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11/05/2008 11:21:07 PM · #1201 |
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11/05/2008 11:22:14 PM · #1202 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by Phil:
Winning an election is a great achievement; however, it hardly makes you a great leader. You only have to look a the current President for proof of that.
I'm excited. I'm hoping that Obama is the greatest ever. The one thing I am not is a sheep who automatically gives him a free pass just because he's replacing the schmuck we have in office now. I've seen brainwashed Republicans that thought Bush could do no wrong for the last eight years. I am not interested in seeing brainwashed Democrats do the same thing for Obama. |
Ok.. thats great. But at least give him a chance. Or would you rather stay in the cave and close your eyes to what is actually happening around you? |
Where did I say I wasn't giving him a chance?
When you call an unproven elect a great leader and refuse to compare 2 Black Panthers standing at a voting location with nightsticks in their hands to some redneck making idiotic racist comments it's pretty obvious as to who's in the cave. |
Ok lets say I am in the cave. But I refuse to stay there. I see light at the end.. and I want to walk to there and find out if it is better than today's dark.
Do you?
We dont need democrats or republicans in a crisis. Remember: the decisive votes this time were not democrats before.. since they voted for Bush before. They are not brain-washed.. they are aware...informed. |
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11/05/2008 11:24:58 PM · #1203 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by Phil:
Winning an election is a great achievement; however, it hardly makes you a great leader. You only have to look a the current President for proof of that.
I'm excited. I'm hoping that Obama is the greatest ever. The one thing I am not is a sheep who automatically gives him a free pass just because he's replacing the schmuck we have in office now. I've seen brainwashed Republicans that thought Bush could do no wrong for the last eight years. I am not interested in seeing brainwashed Democrats do the same thing for Obama. |
Ok.. thats great. But at least give him a chance. Or would you rather stay in the cave and close your eyes to what is actually happening around you?
ETA: And by the way, I never said that winning election alone is an achievement. Nobody could gather hearts so profoundly before.. certainly not Bush. Hell people laughed when he got elected. |
Prash, listen. I know it's exciting and wonderful and interesting and hopeful that Obama has won and history has been made and things have a chance to be on a really good path right now, but I've been following this thread, and you are really coming across as just as forceful and opinionated and stubborn as the people you are trying to fight against. You are taking almost everything someone that isn't a die-hard Obama fan says VERY personally, for no real reason.
Fight the good fight, but don't become the thing you're fighting against. |
Thank you. Re-reading my posts, I feel that too. May be I need to take a break. I just get agitated by illogical arguments and hurtful talking.
I heartily appreciate you reflecting on myself.
Time for a drink:-) |
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11/05/2008 11:37:42 PM · #1204 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Ok lets say I am in the cave. But I refuse to stay there. I see light at the end.. and I want to walk to there and find out if it is better than today's dark.
Do you?
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Uhhh, yeah. Which is why I said, "I'm excited. I'm hoping he's the best ever". But I am not too naive to think that there is no way that light at the end of the tunnel could be a train.
Originally posted by Prash:
I just get agitated by illogical arguments and hurtful talking.
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I don't understand how being skeptical of any politician is being illogical.
For the record, Harding won by taking over 400 electoral votes and 60% of the popular vote and he is considered by many to be one of the worst Presidents ever. |
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11/05/2008 11:38:09 PM · #1205 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Time for a drink:-) |
Don't worry, I've been going through the same thing. Being from Kentucky, I'm getting agitated by illegitimate arguments, too! I have family members actually upset with me for voting for Obama. Their arguments are insane. "His middle name is Hussein, that's enough for me" and " He's going to turn us into France", and "you're just voting for him because he's black". OMG!!!
Have a drink and let them chill out. Nothing we say will help right now.
I'm just concentrating on being relieved. |
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11/05/2008 11:43:47 PM · #1206 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Originally posted by Prash:
Time for a drink:-) |
Don't worry, I've been going through the same thing. Being from Kentucky, I'm getting agitated by illegitimate arguments, too! I have family members actually upset with me for voting for Obama. Their arguments are insane. "His middle name is Hussein, that's enough for me" and " He's going to turn us into France", and "you're just voting for him because he's black". OMG!!!
Have a drink and let them chill out. Nothing we say will help right now.
