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09/12/2005 01:49:31 AM · #51 |
| I stopped voting on this challenge at 20% because I didn't feel like the entries were meeting the challenge. I just didn't want to be one of those dill-hole voters that was giving bad scores to good photos, and because the photos in my opinion were not High Contrast. |
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09/12/2005 01:54:42 AM · #52 |
I am impressed with the top 3 winners. Love the high contrast in these shots!
If you don't think they are high contrast..go out and take a picture just like it and try to get that look..trust me...it is high contrast.
Congrats to all three!!! |
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09/12/2005 01:57:34 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
I was just replying to dsa157 who said that if the majority says one thing that is clearly and without any doubt so. Without any connection to any image, I just replied to that. |
I did not say that at all. read my post. I said the majority disagreed with Atropos' opinion that the winning image didn't deserve the blue.
That said, I think the winning image is wonderful. Congrats to you, Lesley on your first blue! well done.
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09/12/2005 02:01:41 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Edit to add:
Crap - relax folks.
This is what is undermining this site and making it someplace I am slowly wanting to be less a part of more & more, as I don't feel we should have to seek a law firm to make sure we have a picture that fits, title is spelled right, is perfect in every aspect, will not offend anyone, will not be mis-construed as something else, is mathmatically computed to determine is light/dark ratios.
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exactly how i feel too brad.....not sure how much longer i will post here only to stress about what others think... |
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09/12/2005 02:07:01 AM · #55 |
For the novice: High contrast can best be understood by pushing all of the upper lighter values to pure white and all the lower tones to black. However, this effect with the above application renders a graphical representation which loses the integrity of tonal values.
In order to maintain integrity you can not effectively push values to such extremes. High contrast images vary in contrast. It is merely the play or relationship between the lower and higher zones. Highlights are usually well defined, yet not all images contain discernable or practical highlights. There may be strong midtones against rich darks and brights but sometimes it is a matter of degrees and in some cases these degrees are subtle. The majority of images strive for high contrast because it makes the image more visually pleasing. Ansel Adams is known for his high contrast vistas, yet look at his studies and you will see a great variation in its application.
Whenever you use an "s" curve you at once raise the contrast by pushing the upper spectrum to lighter and the lower to darker, but note that the effect is always controlled so as not to lose the bulk of the midtones. The midtones are the the heart and to lose them is to enter the graphical realm. In short, high contrast does not mean stark light and dark. It is more about the play of the lights and darks against your midtone mass. You can have an image with suppressed midtones but not with obliterated midtones.
All of the winners are considered High Contrast. If you fail to see this than find a flat image, that is, one taken in shade and apply the "s" curve until you see the effect. If you push it too far you will ruin it, but if you proceed with caution you will then see the contrast increased. Of course, what you are doing is making a correction but you are indeed making the image high contrast. Now, if you shoot the same image with better light and naturally more contrast then applying the "s" will truly enhance it. Try it on many images and you will discover that high contrast simply gives the image a better visual edge but effects and degrees will vary. Some images will lend themselves to a stark division of light and dark and others will not. Most will fall into a modest division. Here is where taste comes into play. Look at low contrast images and then you will have little trouble identifying high contrast. |
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09/12/2005 02:10:38 AM · #56 |
| I think a lot of people confuse high-contrast with high-key ... |
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09/12/2005 02:12:22 AM · #57 |
I am not going to say anythin gabout the technicality of the blue ribbon picture. Personally, I think it's wonderful. But this has nothing to do with this site anymore.
What I am going to point your attention to, is the voting curve.
Take this one and compare it to Librodo's questionable ribbon at d&l.
Goodman's curve is normal. People liked the photo, thought it fit the challenge, voted high - she ribbons.
Librodo's however.... People recognized the photographer, thought they'd say hi, and give him a 10 while their at it.
And with that I conclude my staying here.
Had fun. But not anymore. |
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09/12/2005 02:31:37 AM · #58 |
This is a truly amazing, and hugely disheartening, thread. That's all I got to say :-(
R.
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09/12/2005 05:03:24 AM · #59 |
I gave the 1st and 3rd images 6 each, on my scale of voting that is an above average vote, excellent images. In my opinion the 2nd image completely filled the criteria,I googled and searched for high contrast images previous to the challenge and most came back with images like the 2nd, as I understand, high contrast is a picture with clear definition between dark and light areas in the pictures, am I correct?
I agree with Robert's conclusion on this thread too.
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09/12/2005 07:50:18 AM · #60 |
Ok, my first thought was to stay away from this thread. But, after reading thru it a second time, I just can't help myself.
Although I am new to photography, I have owned an advertising agency for the last decade or so. I have delt with all kinds of images, and I feel that I can tell a good image from a bad image....FOR ME.
My point is, photography is art. Althought there are rules that apply to art, art is subjective. I see comments on photos that say "well done, meets challenge" and then on the same photo, "doesn't meet challenge - voted low". So what is my point??? Look at my score. I placed 331 out of 343. When I submited my photo I felt it met the challenge. I now know that what I percieve as high contrast is not the same as the majority here. I was thinking both color and physical contrast, so I shot a black and white photo that showed contrast between the classes of people as well.
Am I discouraged??? Not at all. I like my photo and I have recieved great responses to it outside of this challenge where people judge it for what it is and not any contest rules.
