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09/12/2005 12:59:19 AM · #26 |
| a high contrast photo is not a blown out and silhoutted photo all over the place. the winners are all high contrast with rather dramatic hue shifts, while being properly exposed. proper exposure is the key here, you are not looking for all whites and blacks. |
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09/12/2005 01:00:05 AM · #27 |
sok i wondered whether it was high contrast meself! thought the textures were contrasty, the brooms contrasted the whiskers, i think!
i'm still very stoked with the ribbon........ :) |
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09/12/2005 01:00:12 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by dsa157:
that's the beauty of peer voting on this site. you are welcome to your opinion, but the results of 253 other voters apparently don't agree with you.
Dave |
Shallow voting. There is no beauty when the ignorant take over. |
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09/12/2005 01:00:23 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by dsa157:
that's the beauty of peer voting on this site. you are welcome to your opinion, but the results of 253 other voters apparently don't agree with you.
Dave |
A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
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09/12/2005 01:05:21 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by goodman:
sok i wondered whether it was high contrast meself! thought the textures were contrasty, the brooms contrasted the whiskers, i think! |
It is a great image, and many many people thought so. Enjoy your blue ribbon, and don't doubt for a second that you deserved it! You did. :-) |
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09/12/2005 01:05:23 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by dsa157:
that's the beauty of peer voting on this site. you are welcome to your opinion, but the results of 253 other voters apparently don't agree with you.
Dave |
A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
not just a bunch of people, a bunch of photographers. I think, generally, that the high quality photos rise to the top on this site. You are welcome to disagree, but don't start name calling us as brainless, tasteless, unknowledgeable or unfeeling.
Dave
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09/12/2005 01:06:38 AM · #32 |
| For the second place image, it looks to be taken on a bright, sunny day. Almost by definition it couldn't be anything but high contrast in that sort of light... |
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09/12/2005 01:06:39 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by petrakka:
a high contrast photo is not a blown out and silhoutted photo all over the place. the winners are all high contrast with rather dramatic hue shifts, while being properly exposed. proper exposure is the key here, you are not looking for all whites and blacks. |
You're right, I wasn't looking for that. I was looking for an artistic interpretation of high contrast, photography is an art, afterall. An image that was high contrast on more than one level should have won this. Not a nice photo that happened to be slightly high contrast. AND, I'm not denying that the ribbon winners were great photos. They are, but they got carried by shallow voting.
An image like this, my personal favorite of this challenge, should have placed WAY higher. It's high contrast in more than one way, it meets the challenge beautifully.
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09/12/2005 01:08:21 AM · #34 |
it's not about what "deserves" to win a ribbon. it's about what DID win a ribbon.
obviously enough people thought that it fit the bill well enough to score it highly.
bradp: amen, brutha. |
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09/12/2005 01:08:40 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Atropos:
Shallow voting. There is no beauty when the ignorant take over. |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
If this site is just too ignorant and tasteless for you all, find a more inteligent forum.
But then if everyone here was as inteligent as you would like, images like this and this would have scored higher. Right?
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09/12/2005 01:10:53 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
t so. Enjoy your blue ribbon, and don't doubt for a second that you deserved it! You did. :-) |
Maybe...but not in this challenge... |
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09/12/2005 01:13:58 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
t so. Enjoy your blue ribbon, and don't doubt for a second that you deserved it! You did. :-) |
Maybe...but not in this challenge... |
Or maybe this.
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09/12/2005 01:18:08 AM · #38 |
Wow! Such negativity on the site tonight. I count at least four threads with the same participants dragging us all down.
For what it is worth I rated the blue ribbon winner a 7 but think it is a well deserved Blue. If you can't see the High Contrast then I'm sorry, but obviously mor eof us did than did not. Let it rest and get some sleep. I am. Night all.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 01:18:25. |
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09/12/2005 01:22:45 AM · #39 |
Cuz,
You have done it! I am proud of you, you did a fabulous job. For those who are uncomfortable, well, check the score board. Learn to accept those things you can not change.
To the ribbon winners.... congratulations. |
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09/12/2005 01:26:54 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
But then if everyone here was as inteligent as you would like, images like this and this would have scored higher. Right? |
yes |
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09/12/2005 01:28:27 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Cuz,
To the ribbon winners.... congratulations. |
Ditto, great job. There are many here who wish they can be where you are right now.(some aparently too hard)
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09/12/2005 01:28:39 AM · #42 |
I agree with you jbsmithana. I feel certain people on this site continuously make me feel like I shouldn't even be voting because I don't know what I like or dislike. I give them a high score, they state I am ignorant for doing so. If you don't like the majority of the voters decisions what are you to do? Replace them with hand picked critiques that you know feel the same way you do about each image.