I'm just concentrating on being relieved. |
I hope you aren't lumping me in the same category as them. I have the same type of idiots in my family. I've told them many times that if they don't want to vote for Obama then do it based on his policies or ideas, not because his dad named him Barack Hussein. It's silly.
Message edited by author 2008-11-05 23:45:40. |
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11/05/2008 11:45:13 PM · #1207 |
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Message edited by author 2008-11-05 23:45:26. |
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11/05/2008 11:47:10 PM · #1208 |
Originally posted by Phil:
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I wasn't lumping you in to my response to Prash, for the record. Your posts have been quite succinct and non-inflammatory, IMO. |
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11/05/2008 11:56:50 PM · #1209 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Originally posted by Prash:
Time for a drink:-) |
Don't worry, I've been going through the same thing. Being from Kentucky, I'm getting agitated by illegitimate arguments, too! I have family members actually upset with me for voting for Obama. Their arguments are insane. "His middle name is Hussein, that's enough for me" and " He's going to turn us into France", and "you're just voting for him because he's black". OMG!!!
Have a drink and let them chill out. Nothing we say will help right now.
I'm just concentrating on being relieved. |
I hope you aren't lumping me in the same category as them. I have the same type of idiots in my family. I've told them many times that if they don't want to vote for Obama then do it based on his policies or ideas, not because his dad named him Barack Hussein. It's silly. |
oops, no. I wasn't lumping you :P. Just commenting on my frustrations of the day.
It is very silly... |
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11/05/2008 11:58:49 PM · #1210 |
There will always be people around like that. You can even find them in Toronto. ;oP (that's a joke)
... and anywhere.
You just have to ignore it though when it's family you're dealing with, it's harder.
Message edited by author 2008-11-05 23:59:42. |
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11/06/2008 12:39:20 AM · #1211 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Originally posted by Prash:
Time for a drink:-) |
Don't worry, I've been going through the same thing. Being from Kentucky, I'm getting agitated by illegitimate arguments, too! I have family members actually upset with me for voting for Obama. Their arguments are insane. "His middle name is Hussein, that's enough for me" and " He's going to turn us into France", and "you're just voting for him because he's black". OMG!!!
Have a drink and let them chill out. Nothing we say will help right now.
I'm just concentrating on being relieved. |
I hope you aren't lumping me in the same category as them. I have the same type of idiots in my family. I've told them many times that if they don't want to vote for Obama then do it based on his policies or ideas, not because his dad named him Barack Hussein. It's silly. |
I agree with what you just said about voting for someone because of their policies or ideas, and not for any other petty reason.
I apologise if my words came hard on you. |
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11/06/2008 12:40:34 AM · #1212 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Prash:
Ok lets say I am in the cave. But I refuse to stay there. I see light at the end.. and I want to walk to there and find out if it is better than today's dark.
Do you?
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Uhhh, yeah. Which is why I said, "I'm excited. I'm hoping he's the best ever". But I am not too naive to think that there is no way that light at the end of the tunnel could be a train.
Originally posted by Prash:
I just get agitated by illogical arguments and hurtful talking.
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I don't understand how being skeptical of any politician is being illogical.
For the record, Harding won by taking over 400 electoral votes and 60% of the popular vote and he is considered by many to be one of the worst Presidents ever. |
FWIW, I didnt mean 'you' when I was referring to illogical and hurtful talking. I was referring to the post I quoted with insulting addresses. |
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11/06/2008 06:38:55 AM · #1213 |
| It's all good dude. No worries. |
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11/06/2008 07:48:33 AM · #1214 |
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11/06/2008 08:15:25 AM · #1215 |
Originally posted by Prash:
ETA: I wonder where the stand up hummer crowd is now. Not that I miss baseless arguments... but this is the time to show the facts... rather.. the biggest fact of all: America has spoken... for hope and perseverence and against greed and bitterness. |
1. I thought that this might be considered baiting, but since you were not kept from posting, I'll feel confident to reply.
2. If you really want to know what the Hummer crowd is saying - then go visit their site. They are actually civily discussing the matter and are being respectful of one particular Jeep owner who sees it a bit differently - and have been reminded to not "pile on" as all views are considered.