Bottom line - I would love to get a blue ribbon someday, but the lack of one (or a high score) will in no way stop me from following my dream.
I get far more from this site from its sense of community and ongoing conversations and with new friends that are willing to help me along the way than I do from challenges. I am a photographer. Reactions to my images - good or bad - make me that.....not ribbons.
I appreceate everyone here. Keep trashing my photos - at least I know your looking! SMILE!!!!!!!! <------- last line ment as a joke!!!!
Place: 331 out of 343
Avg (all users): 4.386
Avg (commenters): 4.500
Avg (camera): 4.395
Avg (no camera): 2.000
Views since voting: 9
Views during voting: 327
Votes: 249
Comments: 6
Favorites: 1 (view) |
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09/12/2005 07:54:53 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
For the novice: High contrast... |
Terrific post. 'nuff said :-) |
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09/12/2005 07:59:54 AM · #62 |
I cannot believe it...and you know exactly what I mean! I cannot believe this thread has been censored the way it has. What a bunch of crap!
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 08:03:37. |
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09/12/2005 08:01:54 AM · #63 |
Here we go again....I'm sick of getting up and reading about how disappointed Alienyst is about the results or what ever bug he has up his ....sorry coffee's ready.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 08:29:38.
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09/12/2005 08:05:21 AM · #64 |
busted post.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 08:06:05. |
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09/12/2005 08:05:35 AM · #65 |
| I believe this is the first time I have started a thread such as this or even posted to one in such a manner as I have in this one. I believe you are over exaggerating. |
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09/12/2005 08:07:38 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by rich:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
For the novice: High contrast... |
Terrific post. 'nuff said :-) |
As an aside: after reading my post I realized that it could be interpreted as a dig against Alienyst or anyone else. It was not - I was just trying to not waste space by quoting Graphicfunk's entire post. I simply thought what he posted was particularly insightful and worth reading. Perhaps I should have quoted the whole thing then... |
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09/12/2005 08:08:18 AM · #67 |
| As contrast is defined as: "the opposition or dissimilarity of things that are compared", could this photo not be classed as high contrast due to the Sharpened parts of the image compared to the softer parts? (as well as the darks versus the lights)But then again, I did Sharp contrasting with soft and colors contrasting and ended up 324/343 - so what do I know?? hehe I just think that many hundreds of people have voted on this and that is their collective favorite. I personally think it is wonderful. |
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09/12/2005 08:12:20 AM · #68 |
That is SO cold, and mean-spirited. You know I don't like to say this, but in a way I hope that someday you have an image that does well enough to ribbon, then have others step on your few moments of glory - perhaps give you a taste of what this must feel like. Geez!
Then again, there aren't many others that are so cold to say what you have, so I doubt you would be subjected to the same disrespectful treatment.
What a sad, sad, day this is...
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
t so. Enjoy your blue ribbon, and don't doubt for a second that you deserved it! You did. :-) |
Maybe...but not in this challenge... |
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09/12/2005 08:19:36 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by goodman:
sok i wondered whether it was high contrast meself! thought the textures were contrasty, the brooms contrasted the whiskers, i think!
i'm still very stoked with the ribbon........ :) |
As you should be! Congratulations! |
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09/12/2005 08:21:43 AM · #70 |
Blue ribbon winner is very high contrast to me. Excellent capture. Alienyst? What's high contrast in your book? A siloutte?
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09/12/2005 08:25:47 AM · #71 |
| I aqm very dissapointed with the high contrast finishes and scores. Maybe I have a different eye but they were way off from my picks. Not even close. Not just the wimnners I mean all the way down through the top 150. Why are the average votes from members without cameras so low. I dont understand. averages of two and three for great pics. |
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09/12/2005 08:26:52 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by terje:
Blue ribbon winner is very high contrast to me. Excellent capture. Alienyst? What's high contrast in your book? A siloutte? |
geez that hurts
altho its not even real sunset.
Message edited by author 2005-09-12 08:27:20.
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09/12/2005 08:37:02 AM · #73 |
| So far in this thread we have been called ignorant, shallow and pointed out that we are not photographers. I for one am not loving this site right now. |
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09/12/2005 08:49:32 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by troberge:
So far in this thread we have been called ignorant, shallow and pointed out that we are not photographers. I for one am not loving this site right now. |
Oh no! I hope you weren't refering to my comment about ribbons not making me a photographer! If so, I ment exactly the opposite. I was just trying to explain how I feel about myself. My passion for photography goes far beyond any scores I may get.
There is so much talent in this group. I in no way ment anything negative. |
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09/12/2005 09:00:25 AM · #75 |
I don't mean to sound stringent, but this is getting really sad in my opinion. After every challenge, it seems there is somebody bitching and moaning about the ribbon winners. 343 people voted on this challenge, and the ribbon winners got the majority of the higher votes. I find it excruciatingly funny how one person can think that they know better than most everybody else here on the site who participated in the voting, and then start a rampant thread demeaning the ribbon winners.
I for one respect the consensus of the voters, no matter how ill-fated my score might be in a challenge, as I am no expert on photography. To publically call out the ribbon winners in such an inviduous manner is disrespectful not only to the ribbon winners, but also to the majority of voters. If you feel so differently than the vast majority of voters and yet your entry scores in the lower 50 percentile, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your fundamentals and credentials as a photographer, and see what qualfies you to make implications like these. |
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