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09/28/2005 02:02:18 AM · #176 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Nazgul:
..I personally dont care much for people calling me names in the heat of the moment..... |
You only have to look at your comment in my Castle Hill photo to realise that in fact you do have a history of being rude and disrespectful. Perhaps you are one of the most overrated photographers here? |
*cough*pot-callin-the-kettle-black*cough* |
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09/28/2005 02:06:28 AM · #177 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all it's done is rob this site of legitimacy and integrity. |
Do you believe there's ANY valid reason to mark someone as a favorite other than photographic excellence? Do you believe that people who mark as favorites those whose work they wish to follow, or those whose posts they wish to follow, or those who they believe are valuable contributors to the community apart from their photographic skills, are diminishing the "legitimacy and integrity" of the site?
R. |
Along this same line of thought, I see it as kind of like music. People have favorite bands. Some like the band because they love their music. Some like what they have to say, or the activism or political stance. Some like them because of their off-stage antics. Some like them because of a combination of these things. The point is they still like them, and they are their favorite. Everybody is not going to put the same value on the same features.
...oh, and some people like the band 'cause they got nice butts :-P
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09/28/2005 02:07:25 AM · #178 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all it's done is rob this site of legitimacy and integrity. |
Do you believe there's ANY valid reason to mark someone as a favorite other than photographic excellence? Do you believe that people who mark as favorites those whose work they wish to follow, or those whose posts they wish to follow, or those who they believe are valuable contributors to the community apart from their photographic skills, are diminishing the "legitimacy and integrity" of the site?
R. |
Hey Robert. Do you think openly making a mockery of those who have earned recognition through photgraphic excellence as something we should embrace? Hmmmmm.....last time I checked, this place was a photography site conceived as to encourage amateurs to hone their skills and strive for ranking and recognition. Hence the reason we vote on challenges and not just throw all of our shots in a pretty pile while wolfing down crumpets and sipping tea. What creative skills are being embraced here. Skills that may be better suited to a car lot? |
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09/28/2005 02:08:53 AM · #179 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
I really can't believe how bent out of shape some people are getting over this. Strikeslip is graciously offering to part with up to $100 in memberships. I stand with bear_music on this one; picking a favorite is a personal choice, done either out of appreciation for someoneâs work, or because the photographer himself appeals to you. In this case, Slippy's sense of humor seems to have appealed to over 100 people, myself included. His methods may be unorthodox, but he is an asset to the site. This isn't a "new low", itâs a bit of fun and a show of support for DPC.
I say three cheers for Slippy! For coming up with such a generous idea in the first place, and again for not buckling or stooping to the level of the complainers just because they don't like it.
âHip-hip-hooray!â |
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No offence intended, but I must respond to this comment.
1. I can quite easily understand how some people might have gotten offended by the approach the Slippy took in this instance since they may now perceive their selection as being somewhat diminished by this course of action.
2.Graciously offering to part with $100.00 of membership while indeed laudible, could have been done quite easily by simply informing the SC and perhaps requesting that these be doled out as prizes is some upcoming competition or the like.... there was no need to attach any conditions to the gift.
3. I am in full agreement with Bear_Music views relative to the fact that the selection process rests with the individual and is comprised of a variety of personal preferances and other factors. However, the fact remains that in this specific instance the sudden onslaught to add Slippy would seem to be governed almost exclusively by the possibility of gaining a reward.
4. Slippy does indeed have a fantastic sense of humour, and I like countless others have rolled in the aisles at his antics... however, I would counter that his sense of humour is in all likelyhood not the primary factor motivating people to add him to their favorites list at this specific juncture.
5. The question as to whether or not this is a "new low" or a show of support for DPC is one that is very subjective and left to the interpretation of each individual. While I can appreciate the humour factor, we must also consider the fact that some may view this as an affront to their values. This is one of those grey areas in life where there really isn't a "Right" or "Wrong" as it relates to the collective, but rather very personal and subjective interpretations of what should prevail.
6. With regards to the "generous idea" suggestion, I have no doubt that the intent was well intentioned.... however the delivery mechanism was slightly flawed... otherwise we would not be discussing this matter at this juncture.
7. Lastly, I would hesitate to suggest that all of the people who did not view this attempt in a favourable light can be perceived as ..."complainer" who "stooped so low", since that would suggest that anyone who does not see things they way you do are pigeon-holed as mindless boors that have an axe to grind.
I truly am a fan of Slippy and have derived a great deal of pleasure from his antics. Will I be adding him to my list of favorites.... probably.... but not at this juncture. I will wait till the furor dies down and then decide. (Sorry Slippy)
I do hope that both sides of this debate can take a deep breath, try to understand each other better, and work towards a common goal, that being the betterment of this site.