3. Since the election results are in - lets ask ourselves who is happy?
a. The far left is happy.
b. The athiests are happy. (at least as represented by those posting here).
c. The gungrabbers are happy.
d. The enviornmental extremeists are happy.
e. The pro abortionists are happy.
f. Ayers is happy.
g. Khalidi is happy.
h. Chavez is happy.
i. Iran is happy.
j. Louis Farakhan is happy.
k. Al Sharpton is happy.
l. Jesse Jackson is so happy he cried.
4. These are facts. Now why are all these groups happy? Perhaps it is because they expect legislation to follow that supports thier agendas.
5. I find it a bit ironic that an associate of Ayers and Khalidi is now receiving the highest classified intel from the CIA. I fully expect that President Elect Obama will have an eye opening revelation. He will likely understand the real nature of the world at large and the enemies of the US. I await his leadership decisions on the world stage. I suspect that the campaign rehtoric will find a home on the shelf as we transitions into reality. I pray he doesn't do a Bill Clinton to the military and intelligence community. But suspect he likely might.
6. Obama and Pelosi have already begun preparing their supporters for a let down from the promises. Already Obama is being criticized by the Black Caucus for not asking a Black to be his chief of staff.
7. Rahm Emanuel has been asked to be the chief of staff. Obama promised to work across party lines and make this one UNITED States. He chose one of the most partisan Washington politicians as his chief of staff. A fellow Chicago POL as well. This is not an early indication of inclusion. But lets assess the rest of his selections as they come forward. He certainly has time to show us the true colors of his administration.
8. I found it very heartwarming to see the pride in which Colin Powell and Condelesa Rice spoke of this historic moment. I was also pleased by the graciousness of McCain's congratulations and President Bush's very sincere invitation to Barack and his family to visit the house that they will be living in - come January.
And yes - America has spoken. It is time to address the problems ahead. This is a tremendous opportunity for the Democrats to prove they represent all factions. If they can rise above and govern from the center, they may have a shot at staying in power a long time. If not, then the recent republican years, will be a repeated history lesson for them.
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11/06/2008 08:26:32 AM · #1216 |
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11/06/2008 08:58:19 AM · #1217 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Prash:
ETA: I wonder where the stand up hummer crowd is now. Not that I miss baseless arguments... but this is the time to show the facts... rather.. the biggest fact of all: America has spoken... for hope and perseverence and against greed and bitterness. |
1. I thought that this might be considered baiting, but since you were not kept from posting, I'll feel confident to reply.
2. If you really want to know what the Hummer crowd is saying - then go visit their site. They are actually civily discussing the matter and are being respectful of one particular Jeep owner who sees it a bit differently - and have been reminded to not "pile on" as all views are considered.
3. Since the election results are in - lets ask ourselves who is happy?
a. The far left is happy.
b. The athiests are happy. (at least as represented by those posting here).
c. The gungrabbers are happy.
d. The enviornmental extremeists are happy.
e. The pro abortionists are happy.
f. Ayers is happy.
g. Khalidi is happy.
h. Chavez is happy.
i. Iran is happy.
j. Louis Farakhan is happy.
k. Al Sharpton is happy.
l. Jesse Jackson is so happy he cried.
4. These are facts. Now why are all these groups happy? Perhaps it is because they expect legislation to follow that supports thier agendas.
5. I find it a bit ironic that an associate of Ayers and Khalidi is now receiving the highest classified intel from the CIA. I fully expect that President Elect Obama will have an eye opening revelation. He will likely understand the real nature of the world at large and the enemies of the US. I await his leadership decisions on the world stage. I suspect that the campaign rehtoric will find a home on the shelf as we transitions into reality. I pray he doesn't do a Bill Clinton to the military and intelligence community. But suspect he likely might.
6. Obama and Pelosi have already begun preparing their supporters for a let down from the promises. Already Obama is being criticized by the Black Caucus for not asking a Black to be his chief of staff.
7. Rahm Emanuel has been asked to be the chief of staff. Obama promised to work across party lines and make this one UNITED States. He chose one of the most partisan Washington politicians as his chief of staff. A fellow Chicago POL as well. This is not an early indication of inclusion. But lets assess the rest of his selections as they come forward. He certainly has time to show us the true colors of his administration.
8. I found it very heartwarming to see the pride in which Colin Powell and Condelesa Rice spoke of this historic moment. I was also pleased by the graciousness of McCain's congratulations and President Bush's very sincere invitation to Barack and his family to visit the house that they will be living in - come January.