I initially thought this website allowed us to vote what "we" feel, I hope it stays that way.
Good job goodman. I like it, and thats just my opinion shallow or not. :P |
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09/12/2005 01:30:27 AM · #43 |
OK, I take my above post back. While I was not keen enough to judge it high contrast (I gave it a 5, which was as high as I gave "not high contrast" photos), I do think it is an excellent photo, I can see what people saw in it (the beard is pretty contrasty, the highlights on his skin contrast with his skin tone) and I will accept it as the deserving blue ribbon winner...
BTW, the thread which I started was not about this pic...
I promise not to start a thread in two weeks entitled "You call that a destination?!?"
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09/12/2005 01:31:08 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
But then if everyone here was as inteligent as you would like, images like this and this would have scored higher. Right? |
yes |
Actually I am quite partial to your image. The other two I think were just going for high contrast and forgot about the rest of what taking a good image was about. But the result are what they are. Take them as such.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 01:35:33.
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09/12/2005 01:34:14 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by dsa157:
not just a bunch of people, a bunch of photographers.
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Says who? In my book photographer is not just someone who bought a camera. It requires alot of work and study to get to that level.
[quote]I think, generally, that the high quality photos rise to the top on this site.[/quote]
That's your opinion and I respect it, mine is that the quality images never make the top, because of the majority who is too shallow to comprehend them. Can you respect mine? I doubt.
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You are welcome to disagree, but don't start name calling us as brainless, tasteless, unknowledgeable or unfeeling.
Dave [/quote]
I didn't, I just said quantity doesn't also mean quality. Just my opinion.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 01:40:46. |
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09/12/2005 01:41:06 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
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That's your opinion and I respect it, mine is that the quality images never make the top, because of the majority who is too shallow to comprehend them. Can you respect mine? I doubt.
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I will agree with you that many of the voters here are not educated in the arts. Hell quite a few aren't even proficient in photography. But you know this going in when you enter your images. Trying to rub the the blue off someone's ribbon sure isn't the way to go about changing the world.
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09/12/2005 01:44:07 AM · #47 |
Do ribbons really matter???? I mean, I know to some people it does, and it would be or must be a great compliment to win one, but I would hope that more than 99% of the people are here to improve their own personal skills.
Instead of worrying about who won, maybe you should be asking yourselves, did I learn something that will help me improve.
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09/12/2005 01:44:23 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
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That's your opinion and I respect it, mine is that the quality images never make the top, because of the majority who is too shallow to comprehend them. Can you respect mine? I doubt.
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I will agree with you that many of the voters here are not educated in the arts. Hell quite a few aren't even proficient in photography. But you know this going in when you enter your images. Trying to rub the the blue off someone's ribbon sure isn't the way to go about changing the world. |
Oh no don't get me wrong. The blue ribbon in this challenge is a great image. Nothing against it. I even said I consider it contrasty, maybe not High enough, you know the challenge title also had the "HIGH" word in it, but that image is a verry good one. I am one of those who when I see a good image in a challenge I give it a 10 even if it doesn't connect to the challenge at all.
I was just replying to dsa157 who said that if the majority says one thing that is clearly and without any doubt so. Without any connection to any image, I just replied to that.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 01:45:55. |
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09/12/2005 01:45:41 AM · #49 |
I see contrast in this photograph, perhaps not the highest amount, but there is enough that it meets the challenge in my mind.
What's more is there is a soul and an emotion behind this particular photograph that I did not find in MANY of the images that had a larger amount of "high contrast".
I saw many that seemed to just push up the nubs on their contrast bars and think that gave the picture everything it needed. Well, for me, simply having an intense amount (often to the detriment of the image) of high contrast isn't enough.
The photo needs to speak to the viewers and it appears the blue and the other ribboners spoke better than others. They incorporated the idea of high contrast and still managed to be beautiful, evocative and make an (favorable) impact on us, the voters.
Is the naysaying sour grapes? I couldn't say. It does seem a little petty to basically harangue those who have, by popular vote, won AND belittle in a backhanded sort of way those who scored it high as well.
Looking at the ones offered by a few of the people who are disappointed, I noted that I gave all of them 6's I believe. I saw the high contrast but not much else spoke to me and/or they had some technical flaws in my mind that kept them from scoring higher with me.
If that makes me a brainless, knowledgeless, and tasteless, well at least I find myself in good company in regards to this challenge.
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09/12/2005 01:47:27 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I promise not to start a thread in two weeks entitled "You call that a destination?!?" |
lol. Whats funny about this is I have a feeling someone will still start this thread. I'm looking forward to the "Disappointing Branch, looks like a twig" and "Only 65 million colors in this portrait, I expected 66." ;)
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