:O) Have a great day everyone.
Ray |
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09/28/2005 02:10:43 AM · #180 |
Missed the point completely bear.
Why someone chooses someone else as a favorite is a personal thing, and
is most often associated with their work here, their contributions, etc.
Favorites should earned, not bought, no matter how good the intentions were.
I think the 4 memberships offered was a great thing to do, but not as a
Junior High School-like "Vote for me and get a cupcake" bribe.
Period.
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09/28/2005 02:11:35 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
...oh, and some people like the band 'cause they got nice butts :-P |
I thought that was football players......at least that's what some of the ladies tell me. |
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09/28/2005 02:18:06 AM · #182 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Missed the point completely bear.
Why someone chooses someone else as a favorite is a personal thing, and
is most often associated with their work here, their contributions, etc.
Favorites should earned, not bought, no matter how good the intentions were.
I think the 4 memberships offered was a great thing to do, but not as a
Junior High School-like "Vote for me and get a cupcake" bribe.
Period. |
That's definitely an arguable point, though I tend to be a little more relaxed about than some of the other posters. Certainly, I think everyone's entitled to their opinion on this.
My question of Sher is an an honest one. I'm not "missing the point", I am genuinely curious how she feels about that.
I quite agree that there's a BIG difference between choosing someone as a favorite 'cuz you like their sense of humor, say, and choosing them as a favorite 'cuz they BRIBED you. I don't mean to equate what Slippy's done here with the categories I posed to Sher.
Still, that said, I still tend to look at all this as a light-hearted thing, and I can't personally see people taking it that seriously. Although to be honest I'd have to admit that 20 years ago it would have pissed me off too. I'm getting old, I think. I've seen so much worse in my day...
Peace, brother Brad. I do understand the point, even if I'm not in complete agreement with it.
Robt.
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09/28/2005 02:19:25 AM · #183 |
| Cupcakes??? Heck, I'd have added Slippy to my favorites if he offered cupcakes. |
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09/28/2005 02:19:45 AM · #184 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
*cough*pot-callin-the-kettle-black*cough* |
 Too funny... Bet that's gonna leave a mark... hehehehehe |
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09/28/2005 02:19:50 AM · #185 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by taterbug:
...oh, and some people like the band 'cause they got nice butts :-P |
I thought that was football players......at least that's what some of the ladies tell me. |
Bands, football players, the mailman... we aren't that picky. ;)
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09/28/2005 02:25:44 AM · #186 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Cupcakes??? Heck, I'd have added Slippy to my favorites if he offered cupcakes. |
 Bring em on ... |
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09/28/2005 02:25:47 AM · #187 |
I can understand how some people can value the rankings, but I honestly don't think strikeslip intended to 'make a mockery' of anyone. Go back to the start of the thread, he wanted to do something cool for a few people and give away some gift memberships. Heaven forbid somebody does something nice for others... I suppose he could of just picked out 4 people and sent them, but thought it might be fun to have a contest. (it has been done in various forms fairly recently) Nothing sneaky or underhanded about it. It was meant to be some good spirited fun I believe.
Do you think that the people that 'go for the brown ribbon' are making a mockery of the whole system?
Some people are not just here for the competition and stats. For many I would think, it is also a place for social interaction, and we like to let our personalities show through a little along with the competition. IMO, life is way too short to take everything so, so serious. If this kind of thing gets someone so torn up, it makes me wonder how do they deal with real life problems???
Just my opinion, don't throw the rocks too hard :-)
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09/28/2005 02:26:01 AM · #188 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Missed the point completely bear.
Why someone chooses someone else as a favorite is a personal thing, and
is most often associated with their work here, their contributions, etc.
Favorites should earned, not bought, no matter how good the intentions were.
I think the 4 memberships offered was a great thing to do, but not as a
Junior High School-like "Vote for me and get a cupcake" bribe.
Period. |
As RayEthier says, it all boils down to a personal belief about the list in question. I honestly believe that many of the favorites on that list were never *earned* so much as blindly given by masses that love to follow a trend. Whether that trend is adding people that are already up high, or adding people that suddenly make a presence in the forums for whatever reason (like having a controversial tri-framed challenge entry, for instance), or adding people because it's their birthday.. or adding someone for a 0.000001% chance of getting a free membership..
It all boils down to the same point.. that list hasn't had integrity for a very long time. It's a measure of popularity, trend value, and human nature. For me, that renders it kind of pointless.
