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02/17/2009 03:12:42 PM · #226 |
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02/17/2009 03:12:58 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
This isn't in rant yet? Someone drop in a few obscenities and get things moving. |
I thought that already happened... as in she-who... ;) |
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02/17/2009 03:13:34 PM · #228 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
Crap!
I got nothing... |
Obscenity alert! |
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02/17/2009 03:16:27 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by violinist123:
This isn't in rant yet? Someone drop in a few obscenities and get things moving. |
Then it could get parked next to this rant thread with a similar theme --> Nit-Pickers, 1's and 2's and "Distracting". |
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02/17/2009 03:21:35 PM · #230 |
You want obscenities eh?
Well I just voted on all the challenges in voting and didn't leave a single vote higher than a 2 nor a single comment!
Hah! So there. |
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02/17/2009 03:23:17 PM · #231 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by violinist123:
This isn't in rant yet? Someone drop in a few obscenities and get things moving. |
Then it could get parked next to this rant thread with a similar theme --> Nit-Pickers, 1's and 2's and "Distracting". |
Yeah, Barry...go for it!!! Drop a few nice 4 letter words and hopefully, it will get placed there. :) |
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02/17/2009 03:25:23 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
I'm sure that Ubique can hold his own so, why the need to step in for him? Do you not think that he's capable of making his own comments and needs guards to do it for him? I'm one woman. LOL |
No, he doesn't need me. You're just annoying me, so I'm sticking my own 2-cent's worth in. I know better than to get involved, too, but there it is. It takes a lot to provoke me, so you can have some pride in that.
R.
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02/17/2009 03:26:57 PM · #233 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by violinist123:
This isn't in rant yet? Someone drop in a few obscenities and get things moving. |
Then it could get parked next to this rant thread with a similar theme --> Nit-Pickers, 1's and 2's and "Distracting". |
Yeah, Barry...go for it!!! Drop a few nice 4 letter words and hopefully, it will get placed there. :) |
Snow.
There's a four letter word for you. |
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02/17/2009 03:28:42 PM · #234 |
Images are like food. Some people like it, some people don't like it. That's the way life goes.
My husband likes broccoli. I don't like broccoli. If he had to rate it, he would give it a 10. If I had to rate it, I would give it a 2. Same broccoli, different tastes. Can't everyone just accept that some people like your image, some don't? some people get it, some don't?
You don't understand when someone gives a 2 for a front page image. Someone else out there is wondering how the front page image got a 10. No one is right! It is all opinion!! Get over it, get over yourselves, and get something better to do than repeatedly b#itch about it in forums!!
(is that rant enough?)
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02/17/2009 03:28:47 PM · #235 |
| Colette, now you've done it. Hell, I think you actually even broke the TOS with that one! |
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02/17/2009 03:31:31 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Holy toledo, Batman! I just checked in on this thread... I am now very inclined to go vote a challenge, leave tons of 3s (probably at random) and comment as to why. I shall quote the thread number as my reason.
Seriously, go vote. Quit pontificating. Comment on random shots. Have a good time. Enjoy life. Take more pictures.
Oh, and visit my profile page so my little flag counter thingie gets more hits. |
Ah, I did hit "post" on this one. Thought maybe I thought better and hit delete. Oh well.
CARP!! (Four letter word - move to rant.)
You're all getting 3s if you're in Apple IIe. Why? Because I have a 4 something, and though several folks have indeed thoughtfully explained why (and I understand perfectly) I really do feel the urge to just go vote a ton of 3s, with a 4 thrown in on occasion, JUST FOR FUN!!!
And thanks for the flag hits. The US is leading big time, followed by the UK, then Germany. Canada needs to do some serious catching up....
I now return you to your regularly scheduled "he said/she said and no I didn't". Just think of all the time and typing that could have been used to leave comments....
