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09/15/2005 09:19:14 AM · #1 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I guess it's just human nature to help (or promote) your friends work as well as your own? ;^)
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This has anything to do with anything that we talked about here, how? Tiberius is a friend of mine. So? I am not promoting anything. That image is one of the best examples of high contrast I ever seen. if anyone tells me that's not high contrast I promise to soot myself in the foot. Twice in both legs.
glad2badad can you please stop following and attacking me anywhere I go in this forum by quoting out parts of what I say from a much larger context? Thank you. Can you please for once in your life stick to a subject and not attack people who talk about it with things from another planet? What you say is right Tiberius is my friend but what in the world are you trying to proove with that?
These questions are retorical, you don't need to answer, I know it probably better than you do. It sucks tho.
Originally posted by rex:
I am putting this thread on ignore.....because it seems to have turned into a bash session |
Good ideea I'm going to do that too I'm sure glad2badad's answer will not be one about high contrast, but just another attack on my person.
so sad...
Message edited by author 2005-09-15 09:23:04. |
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09/15/2005 09:00:56 AM · #2 |
I am putting this thread on ignore.....because it seems to have turned into a bash session
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09/15/2005 08:33:54 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
On the other hand if you wold atleast bother to take a look at the image I posted as an example you would notice it's not mine like you keep saying, it's belongs to Tiberius, from another challenge. I just used it to demonstrate what high contrast means in my opinion. |
I guess it's just human nature to help (or promote) your friends work as well as your own? ;^)
Below is from Cheater, cheater.... ;-) thread.
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
...i am not here to make friendships and therefore I only made one friend, Tiberius because we share a nationality and a few other things. A few times I showed him my image in the challenge over YM, and he goes "I gave you a 10."...
...My point is that after being here a couple of years, I seen others in much larger numbers that me and Tiberius, that are obviously verry good pals, and I belive, alot of 10's are produced that way. ... |
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09/15/2005 07:25:02 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Mr Tee:
I can't agree with you, this is an interpretation of high contrast, yes, yours is high contrast, but so was the winner's image, just not as high as yours.... |
Ok you and those who voted don't agree, that's your opinion, I have mine you have yours we respect eachother's opinions, life is beautiful. Let's celebrate diversity of thoughts and not make a wars on it. That's what I say.
On the other hand if you wold atleast bother to take a look at the image I posted as an example you would notice it's not mine like you keep saying, it's belongs to Tiberius, from another challenge. I just used it to demonstrate what high contrast means in my opinion. Can I have opinions too, right? I posted that image in purpose, to not be mine, to not be from the same challenge, so people don't think I'm comparing my looser image or someone else loosers with the winner one.
Message edited by author 2005-09-15 07:28:22. |
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09/15/2005 07:23:18 AM · #5 |
I view images, not histograms. #1 is a great shot and a very worthy winner. You don't get skin texture like that with low contrast. Photography is not about the whitest of whites and the blackest of blacks - images exist in greys. Then again that's just my humble opinion.
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09/15/2005 07:05:39 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Mr Tee:
The advice given for the challenge was "Use high contrast to create impact in your photograph."
I don't think there is any doubt, in my mind anyway, that these images have created impact using high contrast. |
yes but the keyword is "high". If it just were "contrast" I think it would be ok. Instead it was HIGH contrast. It could of been "Use contrast to create impact in your photograph." and everyone would agree the image has contrast in it. But I ask you again if the blue ribbon and many others in the challenge is HIGH contrast what the hell is the example I posted above? |
I can't agree with you, this is an interpretation of high contrast, yes, yours is high contrast, but so was the winner's image, just not as high as yours. A 6' 4" human would be considered tall but not as tall as a 6' 5" human. So if I say take an image of a tall man, where you going to draw the line? Just because the winning image is not as high contrast as your image doesn't make it wrong. I thought the winning image deserved to win and obviously all those who voted for it agree.
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09/15/2005 04:24:04 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Drew and Langdon have created something really special here for us all to have fun, learn, better our skills, divert from the day's troubles, make new friends and share lives.
I know if I were trying to word a challenge or make decisions/choices, and all it did was create hate & discontent, after a while, I may wanna' turn my back and wonder why I was doing it.
