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12/11/2008 12:42:58 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
DPC= Depriving Photographers Creativity? seems that way sometimes. |
Constraints are a great way to enhance your creativity - the more stringent the better.
Take a picture of anything you like, any way you like, vs
Take a picture of a pencil at noon on a sunny day
See which one forces you to be more creative to make a good picture |
If we were all forced to take a picture of a pencil at noon on a sunny day the only thing that would happen is we'd have a bunch of those ulgy artifact filled HDR skies resulting in poorly executed post processing (but voters love anyway) and a pencil stuck in the foreground probably as a silhouette or interacting with a kid's toy or for the arts and crafts crowd a colorful arrangement of pencils in the same patterns we've seen hundreds of times before. The more simple/colorful the entire composition is the better it would do so basically the same exact thing we get in every other challenge except a pencil is used instead of a woody or a person or whatever the challenge theme calls for. |
Um, what exactly are we arguing about here?
The site just needs more frequent expert editing challenges, that's all. It doesn't need to change drastically in order to do this, and every challenge doesn't need to suddenly become a free-for-all. Having expert challenges, or "do whatever you want period" challenges aren't going to change the fact that people will still submit the same ol' stuff that will win.
Give a few more bones to the people that want to open up their world of digital manipulation, keep the main challenges the way they are for the people that enjoy that, and throw a few more bones to the people that love to basically forget photoshop exists.
How hard is that? |
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12/11/2008 01:08:26 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
DPC= Depriving Photographers Creativity? seems that way sometimes. |
Constraints are a great way to enhance your creativity - the more stringent the better.
Take a picture of anything you like, any way you like, vs
Take a picture of a pencil at noon on a sunny day
See which one forces you to be more creative to make a good picture |
I agree with the first post.
For those who do have a good or decent grip on "the rules"...or photographic technique and wish to move into different zones they get locked into the most basic understanding of those parameters in the competitions. Nobody's literally being deprived of anything but many avenues of creative photography are certainly shut down or discouraged by the voters who of course, don't understand what it is they are being shown.
This placed 234 out of 501. Most or many DPCers probably would judge or credit that image with poor technique but if you asked them to recreate that shot they probably couldn't and would soon realize how hard it is to do well. Xion ans Les Goodman have offered a few like it (NOT "happy accidents) and I'd bet it's a lot harder to do than a waterdrop shot or a straightforward portrait.
The Masters Free Study with a few exceptions was an excercise in taking safe, well scoring shots. Which takes us back to the original statement...
Message edited by author 2008-12-11 13:41:10. |
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12/11/2008 02:25:31 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by bobonacus:
If the stars moving is legal / to be made legal ... |
But moving stars (within the composition) are not allowed, and aren't going to be. That's what would create a star trail where none was before.
When a star shot is "stacked" (using a program like RegiStax) the frames are offset in position (unless you have a tracking camera) so that all the star images (or trails) stack up exactly on top of each other. Some stars which enter or leave the frame after the initial shot may be excluded from the final composite image.
The key factor in evaluating whether a composite image is "legal" under DPC's Advanced Rules is that any single one of the contributing frames should be essentially identical in composition to the final composite, except for technical aspects such as tone range, DOF, or noise. If any single frame is compositionally different from the final composite it's not legal. Clearly, a swan appearng in only one of the source frames violates this part of the rule.
Star trails can be stacked to reduce noice, but not to enhance their length so as to give the effect of a longer exposure -- that would make it a different composition than any of the source frames. |
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12/11/2008 02:50:30 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by yanko:
If we were all forced to take a picture of a pencil at noon on a sunny day the only thing that would happen is we'd have a bunch of those ulgy artifact filled HDR skies resulting in poorly executed post processing (but voters love anyway) and a pencil stuck in the foreground probably as a silhouette or interacting with a kid's toy or for the arts and crafts crowd a colorful arrangement of pencils in the same patterns we've seen hundreds of times before. The more simple/colorful the entire composition is the better it would do so basically the same exact thing we get in every other challenge except a pencil is used instead of a woody or a person or whatever the challenge theme calls for. |
you should try it ;) |
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