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03/03/2005 07:35:56 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Zippy:
It is tough when you think you have created a good picture for a challenge and then some people are posting that they are voting all B&W pictures down and others are voting down white subjects for not being a light color. |
Why would someone vote down all images that are black and white? People really are dense, huh?
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03/03/2005 07:45:05 PM · #27 |
I'll start this by saying that I'm not voting down B&W's. I've decided to vote them in terms of quality.
After looking at this picture can you tell me what color the stairs are? Are the stairs white? What is the real color of the railing? What color are the posts?
Keep in mind, this pic was taken in San Francisco....
What's the real color of those flowers? Are they light yellow, light pink, white?
Did I use all natural light, fills? Any thought on lighting contrast?
Therein lies the problem with BW. I can't tell truthfully what exactly I'm looking at. Removing the color clouds the real deal.
Message edited by author 2005-03-03 19:49:36. |
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03/03/2005 07:59:19 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'll start this by saying that I'm not voting down B&W's. I've decided to vote them in terms of quality.
After looking at this picture can you tell me what color the stairs are? Are the stairs white? What is the real color of the railing? What color are the posts?
Keep in mind, this pic was taken in San Francisco....
What's the real color of those flowers? Are they light yellow, light pink, white?
Did I use all natural light, fills? Any thought on lighting contrast?
Therein lies the problem with BW. I can't tell truthfully what exactly I'm looking at. Removing the color clouds the real deal. |
black and white is obviously NOT about color...so no, you cannot tell the 'real color' of the flowers. b&w is about tonal ranges...
You can STILL TELL whether or not an image is 'light' or 'dark' though...and your whites will still be white.
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03/03/2005 08:18:35 PM · #29 |
| From what I read here and the score I have, I see that alot of voters tried to establish strict barriers on the theme "Light on White" and forgot that the interpretation of it could be different from person to person. Yes guidelines are essential, but arguing on if White is a color...! |
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03/03/2005 08:30:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by racer:
Yes guidelines are essential, but arguing on if White is a color...! |
Just for clarity, I wasn't arguing if white was a color or not.
Just questions that crossed my mind when viewing those photo's.
Not to be disputacious but I was more concerned with the fact that I couldn't, with 100% certainty make out what I was looking at. Lighting questions were more what leaped to mind especially in comparison with say, slightly off white flowers or a coffee cup(in color)on a clearly textured white background.
In more of those color shots of similar comp and subject, I had a better grip on what the photographer had accomplished and that I liked.
Not a big deal. I just thought I'd offer some people who shot B&W and were curious what a voter may have been thinking. Again...I didn't vote them down. |
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03/03/2005 08:41:43 PM · #31 |
I'm new to this..and certainly confused as to why anyone would only want to see photo's that look like the one they shot. I interpreted the assignment to be a light color, as it says a "predominantly "light" color on a white background. I don't mind that people used white as their foreground, and certainly am only voting on the quality of the photo.
Dahkota's comments make sense to me. My shot is hovering around 4 and a bit (not a pure white background), but hey, i like it! |
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03/03/2005 08:45:20 PM · #32 |
I agree with you - I think the lighting problem in some of the photos is a greater detriment than if the background is/is not completely white or if the subject is a light non-white color. If I can't tell the difference between the background and the foreground, what's the point?
Dahkota |
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03/03/2005 08:52:01 PM · #33 |
Exactly!
Question-I've had 220 votes on my shot and only one comment (very favourable). Is that normal? Or does that say something more about how people feel about the photo? |
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03/03/2005 08:59:02 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by bucket:
Exactly!
Question-I've had 220 votes on my shot and only one comment (very favourable). Is that normal? Or does that say something more about how people feel about the photo? |
Votes: 211
Views: 240
Avg Vote: 4.1896
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
I'm right there with ya...and I don't get it either
hehehe
--S
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03/03/2005 09:07:00 PM · #35 |
I'm right there with you but I know my picture deserves it, whether people are voting for white, against white, for color, against color, whatever. My problem is compositional. I screwed up. However, I didn't blow my highlights!
Dahkota |
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03/03/2005 09:07:13 PM · #36 |
Votes:215
Views:299
Avg Vote:4.4140
Comments:1
Favorites:0
Wish Lists:0
hmm I guess I'd better go mkae more comments myself...what is with the views and no vote? |
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03/03/2005 10:04:19 PM · #37 |
I just got a comment saying my shot doesn't fit the challenge because it's black and white. Ugh, that's what's been pissing me off all day, not about my own shot but people just saying that in general. Seriously, WHAT are people reading? Certainly not the challenge rules.
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03/03/2005 10:06:41 PM · #38 |
| What?? Is white a color??...... is the sky blue? If white wasn't a color, we wouldn't be able to see it. Give me a break. Some people are going way too deep with these interpretations to the point of stupidity. |
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03/03/2005 10:09:59 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by nfessel:
What?? Is white a color??...... is the sky blue? If white wasn't a color, we wouldn't be able to see it. Give me a break. Some people are going way too deep with these interpretations to the point of stupidity. |
Testify! The comments people have been posting about "like, if it's not, like, pale pink, then like, it doesn't count and like white is like sooooo not a color" are making me .. well... postal. |
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03/03/2005 11:02:58 PM · #40 |
Just for the scientific record, neither black or white are colors. White is a reflection of all colors. Black absorbs all colors.
