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11/16/2005 10:56:21 PM · #76 |
Rose when the commentor said "is your dog called garbage" what they meant was : I do not understand, i am not sure what the garbage is in this photo. Perhaps the dog is called garbage, how would i know.
That is awfully long winded. Why waste the time (they probably would have if they knew you would make such a big deal about it).
They were stating that they did not see anything that was definatively and obviously garbage. And quite frankly, looking at your image it is perfectly plausible that the dog could have been given the grey thing, which looks just as much like a mat you would give a pet as it does an old matress. I sure do not let my animals sleep on garbage. Others probably feel the same way too. And i just clicked over and read your comments and Gary said the same thing as me, it looks like a dog mat.
On the topic of newbies/vets, don't you think we have tried it without the bags? It didn't work. If you stick around a while, and start to see some of the horrible PM's you can recieve, you might have an idea of why people baghead. But right now you are very new to the site. You have a right to be opinionated but you don't seem to like to listen to the opinions of others - and they are just as valid as your own, and often backed by the experience of being on this site a long time and knowing how things work. We are giving you a chance, give us all a chance too, please. |
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11/16/2005 10:57:18 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It will always be where some like Jim Brandenson and some like Freeman Patterson (probably spelled those wrong, sorry). It is really neither here nor there, and that is a main reason why I don't care for any comment. That is just my take, and obviously one that is in the minority.
Rose |
If you don't care about any comments, why are you making such a fuss about the anonymity of some comments?
R. |
bear-music, you really need to keep up with the program. I said not to many posts ago that what I would prefer personally is that no comments be made at all. However, for a more open approach, all could be anon, all could be open, or have none at all. It is really no matter to me, but I am not making a fuss about just anon photos. I simply agreed with the thread starters comments throughout this thread.
I just think those that use that option of being bagged are not taking accountability WHEN they ask questions. AND before someone else quotes me, don't take what I say out of context. I said "when they ask questions". If you have a question, that is NOT rhetorical, WHY ask it if you are bagged? Makes no sense to me.
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11/16/2005 11:03:08 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It will always be where some like Jim Brandenson and some like Freeman Patterson (probably spelled those wrong, sorry). It is really neither here nor there, and that is a main reason why I don't care for any comment. That is just my take, and obviously one that is in the minority.
Rose |
If you don't care about any comments, why are you making such a fuss about the anonymity of some comments?
R. |
bear-music, you really need to keep up with the program. I said not to many posts ago that what I would prefer personally is that no comments be made at all. However, for a more open approach, all could be anon, all could be open, or have none at all. It is really no matter to me, but I am not making a fuss about just anon photos. I simply agreed with the thread starters comments throughout this thread.
I just think those that use that option of being bagged are not taking accountability WHEN they ask questions. AND before someone else quotes me, don't take what I say out of context. I said "when they ask questions". If you have a question, that is NOT rhetorical, WHY ask it if you are bagged? Makes no sense to me.
Rose |
Rose, that's a REALLY arrogant opening sentence. What's going on here? Is this your test to see how many people you can antagonize?
As for rhetorical questions, I can only speak for myself but for me it's a common form of critique. "Did you consider cropping out the dingleberry?" is a much more gracious comment than "You should have cropped out the dingleberry!", and it's NOT meant as some sort of an invitation to hit the commenter up with a description of how you considered cropping it out, but decided to leave it in because the dingleberry represents the futility of existence, or whatever.
Essentially what you're doing here is criticizing an entire technique/tactic for critiquing that many of our members use to good advantage.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-11-16 23:04:06. |
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11/16/2005 11:11:42 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
Rose when the commentor said "is your dog called garbage" what they meant was : I do not understand, i am not sure what the garbage is in this photo. Perhaps the dog is called garbage, how would i know.
That is awfully long winded. Why waste the time (they probably would have if they knew you would make such a big deal about it).
They were stating that they did not see anything that was definatively and obviously garbage. And quite frankly, looking at your image it is perfectly plausible that the dog could have been given the grey thing, which looks just as much like a mat you would give a pet as it does an old matress. I sure do not let my animals sleep on garbage. Others probably feel the same way too. And i just clicked over and read your comments and Gary said the same thing as me, it looks like a dog mat.