Message edited by author 2009-02-17 15:32:23. |
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02/17/2009 03:33:39 PM · #237 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Colette, now you've done it. Hell, I think you actually even broke the TOS with that one! |
You said "Hell" !!! Gasp! Dang! Can't hardly believe it. :-)
Actually, this is more likely to get locked than moved I think. |
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02/17/2009 03:34:47 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
... I now return you to your regularly scheduled "he said/she said and no I didn't". Just think of all the time and typing that could have been used to leave comments.... |
I only leave comments on votes of 3 or under...so you're probably better off with me typing in here. He-he. |
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02/17/2009 03:36:34 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
Images are like food. Some people like it, some people don't like it. That's the way life goes. |
True, but if I'm trying to improve my photography I'd like to know why somebody didn't like it or why somebody did. I don't care if somebody gives me a 1, but it would be nice to find out why so I can improve. After all, I can't change the taste of broccoli, but I can change to composition of a shot, or get something in focus etc.
Right, I'm off to get over myself now.
Message edited by author 2009-02-17 15:38:33. |
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02/17/2009 03:45:29 PM · #240 |
quick bit of research update!!!
the current 9 ribbons on the front page have an average of 7(ish) 1, 2, or 3 votes each.
scrolling down to the 5.5 scores in brown ribbon dejavu, they also average 7(ish) votes of 3 or under!
conclusion - these are not the voters you need to worry about if you want to increase your final score!!
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02/17/2009 03:51:48 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, I was going to stay out of this for awhile, because it seems to be getting quite personal. But dainmcgowan made an interesting point. Let's skip the 2s & 3s for a second and look just at the 1s. For the top 9 photos on the front page, they received a combined total of 12 ones. A 1 is the lowest rank you can possibly receive--there no one below you. I find it hard to believe, given the number of bad photos you can find in a given challenge, that these 9 were among the worst that you can get. Since I don't get it, and assuming the votes were real--not someone just trying to up their own score, I would like to know what made it so awful--and it's not even my picture. |
Perhaps I simply do not like the subject matter, or think that it's subject matter that I have seen far too often before, and am tired of seeing. This is just one of many reasons I might give a 1. The entire voting scale is there to use, and I reserve my right to use it for any reason whatsoever I decide to use it for.
That's all there is to it. It's part of being in a competition, and it's a part of life. No matter what the voting scale is, someone will always give the lowest score to photos that they either don't like, don't want to see do well, or don't think are very good (for whatever reason). Any desire to see this change is simply a desire to not have to deal with the disappointment, but disappointment is an intrinsic part of the whole process. It's the only thing that makes us strive to be better.
If we look deep within ourselves, we'll see that. We need the 1s and 2s as much as we need the 9s and 10s. |
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02/17/2009 03:53:55 PM · #242 |
It all comes back to your reason why you're here. We each have our own & it's to your advantage to know what you want out of this site. If you're not getting what you want then you can try to force or cajole this site into giving you what you want, or just take what you can, or stay away.
I do not understand why anyone would want a 1-2-3 vote AND a critical comment explaining why. Even after it's carefully explained to me, I still don't understand it. Too much of a bad thing, IMO.
It might be amusing, for a while, to write very snarky comments. I have a bad reaction to a gun pointed at my head, even a toy gun, even as a joke, even in a photo--I could write a comment that would be more of a rant or maybe even a diatribe. And I have typed such a comment, but then I don't post it. Because the person who posted the photo featuring a gun pointed at my head didn't get it in the first place, so how is a comment (even a very snarky one) going to change anything?
Anyone secure in their art/craft/vision is not going to be swayed by critical OR complimentary comments. Or even very interested in them. The motivation of both groups is suspicious. My favorite comments are in the style of  k10dguy , something creative & personal. Or, from someone who goes back after rollover to leave a more personal comment. Also, by receiving one of the informal personal awards. Those mean a lot to me. |
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02/17/2009 05:09:09 PM · #243 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, I was going to stay out of this for awhile, because it seems to be getting quite personal. But dainmcgowan made an interesting point. Let's skip the 2s & 3s for a second and look just at the 1s. For the top 9 photos on the front page, they received a combined total of 12 ones. A 1 is the lowest rank you can possibly receive--there no one below you. I find it hard to believe, given the number of bad photos you can find in a given challenge, that these 9 were among the worst that you can get. Since I don't get it, and assuming the votes were real--not someone just trying to up their own score, I would like to know what made it so awful--and it's not even my picture. |
Ok. Suppose I grant you this, and that there are no objective measures by which those pictures deserve a 1.