Let's not let it get that far, and keep this place a fun place to go. |
here it goes again... |
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09/15/2005 04:21:35 AM · #8 |
Drew and Langdon have created something really special here for us all to have fun, learn, better our skills, divert from the day's troubles, make new friends and share lives.
I know if I were trying to word a challenge or make decisions/choices, and all it did was create hate & discontent, after a while, I may wanna' turn my back and wonder why I was doing it.
Let's not let it get that far, and keep this place a fun place to go. |
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09/15/2005 04:01:30 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by goodman:
without sounding immodest it got 31 favs. can't be too shabby.
promise i'll try to fit the challenge better next time! :-) |
It's a wonderful image, nobody said it is not. I'd even add it to my favorites myself if you wouldn't of made it plastic with neatimage or whatever you did to it, but that's another "hateful" thread.
The point is nobody when this thread started wanted to say it is a bad image, or to say you didn't deserve to win. All there wanted to be was a civilised debate about what "high contrast" means, with different opinions and points of view. Why would anyone have anything against it. I'm sure you didn't mind. |
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09/15/2005 03:56:46 AM · #10 |
without sounding immodest it got 31 favs. can't be too shabby.
promise i'll try to fit the challenge better next time! :-) |
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09/15/2005 03:53:13 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Mr Tee:
The advice given for the challenge was "Use high contrast to create impact in your photograph."
I don't think there is any doubt, in my mind anyway, that these images have created impact using high contrast. |
yes but the keyword is "high". If it just were "contrast" I think it would be ok. Instead it was HIGH contrast. It could of been "Use contrast to create impact in your photograph." and everyone would agree the image has contrast in it. But I ask you again if the blue ribbon and many others in the challenge is HIGH contrast what the hell is the example I posted above?
Message edited by author 2005-09-15 03:53:52. |
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09/15/2005 03:48:59 AM · #12 |
The advice given for the challenge was "Use high contrast to create impact in your photograph."
I don't think there is any doubt, in my mind anyway, that these images have created impact using high contrast.
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09/15/2005 03:39:06 AM · #13 |
If most images in the high contrast challenge are really high contrast, than what the hell is this? Huuuuge contrast?
I think when Alienyst started this all he wanted was to see what others think about it. Even goodman who won the challenge sais in this thread she wasn't sure if her image is HK enough. All Alienyst and others were trying to do was debate an aspect, but then come the aggresive paranoid gang who can't have an argumented constructive debate, for some reason the blue ribbon didn't feel attacked and she participated but they did.
Originally posted by goodman:
sok i wondered whether it was high contrast meself! thought the textures were contrasty, the brooms contrasted the whiskers, i think!
i'm still very stoked with the ribbon........ :) |
Nobody is obsessed with winning and shit like that, some people just think images here are open for a civilized discussion, including ribbon winners. Everyone on this site say this is a learning site, in my book discussions and debate, positive and negative in a constructive manner is the only way to learn something.
Stuff like this is useless and nobody learns anything from it:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
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A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
Should we assume that you are NOT part of the majority then??? How elitist is that???
Ray |
Yea how about that? I'm not sure if elitist but different for sure. My mother always tought me I should develop a personality of my own and not just float with the majority no matter what they do. I'm verry thankful for that.
Message edited by author 2005-09-15 03:49:58. |
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09/12/2005 04:07:48 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
Couldn't have said it better! |
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09/12/2005 03:56:46 PM · #15 |
Wow The Chit infection has spread....
I think we should all move this over the a thread that is better suited for what I see going on here.
I'm Misunderstood...
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09/12/2005 03:11:26 PM · #16 |
(felt this needed a home here too as well the "other thread")
Gosh people, have fun, live life a little less stressful, go out and shoot with your passion for the love of photography, and not for statistics and subsequent fighting over little sh*t. It's only driving people away - people, experienced or not, right or wrong, opinionated or not, yet still people we all can learn from and enjoy their lives and passion for a common bond that brought us all together here in the first place.