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03/03/2005 11:09:03 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by G4Ds:
Just for the scientific record, neither black or white are colors. White is a reflection of all colors. Black absorbs all colors. |
bah //
then what is grey ?
white is only not a color if you live in rgb space
& believe highschool physics
try cymk or Lab or real life offset printing
.. white is most certianly a color - it is more a matter of just which white ?
a c5y3m3 ?
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03/03/2005 11:13:49 PM · #42 |
omg I can't believe this thread!! white is not a color, white is a color, etc. etc. WE WILL NEVER AGREE..so let's just go shoot something.
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03/03/2005 11:20:09 PM · #43 |
Well, if you want to get technical, colors are nothing more than frequencies of light just like notes on a scale are frequencies of sound. I do, however, like the blend of all the frequencies of light (white) MUCH more than then the blend of all the frequencies of sound. Especially at high volume.
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03/03/2005 11:45:41 PM · #44 |
Here is how the challenge should read so that we can all get it right. Ya.
Challenge (Light on white). Take a photo in which the background is white and the subject is predominately a "light" color. Be mindful of over-exposing your highlights! Also be mindful that white is not a color and should not be used as the subject. Also black and whites are not valid as the white in B&W is really not white at all. The white background must meat a brightness quotient of 120 lumens or is not white enough. Black can not be used as a background and inverted to white as it is still really black not matter how white it looks. But the good news is that the bone I will through you so we can have ten thousand threads on the interpitation of this challenge is the light color is up for grabs. Good luck trying to score over a 5.
Message edited by author 2005-03-03 23:45:59.
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03/04/2005 10:40:22 AM · #45 |
White is not a blend of all frequencies. It is a reflection of all frequencies. Pure white has no color to it at all. It does not absorb any light frequencies making it a non color. Black is more of a color than white is. Black at least comes from the absorbtion of all colors. If white has even a smidgit of any color, than it is not pure white and then steps into the relm of color. But pure white is not a color but a reflection of all colors.
Originally posted by dahkota:
Well, if you want to get technical, colors are nothing more than frequencies of light just like notes on a scale are frequencies of sound. I do, however, like the blend of all the frequencies of light (white) MUCH more than then the blend of all the frequencies of sound. Especially at high volume.
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03/04/2005 10:53:23 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by puma:
... white is not a color and should not be used as the subject.
The white background must meat a brightness quotient of 120 lumens or is not white enough.
But the good news is ... the light color is up for grabs. |
He-he...this is fun!
Ok, so if white is not a color, how do they manage to put white crayons in my kids' coloring box?
If the light color is up for grabs, does a white subject under 120 lumens qualify as a light color since it is not white enough?
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03/04/2005 11:00:47 AM · #47 |
| Just a thought It says a white background and a predominatly light subject...........it does not say your entire background has to be white or that nothing else can be in pic. Just a white background to your subject....so if we are splitting hairs here any light subject with a white background weather it is the entire picture or not is by the rules, and to the ones with only white background on entire photo how do we even know there is even a background there without some other referance point, which the subject does not provid.It is an easy thing in photo shop to creat a white background on anything. |
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03/04/2005 11:03:49 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by holdingtime:
Just a thought It says a white background and a predominatly light subject...........it does not say your entire background has to be white or that nothing else can be in pic. Just a white background to your subject....so if we are splitting hairs here any light subject with a white background weather it is the entire picture or not is by the rules, and to the ones with only white background on entire photo how do we even know there is even a background there without some other referance point, which the subject does not provid.It is an easy thing in photo shop to creat a white background on anything. |
This is where I am getting killed, I didn't use a white background and my score shows it.
Message edited by author 2005-03-04 11:08:16. |
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03/04/2005 11:05:05 AM · #49 |
Maybe purely from a scientific standpoint, white is a non-color. However, as a block of some hue that I see amongst blues and greens and what-have-yous, I throw it in the category of 'colors,' as far as day-to-day usage of the word is concerned.
By the way, when you look in the paint section at Lowes, you'll see a few dozen shades of white as paint choices before you start hitting undeniably non-white shades. Are ALL few dozen whites non-color? In that case, if you want to argue scientifically, all but one of them would have color to it of some sort, therefore, be a color. Am I correct?
Furthermore, if we're to base on strictly white background, who, with a naked eye only, can identify for us all exactly which pictures have that truly white background (the one without any color). With that, who, with that same naked eye, can define whether or not my photo doesn't fit the challenge on the other end of it, because my subject is truly white (again, the one without any color). In short, let's stop fussing about what is white and what isn't and focus on the spirit of the challenge: attaining attractive, quality pictures which have fairly undebatably white (at any shade of white) background, and have a light subject.
-Annette
Agree? Disagree? Yay? Neigh?
Message edited by author 2005-03-04 11:09:06. |
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03/04/2005 11:07:25 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by G4Ds:
But pure white is not a color but a reflection of all colors. |
what temperature of white ? 6500K ? nice blue sky ? 2700K nice ruddy 60watt bulb ?
what is the reflecting surface ? white sheet (complete with optical brighteners )
or Chrome / mirror which shows off your K of light source ? paper ? linen 20lb kind of yellowish /?
how about envronment ? / your calibrated monitor ? the poor white balence on the camera ? (grey world mech. or white patch ? auto manual or tweeked ?? )
your receptors of white are not my receptors -
my eyes see my vision/version of the world
i vote highly for nice pictures ;) pictures that strike me as different ,good concept that had a bit of effort and/or thought put in . within a vauge set of rules that more or less correspond to the 'challenge'
I vote low for the opposite -- not all egg/flower/dog/lightbulb pictures are good
but some are ;)
Message edited by author 2005-03-04 11:09:11. |
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