On the topic of newbies/vets, don't you think we have tried it without the bags? It didn't work. If you stick around a while, and start to see some of the horrible PM's you can recieve, you might have an idea of why people baghead. But right now you are very new to the site. You have a right to be opinionated but you don't seem to like to listen to the opinions of others - and they are just as valid as your own, and often backed by the experience of being on this site a long time and knowing how things work. We are giving you a chance, give us all a chance too, please. |
LOL..I was just going to ask you if you were one of the ones that asked if it was a matt. Obviously you were one that didn't get it, hence your curt remarks here. Yes, it is plausible the dog could have been given the "grey thing", but then why would I enter it as garbage and name it "cozy garbage"? Do you have people here that enter photos that are that ignorant? And it didn't look like a matt to anyone I showed the photo too before I entered it here. They knew right away it was a box spring, and I was actually told it perfect, sweet, and a heart warming rendition for the contest. Like I said, some got it, and some didn't. About 1/2 and 1/2. You were in the other 1/2. Also, not all dogs sleep inside on laps, or outdoors on matts. Stray dogs and even dogs owned by others (which was the case here) find places to play and sleep while outside during the day. BUT, I DO understand that you didn't know that, but I did think the box spring was obvious.
I don't know what this site has tried, nor does it matter to me. I am not out to change the world or the policies of DPC. I am simply stating my views in a thread here that was opened by another in which I agreed, and if you READ the rest of this thread, you will see that it has been others who have not seen MY point of view at all and not even ONCE, LOL...
Getting wild PM's? Can't be anything worse than being a one man band in a thread like this one, and if you did read prior to making your comment, you would have seen that I have owned several forums and know how they work. If you want to get some darling PM's, try getting them from pageant mom's where their child didn't win. So I am not ignorant to what can happen, I am just one that doesn't mind it and can handle it.
I have to tell you that I have been warned about this site. I was told that the die hards like to eat newbies alive and that I would really need thick skin to stay here and post, and I was probably better off just entering the challenges and staying out of the forums if I choose to stay at all.
I choose to stay, until my membership is up anyway.
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11/16/2005 11:17:52 PM · #80 |
Rose,
I can only speak for myself but be assured I see your point; I just completely disagree with it. In my world, "failure to agree with" is not synonymous with "failure to see or recognize." And now, in your latest post, you've just tarred EVERY other contributor to this thread with the same brush. pfffft!
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11/16/2005 11:20:18 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
It will always be where some like Jim Brandenson and some like Freeman Patterson (probably spelled those wrong, sorry). It is really neither here nor there, and that is a main reason why I don't care for any comment. That is just my take, and obviously one that is in the minority.
Rose |
If you don't care about any comments, why are you making such a fuss about the anonymity of some comments?
R. |
bear-music, you really need to keep up with the program. I said not to many posts ago that what I would prefer personally is that no comments be made at all. However, for a more open approach, all could be anon, all could be open, or have none at all. It is really no matter to me, but I am not making a fuss about just anon photos. I simply agreed with the thread starters comments throughout this thread.
I just think those that use that option of being bagged are not taking accountability WHEN they ask questions. AND before someone else quotes me, don't take what I say out of context. I said "when they ask questions". If you have a question, that is NOT rhetorical, WHY ask it if you are bagged? Makes no sense to me.
Rose |
Rose, that's a REALLY arrogant opening sentence. What's going on here? Is this your test to see how many people you can antagonize?
As for rhetorical questions, I can only speak for myself but for me it's a common form of critique. "Did you consider cropping out the dingleberry?" is a much more gracious comment than "You should have cropped out the dingleberry!", and it's NOT meant as some sort of an invitation to hit the commenter up with a description of how you considered cropping it out, but decided to leave it in because the dingleberry represents the futility of existence, or whatever.
Essentially what you're doing here is criticizing an entire technique/tactic for critiquing that many of our members use to good advantage.