Funny thing is, Lesley (goodman) really sums it up best in her Bio:
"you wont find me whining about my score,
i like tagging along most times.
this site is about having fun isn't it?"
Now the horse is dead - quit beating it!!
(directed at no one specifically either)
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09/12/2005 02:41:24 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
I don't expect my pictures to win anything yet, I just do my best and see what people think, if they like it then good I'm getting better, if not then oh well, I won't do that again. It tends to bother me, though, seeing way above average works by OTHER people getting way lower than they deserve.
It brings me back to the name of the challenge... the high contrast should be a main part of the photo, it should make or break the photo. Imagine people thinking the shoes challenge was all about 'a nice picture, that has shoes in it'. No, it had to be more than that, the shoes had to be the major part of the photo.. there were alot of great looking shots of.. shoes.. not really there for a reason, not beautiful at all on their own, that got voted low.
It's a bit easier when it comes to shoes then with something abstract like high contrast though. Personally, I think there were photos much better suited to the challenge in that the high contrast was a part of everything in the image. Not just a photo of something, which happened to have a few bright and dark areas. That's my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own, but from what I've seen DPC isn't a site for stopping people from voicing (typing) their opinions. I wasn't attacking anyone.. I admit the winning photos are all awesome photos, they just werent *made* for the challenge any more than a picture of shoes by themselves with a beautiful sunset behind them was *made* for the shoes challenge (it'd be a picture of the sunset, with shoes thrown in to meet the challenge). AND before anyone gets mad at my saying that, I only voted on 70% of the shoes entries and didnt see any like I just described, that was just an example. So if there is one like that, I wasn't speaking of your photo. |
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09/12/2005 02:25:00 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
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A majority doesn't mean brains, taste, knowledge, feeling and all those. It's just a bounch of people. |
Should we assume that you are NOT part of the majority then??? How elitist is that???
Ray |
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09/12/2005 12:58:58 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by sacredspirit:
I dont think it is sad! I just think there is an important lesson here to be learned. If the ribbons are your goal then you have to aquire a skill for appealing to the voter.
If your here like me, ribbons take second to bugging everybody here, and playing spoiler to those expensive cameras out there. LOL.
S.O.S. I need a camera people, hook me up. |
My goals exactly!
I saw an incredible contrast in texture and gave it a ten by the way.
Message edited by author 2005-09-13 23:55:30.
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09/12/2005 12:51:22 PM · #20 |
This is kind of a generalization, but I understand your meaning. I think it's a personality type, more than a "main reason for being here".
I play the challenges to win ... period. I love tracking my stats and putting photo's up against photographers whom I consider to be better than myself ... and I love it when I win (which needs to happen more).
... but I dislike these "complaint threads" just as much as anyone here.
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
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09/12/2005 12:44:09 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
Amen, brother...
R. |
I agree. BTW - I'm still having fun! |
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09/12/2005 12:31:55 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by bruski:
It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
Amen, brother...
R.
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09/12/2005 11:37:09 AM · #23 |
I was very disappointed in my showing, not that my shot was great, but I did think it met the definition. Here is an outtake that might have done better??  |
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09/12/2005 11:22:17 AM · #24 |
| It has come to my attention in the last few months that there are some people on this site becoming more and more obsessed with winning. This is apparent because of all the threads poping up after every challenge stating that the winners didn't desterve to win. The only reason I can come up with for this is that the people that are starting these threads are ticked off that they didn't win. Who cares who won. I mean come on, the only thing you win is a couple colored pixels in the shape of a ribbon. That is it. This site was started for one reason, for people to learn photography. And how are they learning? Through challenges so that the learning is fun. Lately they aren't fun because somebody always needs to complain about the winners. Man, let them enjoy the fact that the majority of the voters liked their shot enough to win. Quit trying to take something from them. This is getting nuts. Can't we at least try and let this site be as fun as it used to. back in the days when all anyone cared about was learning photography and having fun? |
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09/12/2005 11:13:02 AM · #25 |
| All three ribbons in this challenge are well deserved, selected by the DPC voters with impeccable taste and judgement. IMO, DPC voters have above average appreciation of photographic arts and more importantly, DPC voters have an interest in the venue. The winners are truly winners! |
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