So what?
Were the photographers harmed in some way?
Was the value of their product diminished?
Was their ability to find true love compromised?
No. They got 12 ones, and the net outcome was... they all got ribbons. If anything this is an argument for the status quo. |
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02/17/2009 06:00:58 PM · #244 |
| Weird... I went to the supermarket today and they wouldn't let me buy my choice of cereal until I filled out a comment form for each of the ones I didn't want, telling why. I don't think I'll shop there again :) |
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02/17/2009 06:02:06 PM · #245 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Weird... I went to the supermarket today and they wouldn't let me buy my choice of cereal until I filled out a comment form for each of the ones I didn't want, telling why. I don't think I'll shop there again :) |
lololol :) |
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02/17/2009 06:06:08 PM · #246 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Weird... I went to the supermarket today and they wouldn't let me buy my choice of cereal until I filled out a comment form for each of the ones I didn't want, telling why. I don't think I'll shop there again :) |
*laughs until his hernia bursts. |
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02/17/2009 06:10:38 PM · #247 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I'd say that last comment applies to everybody, or this thread will be changing its location.
If you have something to say on the subject feel free to post, if you only have things to say about each other you can unplug your keyboard ... |
*sigh*
Moving to Rant |
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02/17/2009 06:21:34 PM · #248 |
 bcenu,
Thank you for your website suggestion. Unfortunately, we've tried a similar tactic in the past and found that it did not produce the desired results (either an increase in the average # of comments per challenge and/or a statistically significant change in average scored received).
Because the previous experiment ended in failure, we have no plans at this time to re-institute a similar program. Many of the reasons the experiment failed are outlined within the posts in this thread.
We recommend that you use the forums to seek additional feedback on your entry post-challenge.
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02/17/2009 06:33:11 PM · #249 |
I am very much for the idea of voters being forced to comment on their very low votes. It is much too easy to click on a 1 or 2 'just because'. There are several reasons why people might do that, even if the picture is obviously not that bad, one of which is envy and/or personal dislike for the photo. Do not vote at all if you simply don't like the photo for personal reasons. If the photo is bad then the voter can vote low and offer constructive criticism, to which others and the photographer can offer a reply and everyone wins.
To enable voters to put down a relatively good photo for frivolous reasons is not very wise and lots of discouragement and anxiety occurs within the group. |
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02/17/2009 06:45:16 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by MilaMiles:
I am very much for the idea of voters being forced to comment on their very low votes. It is much too easy to click on a 1 or 2 'just because'. There are several reasons why people might do that, even if the picture is obviously not that bad, one of which is envy and/or personal dislike for the photo. Do not vote at all if you simply don't like the photo for personal reasons. If the photo is bad then the voter can vote low and offer constructive criticism, to which others and the photographer can offer a reply and everyone wins.
To enable voters to put down a relatively good photo for frivolous reasons is not very wise and lots of discouragement and anxiety occurs within the group. |
1. Why? Not liking a photo for personal reasons is a completely valid thing. This is a contest we're in, not a bridal shower.
2. Discouragement is part and parcel. Anxiety is out of anyone else's control. If you're going to become anxious and discouraged because someone doesn't like your photo, you're in the wrong place. Also, the reasons are only frivolous to you. To the person voting, they aren't frivolous in the slightest, and 5 - 30 or so people telling you "I simply don't like this" because they were forced to say something isn't going to change anything now, is it? If anything, it'll just make you more anxious and discouraged.
Learn to let the anomalies go, and you'll be a far happier and confident person for it.
Read what L2 had to say just above your post, it is almost the perfect summation. |
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