And yes - America has spoken. It is time to address the problems ahead. This is a tremendous opportunity for the Democrats to prove they represent all factions. If they can rise above and govern from the center, they may have a shot at staying in power a long time. If not, then the recent republican years, will be a repeated history lesson for them. |
I'm sure anyone here can come up with a list of who is happy that Obama won the election that aren't extremists or political bafoons. All of Canada is happy too, does that make us terrorists? Un-American? Extremists? Gay? Freethinkers? Abortionists!
Accept what your system gave you and your next four years will be less stressful. What will happen to your negativity if Obama actually solves your country's problems? Let me guess, you'll find something else to call him out on?
I can't believe all the crap I'm reading, not only here, but on all major news sites from the comment sections. It makes me laugh to see redneck racists try to justify why an African American was elected. LOL (that last comment wasn't directed at you Flash) |
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11/06/2008 09:01:14 AM · #1218 |
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11/06/2008 09:25:04 AM · #1219 |
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11/06/2008 09:26:23 AM · #1220 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I'm sure anyone here can come up with a list of who is happy that Obama won the election that aren't extremists or political bafoons. All of Canada is happy too, does that make us terrorists? Un-American? Extremists? Gay? Freethinkers? Abortionists! |
1. At least you didn't demand source links for the facts of who I listed.
2. Of course you can post associations that are happy that are not associated with extremes - but that wasn't my point.
3. My point was that those listed are expecting something - thus Obama either must give them what they expect (which will only prove the pre-election concerns of those that opposed him), or risk alienating a key support base.
4. He has a tightrope to walk, one that is already showing discontent amongst the Black caucus.
5. He will assuredly give them something, likely something they need or want badly, but my further point is that when a charismatic person begins promising and telling you what you want to hear, then the responsibility is on you to parse their words to ensure that you are clear on what they are actually promising. That has been my contention all along. Obama is a skilled orator and if we learned nothing else from another skilled orator Bill Clinton, we learned that what we hear and what they mean can be quite different. I simply am not convinced that the many many Obama supporters heard all the nuances of his words, instead choosing to believe what they wanted to hear. Something that "believers" get roundly criticized here for doing. |
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11/06/2008 09:35:08 AM · #1221 |
Originally posted by Flash:
2. Of course you can post associations that are happy that are not associated with extremes - but that wasn't my point. |
The same could be said of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Keating, Bush, Cheney, white supremacists, and Al Qaeda supporting McCain... all expecting something. Compare the list of people you claim are happy with Obama's election to this image or maybe this one. Methinks you need to add a few more groups to that list.... starting with white, middle class Christians. ;-)
Maybe there's hope for people after all!
Message edited by author 2008-11-06 09:54:16. |
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11/06/2008 09:54:13 AM · #1222 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Flash:
2. Of course you can post associations that are happy that are not associated with extremes - but that wasn't my point. |
The same could be said of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Keating, Bush, Cheney, white supremacists, and Al Qaeda supporting McCain... all expecting something. |
You could say that - but McCain is not the president elect. If memory serves me, many here have posted associations, accusations, and very spiteful claims against our current president without your intervention of "fairness". |
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11/06/2008 09:55:41 AM · #1223 |
Originally posted by Flash:
You could say that - but McCain is not the president elect. If memory serves me, many here have posted associations, accusations, and very spiteful claims against our current president without your intervention of "fairness". |
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11/06/2008 10:15:32 AM · #1224 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Flash:
You could say that - but McCain is not the president elect. If memory serves me, many here have posted associations, accusations, and very spiteful claims against our current president without your intervention of "fairness". |
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Well, I had earnestly believed that my grasp of the english language would meet my needs, but I guess not... can someone help me decipher the meaning of the last message by Flash?
Ray |
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11/06/2008 10:18:31 AM · #1225 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Flash:
You could say that - but McCain is not the president elect. If memory serves me, many here have posted associations, accusations, and very spiteful claims against our current president without your intervention of "fairness". |
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Well, I had earnestly believed that my grasp of the english language would meet my needs, but I guess not... can someone help me decipher the meaning of the last message by Flash?
Ray |
He's saying Bush has been criticized endlessly by anti-Bush people without anyone protecting Bush like he perceives everyone here as protecting Obama from his version of like criticisms.
Although I guess that still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Message edited by author 2008-11-06 10:18:51. |
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