For others, they still believe that it has a real meaning for themselves, like yourself apparently, and I don't wish to begrudge you that. Yes.. a lot of people on that list *did* get up in the higher echelons because people genuinely like their work or admire them.. but if it's the *sole* measure of true worth.. well, heida should be photographing for $1,000,000 a print by now.
I wish that the list could be done away with. It really serves no purpose on this site, IMHO.. Why do we need people ranked in order of the number of people who favorite them? The reasons for doing so are too diverse, and too subjective. Absolutely fantastic photographers on this site will never see the light of day on a list like that because they're either.. quiet, don't enter challenges often enough, don't have much of a forum presence.. whatever.. and Pete save me.. some rather one-trick pony photographers that are loud and vocal and present.. get all kinds of add-ons.
So.. My suggestion is to get rid of the list altogether, and maybe find ways to focus ourselves back into actual photography, and learning, and growing, and teaching... and screw this cheesy peer validation measurement that.. for my money.. hasn't been very legitimate for a long time. |
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09/28/2005 02:33:46 AM · #189 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by taterbug:
...oh, and some people like the band 'cause they got nice butts :-P |
I thought that was football players......at least that's what some of the ladies tell me. |
Bands, football players, the mailman... we aren't that picky. ;) |
I couldn't find a lassoo maam... but thought this might help a tad iffen ya wanted to corral all them critters....
Good luck on the roundup..... |
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09/28/2005 02:38:29 AM · #190 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by taterbug:
...oh, and some people like the band 'cause they got nice butts :-P |
I thought that was football players......at least that's what some of the ladies tell me. |
Bands, football players, the mailman... we aren't that picky. ;) |
hmmm,,, I think I'm gonna go get a 'butt job'
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09/28/2005 03:54:50 AM · #191 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all it's done is rob this site of legitimacy and integrity. |
Do you believe there's ANY valid reason to mark someone as a favorite other than photographic excellence? Do you believe that people who mark as favorites those whose work they wish to follow, or those whose posts they wish to follow, or those who they believe are valuable contributors to the community apart from their photographic skills, are diminishing the "legitimacy and integrity" of the site?
R. |
yes, i do believe there are other valid reasons to add someone as a favorite besides photographic excellence but that is NOT what happened today. Slippy clearly states in his original post that it is his intention to BUY his way onto the list...it's just a big joke to him. forgive me but i do think that is mocking the others that worked hard to make it to that list. he could have just as easily said that anyone who commented on a certain number of his photos would be eligible to be in the drawing for a free membership. or he could have done a little bit of research to find 4 talented phographers who haven't become a member yet and offered the gift membership to them. that would be much more in line with community spirit.
we make all sorts of noise about the "spirit of the rules" when it comes to challenge photos but i can see no way that this falls within the spirit of the rules of this site. buying and selling your votes compromises your integrity and compromises the integrity of the site that allows it to happen.
maybe i AM too naive to still feel that making the favorites list actually means something. it's sad to realize that a lot of people here find it meaningless.
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09/28/2005 04:30:40 AM · #192 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Nazgul:
..I personally dont care much for people calling me names in the heat of the moment..... |
You only have to look at your comment in my Castle Hill photo to realise that in fact you do have a history of being rude and disrespectful. Perhaps you are one of the most overrated photographers here? |
*cough*pot-callin-the-kettle-black*cough* |
:D |
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09/28/2005 04:43:25 AM · #193 |
what's this mocking and favourite conspiracy thread going around?
hey dude, I just added ya, do I get a free membership now? :p
show me your slippy :D |
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09/28/2005 04:52:28 AM · #194 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by sher9204:
in my opinion, all it's done is rob this site of legitimacy and integrity. |
Do you believe there's ANY valid reason to mark someone as a favorite other than photographic excellence? Do you believe that people who mark as favorites those whose work they wish to follow, or those whose posts they wish to follow, or those who they believe are valuable contributors to the community apart from their photographic skills, are diminishing the "legitimacy and integrity" of the site?
R. |
yes, i do believe there are other valid reasons to add someone as a favorite besides photographic excellence but that is NOT what happened today. Slippy clearly states in his original post that it is his intention to BUY his way onto the list...it's just a big joke to him. forgive me but i do think that is mocking the others that worked hard to make it to that list. he could have just as easily said that anyone who commented on a certain number of his photos would be eligible to be in the drawing for a free membership. or he could have done a little bit of research to find 4 talented phographers who haven't become a member yet and offered the gift membership to them. that would be much more in line with community spirit.
we make all sorts of noise about the "spirit of the rules" when it comes to challenge photos but i can see no way that this falls within the spirit of the rules of this site. buying and selling your votes compromises your integrity and compromises the integrity of the site that allows it to happen.
maybe i AM too naive to still feel that making the favorites list actually means something. it's sad to realize that a lot of people here find it meaningless. |
Since I'm the one who used the term naive (I didn't mean it as an insult, btw) let me respond.