Robt. |
Look, this has been great, but I really do have to go. Before I do, ONE more person will I comment to tonight for several reasons. 1. It is late and I have to get up early. 2. Because I can see it is "me" against "them" in this thread, and pretty much has been in about every thread I enter into unless I cozy up to others views or agree with everyone else.
My opening statement was rude, and meant to be, and it is because you assumed I was "fussing" and contridicting myself, instead of reading prior. And I can see you have done it once again when you mention rhetorical verses non rhetorical questions when I JUST explained that in my last post to you to NOT take what I said out of context. I have even already answered that about 3 times now elsewhere in this thread!?
And again, I am not criticizing anything. I simply started out with a view that was attacked (and criticized). A view that did not obviously match that of the "vets", and have now spent my time on two pages with new swoop-in posters that haven't followed the thread from the beginning, and still explaining myself?
Nope. "Homey gonna play dat game". So if you want to know about what my view is, and how these issues begun, and what I actually SAID, you will have to read from page one onwards and read beyond only what you want to.
The thread starter here had a good idea. He left the vets to themselves rather than stay and play the reindeer games, as I now do the same. NUFF said on the subject, the horse is dead.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-16 23:23:26. |
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11/16/2005 11:22:22 PM · #82 |
Rose, after reading all your posts here it seems like you:
a. Don't care whether you get comments or not, because they are often contradictory.
b. In addition, you aren't sure if you want certain comments at all, because you can't tell whether they are made by someone for whom you have respect when they are "hidden during voting."
c. You'd like to respond to comments that ask questions, rhetorical or not, during voting even when the commenter has made it clear via the "baghead method" that they aren't willing to accept PM's about it.
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and have gone to great lengths to state and repeat what that opinion is, it seems that you are not listening well to the opinions of others. You've been heard and understood; some of us just disagree based on past experience.
You might consider giving bear_music an apology, too. |
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11/16/2005 11:28:49 PM · #83 |
actually i did "get it", right away in fact. It was just a very lackluster photo and i scored it accordingly.
You have a lot of nerves accusing me of being curt after you were so blatantly rude to Robert. Calling us (the dpc family)ignorant doesn't help either.
I have read the entire thread (and many others you have posted to) and it appears to me that you have sour grapes, and nothing more. I suggest too you that you take this site a little less to heart, you bite your own tongue instead of blurting impolite and uncalled for statements and assumtions.
We are not a pageant, we are civilised adults, and most of us good friends to the point we consider one another family. This may be how you deal with those people, but we are not those people.
I offered my hand to you when you first came on this site, helping you understand how to enter a challenge. And myself and others who have tried to be nice to you have been met with hostilities. If you come out with guns blazing, people are bound to react accordingly. |
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11/16/2005 11:31:49 PM · #84 |
I do believe that this topic should be closed and everyone needs to "agree to disagree".
Me, I don't care if there is a bag or not. I appreciate the comments, if there is a question I have posted the answer to my image when the voting completes. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is.
Rose, I am new here too. I was not "warned" about this site and I have not even remotely thought that the long time people here have even remotely tried to "eat newbies alive" (me or any other newbie). I have found them to be very friendly and helpful. Like Rex, I have found some of your comments to be rude. You are also very defensive and assuming. Sometimes it is easier to just state your point and move on rather than constantly stir the pot when it is not necessary. I have a feeling you are currently making more enemies than friends at this point. |
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11/16/2005 11:34:56 PM · #85 |
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11/16/2005 11:39:36 PM · #86 |
I am answering you within and because you wrote this while I was closing out.
Originally posted by A1275:
Rose, after reading all your posts here it seems like you:
a. Don't care whether you get comments or not, because they are often contradictory.
CORRECT
b. In addition, you aren't sure if you want certain comments at all, because you can't tell whether they are made by someone for whom you have respect when they are "hidden during voting."
WRONG: I am sure I don't want comments by anyone, anon or otherwise. If I "want" comments on how to improve or take a shot of a work I have done or will do, I will take those questions to whom I know in the field, and who have no baring on where I enter it.
c. You'd like to respond to comments that ask questions, rhetorical or not, during voting even when the commenter has made it clear via the "baghead method" that they aren't willing to accept PM's about it.
