the people here on this website as regarding your entries.
However, that's a choice you make. I'm just bringing up a point to consider. |
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11/17/2005 08:10:09 PM · #169 |
Originally posted by frisca:
...and maybe the forums? Just a guess though. |
Not really. Forums have been a dime a dozen with me for about 7 years now. I have owned about 10. Some big, some small. I have been a member of some that had hundreds, and some that had only 5. I have one now that is small (about 25 members), and I like it that way. I have also had just as many websites, if not more. Yadda yadda.
If DPC had no forums, I would not shed any tears over it. However, I did pay my monies worth, and I do have my monies worth of opinion if I see a subject I feel will spark my interest when I am in a bored mood or have the time to post. But, like I said, if there were no forums here, I wouldn't mind that at all either.
GOSH, I simply CANT miss The Apprentice, (I'm a reality show freak), and I still have some things to do before I settle in. So I really must go.
Later!
Rose
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11/17/2005 08:14:01 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
I can do without the comments, simply becuase I don't find them useful. |
Why did you mark nshapiro's comment on your 'Garbage' entry as 'helpful' ? |
Because I HIGHLY respect nrshapiro. I have never actually given him one of my photos to critique, and do understand the angle was off in my photo and admitted that, but I do find what he has to say ALWAYS helpful to me. Not just here, but anywhere and everywhere I have met him, and that is in quite a few more areas then just DPC. He is most likely the only one you will ever see me check that box for in this forum, unless another one or two I know from elsewhere come over to comment.
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11/17/2005 08:14:29 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Yadda yadda.
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11/17/2005 08:15:03 PM · #172 |
Many of us - including myself - are a little nervous about making a critique that is somewhat negative, because some people get terribly upset over anything other than being told they are brilliant.
However, knowing how much most people appreciate comments, I sometimes take a deep breath and risk it.
Until now, that is. I think from now on I'll worry myself silly which one might be Rose's photo, and into how much trouble it will get me if I should happen to (unknowingly, of course)leave a comment on it.
Thanks a lot, Rose. |
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11/17/2005 08:16:32 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by di53:
So, Rose... after reading your last post, its my understanding you dont like forums.... you dont like comments...dpc is jello...so why do you post to dpc forums or participate in the challenges? |
I'm not going to play this game again tonight, not with you, not with Kadi, not with anyone. AND I already answered that question.
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11/17/2005 08:17:43 PM · #174 |
Rose -- with as much respect as I can muster, I find your comments and opinions in this thread about the value of this community arrogant and uninformed. I am personally affronted by your representations and I am compelled to add that just because you own many forums and websites does not mean you are any sort of an expert on such matters. Lots of thieves have spend a lot of time in court, doesn't mean they're any good at knowing the law or following it.
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11/17/2005 08:23:07 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by frisca:
i guess its a bit foreign for many users of this site that you do not come here or rather, that you prefer no comments. Most of us participate here because we love the comments and the help they often give in improving our photography.
So, since you don't like comments, what is it that attracts you to DPC? |
The contests is why I am here. I love entering themed contests. I can do without the comments, simply becuase I don't find them useful. There are others in the field of professional photography that I look towards with respect when I need answers to questions or critique. A relative of mine is one, a pro photographer, and always gives me the best of critique. I also have a few friends that I have met in other areas that I find are helpful. However, beyond that, I just don't care for them during voting. You see, I rarely enter a photo that hasn't already been critiqued, especially if I have questions on how to improve it. I do that first, and THEN enter it. So it is just my opinion, mind you, but comments that are all over the place do nothing for me during voting. I am only here for the competition aspect of the contests.
Rose |
It's interesting to note that you get critiques on your photos before entering them on DPC. Are they from fellow DPCers? If I've learned anything from my time here, it is that even the most successful pro-photographer doesn't always do well here, and it is the comments and critiques from *other* DPCers that tend to help out the most as to what will help improve you in the aspect of DPC Challenges. Perhaps not photography as a whole a lot of the time, but when strictly concerning the challenges themselves.
I'd suggest, if you enjoy entering themed challenges, especially in a rather closed environment such as DPC, it'd be *very* much in your interest to start paying more attention to critiques and comments from the people here on this website as regarding your entries.
However, that's a choice you make. I'm just bringing up a point to consider. |
I've considered your point, and I have also rejected it. And no, I do not get critiques on my photos by other DPC'ers before entering them here. That would be kind of WRONG, don't you think? I don't play those kind of games. I don't want to win OR lose by those methods.
You know, entering is not a be all and end all for me. I simply do it for fun and for self gratification and for personal accomplishment. I also set my own personal goals on photos I enter, and don't expect to "win" top three in an environment where voting is so sporatic. I mean, its not like I am going to win a brand new car or anything. LOL...So I take the "competition" seriously, but its all in a fun nature.
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