I don't think the list is meaningless at all but I definitely don't think that it's an accurate arbiter of how much others like a person's work either.
It is, as Artyste said above, an indication of that PLUS a whole lot of other things such as creating controversy/ humour/ interesting posts in forums, having lots of friends from the site in real life, in forums and in chat, plus it's a quick communication tool.
You indicate that you are aware of users adding people to the list for a variety of reasons (which I assume means the kind of reasons I've listed above) and yet you still feel that the list can be an accurate measure of how hard people have worked. I find this confusing. I don't suggest for a minute that you're not entitled to believe what you believe, I am just stating that the contradictions in that are confusing to me.
I don't wish to name individuals but there are certainly many who have a high number of favourites because of their excellent work AND their popularity (either now or at an earlier date in site history).
I myself have added people to my list for numerous reasons - because of their work, because of my feelings of friendship towards them, because it gives me a quick way of following their forum posts/ photography and because I can use it to find their email/ PM link quickly.
I know that the reasons people have added me to their list are similarly diverse.
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09/28/2005 05:19:02 AM · #195 |
What do you say that any "prize money" go to Charity? Red Cross?
Even if he makes it to the list, there's no guarantee that he'll stay there. Is it? Maybe if we put a different spin on this it might help alleviate any tensions?
Just a thought.
G |
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09/28/2005 05:36:42 AM · #196 |
Originally posted by ggbudge:
What do you say that any "prize money" go to Charity? Red Cross?
Even if he makes it to the list, there's no guarantee that he'll stay there. Is it? Maybe if we put a different spin on this it might help alleviate any tensions?
Just a thought.
G |
I think that is a good idea but I don't think it will satisfy those that see this list as some sought of holy grail.
It would also be better if the money could stay with the site. I have already told slippy to redraw it if I win so someone who really needs or wants it can win. |
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09/28/2005 05:41:51 AM · #197 |
i'm not so blind as to be unaware that there are many reasons the current favorite photographers are on the list. they take great photos, they're active, friendly and helpful in the community, they write tutorials, etc., but not one of them BOUGHT their way onto the list and set out to make it a big joke. like you, Kavey, i've been here at DPC almost from the beginning and this is the first time i've ever seen anything like this.
i'm certainly not trying to force my ethics onto anyone else but i feel very strongly about this and i have to stand up for what i believe.
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09/28/2005 05:54:00 AM · #198 |
I really hope this thread continues as long as the "Who beats who" or the random photo threads. Contraversy of this caliber only comes along once or twice a week here. :)
...and tater, this statement bothers me for some reason:
Originally posted by taterbug:
hmmm,,, I think I'm gonna go get a 'butt job' |
Maybe it's because it just sounded like something you wouldn't say in front of your mother. (possible exception of Alienyst a.k.a "Nudie Boy").
...or Maybe it's because some of us earned our butts, rather than buying them!
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09/28/2005 06:37:19 AM · #199 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
i'm not so blind as to be unaware that there are many reasons the current favorite photographers are on the list. they take great photos, they're active, friendly and helpful in the community, they write tutorials, etc., but not one of them BOUGHT their way onto the list and set out to make it a big joke. like you, Kavey, i've been here at DPC almost from the beginning and this is the first time i've ever seen anything like this.
i'm certainly not trying to force my ethics onto anyone else but i feel very strongly about this and i have to stand up for what i believe. |
No you're right that _this_ hasn't happened before but there have certainly been threads before the one for Heida's birthday simply asking for more favourites! "I'm nearly at 100, go on, help me get there" etc.
I do see where you are coming from on that, I really do.
I guess the thing is, with people using it just to add their friends and so on, I don't think it's ever been just a reflection of hard work on the part of the photographer - it's always been somewhat of a popularity contest too. From that perspective, the idea of subverting it like this for a laugh doesn't seem to me to be that serious because it's not like it's subverting something that was previously very serious anyway.
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09/28/2005 07:31:19 AM · #200 |
Deapee: i'll put you on my list when you make me that print!
Originally posted by deapee:
I must say, decent idea if you just want to be selected, and not really be someone's favorite.
However, I am thankful for every person that added me as a favorite. I like to imagine that one (or more than one) photograph of mine somehow touched that person in a certain way...or they want to keep me in their list to come back and check to see what I've added.
So anyway, more power to you. |
Message edited by author 2005-09-28 07:35:53.
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Too funny... Bet that's gonna leave a mark... hehehehehe
Bring em on ...