WRONG: No, I would only respond to comments that are not rhetorical, if given the opportunity, and have without incident. If you are going to be anon, do not ask questions that are not rhetorical.
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and have gone to great lengths to state and repeat what that opinion is, it seems that you are not listening well to the opinions of others. You've been heard and understood; some of us just disagree based on past experience.
You might consider giving bear_music an apology, too. |
You have misread, unfortunately, a lot of what I have said. And I have taken into account what others have said, that were not rude about it. I just don't happen to agree. They were redundant, and that why it seems like I disagreed with many. However, I was really disagreeing with a lot of people who had the same redundant view.
Thank you for realizing I have been repeating myself.
I owe no one an apology.
Not trying to be rude, but it is I who is agitated and tired. LOL...I simply must go. Anyone else have a comment? You can PM me. My PM box will always be open, and I answer them all.
Good night,
Rose |
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11/16/2005 11:46:23 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Not trying to be rude..... Rose |
I guess for some folks......this comes naturally. |
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11/17/2005 12:44:14 AM · #88 |
Sigh... I'd hate to be here when she decides to TRY being rude. Bite... My... Tongue...
R. |
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11/17/2005 12:47:25 AM · #89 |
| I can't help myself .. Bear .. you made me LOL |
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11/17/2005 11:13:13 AM · #90 |
this is funny, i'm back at work now and reading all the stuff people had to say. I didn't think this was such a sore spot. To whomever said 'this is funny coming from someone with such a low image' refering to my November sky image. You are right, it scored aweful, but it was my first entry and a lot of quality was lost in loading it up. Since then, I have read the tutorial on how to get a photo up on dpchallenge, and the single light source score is showing that. My photo was OK, shot last minute. Some people liked it, others didn't.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I thought of this last night and I'm sure people are going to get fired up about this.
If you use a bag to stay annonomous so you don't get nasty PM's about your comments, maybe you should check how you approach negative comments. If you get more than a few PM's, than maybe you are offending people and crossing the line between constructive critisism and nastiness. |
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11/17/2005 11:46:30 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
If you use a bag to stay annonomous so you don't get nasty PM's about your comments, maybe you should check how you approach negative comments. If you get more than a few PM's, than maybe you are offending people and crossing the line between constructive critisism and nastiness. |
You really don't understand, do you? It's not about receiving "nasty" responses, it's about receiving ANY responses at all during voting. Some people just don't like it and they bag themselves to prevent it.
Robt. |
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11/17/2005 12:09:58 PM · #92 |
>>I have to tell you that I have been warned about this site. I was told that the die hards like to eat newbies alive and that I would really need thick skin to stay here and post, and I was probably better off just entering the challenges and staying out of the forums if I choose to stay at all. <<
Man, I have found that to be anything but true. Despite registering here back a ways I've entered only a couple of dozen challenges, so that makes me a newbie in that sense, but have voted and read the forums for a while.
Personally, I don't PM anyone during challenges, even when they make an assumption on my photo that is whoppingly "wrong", like my pumpkin's scream where two people insisted i'd cut the hands in the wrong direction. Two people's vote isn't gonna change the total, and telling two people something isn't going to change the impression on the image for non-commenting voters. I really don't want people to know who entered my image until the voting is over. Lately I've been getting PMs from people who liked comments I'd made DURING the challenge, and my personal policy is to leave my vote unchanged.
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11/17/2005 12:11:43 PM · #93 |
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11/17/2005 12:13:13 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
I more point before I go |
Go ahead, I'm all ears :-)
R. |
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11/17/2005 12:14:28 PM · #95 |
everyone needs to take a breath, people are getting nasty. By the way, another thing I hate about comments is when people say 'doesn't do anything for me', or 'kind of boring in my opinion'. These comments are at best stupid. You don't need to like it, and I don't care if you do, there are millions of people all with different taste. Comments shold be kept to technical merit. Instead of 'didn't do it for me' say what could have made THAT subject a good photo.
People will argue that the Godfather is one of the best movies of all time, others will hate it, but both sides should agree that it was done well and technically it was a great film. See the connection? |
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11/17/2005 12:21:31 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
everyone needs to take a breath, people are getting nasty. By the way, another thing I hate about comments is when people say 'doesn't do anything for me', or 'kind of boring in my opinion'. These comments are at best stupid. You don't need to like it, and I don't care if you do, there are millions of people all with different taste. Comments shold be kept to technical merit. Instead of 'didn't do it for me' say what could have made THAT subject a good photo.
People will argue that the Godfather is one of the best movies of all time, others will hate it, but both sides should agree that it was done well and technically it was a great film. See the connection? |
While detailed, technical comments are always useful in MY eyes, a lot of people, surprisingly, don't feel that way. It's amazing how many people get their knickers in a twist if a commenter says something like "DOF is not right here, try focusing on the thorax instead of the antennae to get both the head and the body in focus", and respond with some muttering such as "I know perfectly well how to focus, it was my INTENTION to have only the head in focus" or whatever.
Similarly, while a comment such as "Wonderful shot! Love the sky colors!" is of limited "usefulness" in the overall scheme of things, I nevertheless remain pleased that people are moved to comment at all, and I'm always interested in whatever response they care to post up to my images.
R.
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11/17/2005 12:32:23 PM · #97 |
you missed my point, a compliment is fine, everyone likes to see 'love it, great shot' but what I hate is the opposite. I hate when someone says 'doesn't do it for me' and doesn't leave any suggestions or critisism. Personally I don't care if it didn't do anything for you, Im looking for something that helps me take better photos. If people respond to critisism by saying 'I know how to focus blah blah blah' than that person is an idiot and will never take better pictures. If someone thinks they are done learning and they know it all, they will never improve.
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11/17/2005 12:35:25 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
you missed my point, a compliment is fine, everyone likes to see 'love it, great shot' but what I hate is the opposite. I hate when someone says 'doesn't do it for me' and doesn't leave any suggestions or critisism. Personally I don't care if it didn't do anything for you, Im looking for something that helps me take better photos. If people respond to critisism by saying 'I know how to focus blah blah blah' than that person is an idiot and will never take better pictures. If someone thinks they are done learning and they know it all, they will never improve. |
I agree with the second part, certainly. I did not, however, "miss your point"; I just happened to use a positive rather than a negative illustration of an "empty comment". I'm happy enough to get either, the more the merrier.
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11/17/2005 12:47:56 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
By the way, another thing I hate about comments is when people say 'doesn't do anything for me', or 'kind of boring in my opinion'. These comments are at best stupid. You don't need to like it, and I don't care if you do, there are millions of people all with different taste. Comments shold be kept to technical merit. Instead of 'didn't do it for me' say what could have made THAT subject a good photo. |
I disagree with this too. I LOVE it when somebody tells me they found my photo boring. I would much rather have that comment them have them be bored by it and just pass by without saying anything. I am extremely grateful for ANY reaction to my photography, even if it might come off sounding rude and abrupt. Any reaction is a reaction to my art, and I LOVE the fact that DPC gives me a forum in which to put my art up there for people to react to it.
Nobody is going to change the commenting behavior of the DPC community, it is what it is. Calling these types of comments stupid in this forum will only inflame the debate, not settle it. Since you can't change the comments you receive, and since you can't change the fact that some people will prefer to give them anonymously during the challenge, why not accept it, and learn to live with it, or even learn to appreciate it? |
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11/17/2005 12:52:38 PM · #100 |
I have left reasonable comments on challenge entries suggesting certain things that could be improved on the shot and received PM's telling me that my opinion of their photo is WRONG and suggesting that I must be out of my head to not give it a 10.
My opinion is my opinion, it's neither right or wrong, it is what it is. What I don't appreciate is comments directed at me suggesting that I alter my vote or otherwise pull my head out of my rectum, see the light and give them a 10 based on the lengthy explanation a photo requires to make any sense at all. After the challenge, if someone wants to start a discussion with me about their photo, fine, but I plan to judge the entries I judge based on their own merit and not the pleadings of the photographer.
I shall remain bagged at my discretion.
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