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10/26/2008 02:18:39 PM · #351 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Very interesting and funny.
Here |
Carp. The Canadian website that runs Daily Show no longer has September 3rd episodes online. Once again, denied! |
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10/26/2008 06:04:28 PM · #352 |
Originally posted by Jac:
So let's shut down the internet and keep our kids in cages until we've brainwashed them into thinking that religion is the only way and that sex, porn, instinctual attraction, is all the devil's work and should be shunned and frowned upon.
There's nothing bad out there dp, it's your interpretations that make them bad. You always come in here with your condescending views about how our world is so messed up but offer no solutions except to blame parents, schools, the government and anyone who is not religious for the alleged problems kids are having.
Sarah Palin has been a great role model for her kids..
So then why is her teenage daughter pregnant? Oh wait, she got pregnant from the internet... |
There's nothing bad out there.... did you really say that? are you serious? I wasn't condescending before but I'm afraid I'll have to be now... Are you blind?
I never brought religion into this discussion and I would, frankly, like to keep it out as we have already been down that road too many times. I do not wish to subject myself to you or anyone else's faith-less views of religion. It is fruitless to even discuss the topic. Values do not have to be driven by religion as many have pointed out and I think there are many values that we can all agree upon.
If you think we should be letting our children watch porn because you apparently think it gives a healthy view of sexuality or 'instinctual attraction' then you are sick. I suppose we should also supply our children with crack cocaine and molest them so that they to can become part of the porn industry and/or whores and whoremongers. If you don't think there are bad things out there then you have a screw loose. Would you really want your daughter at 18 years of age to become a porn whore? If you wouldn't mind then there is seriously something wrong with you.
Some people have never been taught that having sex with just anybody is not right... of course I'm sure you feel that is just fine as long as they use a condom. Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
Also I think that I advocated personal responsibility but that does not stop our society at large from providing all of the bad examples one could ever want and most of them can be seen on TV and the internet. The medium is not necessarily bad but how some people use the medium in the name of 'entertainment' is not helpful. Temptation to do the wrong thing is everywhere and all I can do is to set a good example for my children and talk to them and explain right from wrong. It doesn't always work. They sometimes still end up doing what is wrong but at least they know it is wrong.
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10/26/2008 07:14:29 PM · #353 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by citymars:
"... Andy, Henry and I love America."
Really fun clip of director Ron Howard and friends explaining why they will vote for Obama. |
Wow, that was trippy. Hearing Andy Griffith utter "butterfly ballott" is weird. Funny to see those fellows in their old roles. Thanks. |
This is a wonderful example of intelligent people making the wrong decision. Boy, you would think that all intelligent people would think like me. Showmanship obviously counts for more than experience to a lot of Americans. |
I agree with your last statement. Unfortunately, showmanship does indeed count for more than experience or even intelligence to a significant number of Americans. The proof is George W. Bush. His experience before becoming president was abysmal to put it nicely and his opponent in 2000 had WAY more experience than G.W. had (and I'd argue Gore is far more intelligent also, but that's not easily proven).
Two things made people vote G.W. into office. 1) He's a likable guy who had more showmanship than Gore. 2) He used the trump card of born-again Christianity to convince a significant part of the population that nothing on his life long list of previous irresponsible actions should be counted against him.
So, yes, showmanship counts more than experience or intelligence to too many Americans. At least this time Obama has plenty of intelligence to accompany his showmanship. |
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10/26/2008 07:18:54 PM · #354 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
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10/26/2008 07:34:08 PM · #355 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
If you think we should be letting our children watch porn because you apparently think it gives a healthy view of sexuality or 'instinctual attraction' then you are sick. I suppose we should also supply our children with crack cocaine and molest them so that they to can become part of the porn industry and/or whores and whoremongers. |
Shoot me, NOW! |
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10/26/2008 08:07:30 PM · #356 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
Spaz, that is such a four-year-old understanding of religion... |
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10/26/2008 08:13:28 PM · #357 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
Spaz, that is such a four-year-old understanding of religion... |
That's been my experience and pretty much that of most people I know who were raised in devout families in regard to sex education. The church puts a bunch of lipstick on their message, but that's it in a nutshell. |
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10/26/2008 08:16:20 PM · #358 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
I have made my want to keep religion out of this known but to some that is not possible. If you knew anything about the TRUTH contained in the Bible then you would know that God gave us sexuality as gift. It is not dirty or sinful when it is used to the glory of God in a loving committed relationship known as marriage between a man and a woman. Have you ever read the Song of Solomon? Yes, indiscriminate sex with strangers is not in God's view a healthy thing for people. Yes, sex for profit is 'dirty' and wrong. Yes, sex with animals is against God's design... I'm sure that's allright in your book though as long as the animal isn't harmed. Yes sex can be dirty and wrong when sexuality is misused and abused. I don't expect you to 'get it' either because you are an ungodly person and have no reverence for the act of sex. It, to you, is simply a way to get a nut, among many others i'm sure. You show me a girl who will screw just about anybody and I'll show you a girl who has no respect for herself and her body. Women are not and should not act or be treated as if their bodies were carnival rides where anyone with a ticket can get on. It's disgusting, unhealthy, and dangerous even with a condom.
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10/26/2008 08:25:53 PM · #359 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Some people have never been taught that having sex with just anybody is not right... |
Apparently the message was not adequately commuicated in the Palin household. |
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10/26/2008 08:26:47 PM · #360 |
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10/26/2008 08:34:48 PM · #361 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Some people have never been taught that having sex with just anybody is not right... |
Apparently the message was not adequately commuicated in the Palin household. |
Well at least we're talking about something related to politics again...
She may have been.. I don't know that she was having sex with a bunch of different guys. We don't know for sure if it was the first time she had sex or the 100th. In any case the girl obviously made a bad decision to have sex and then another in not protecting herself from becoming pregnant. I don't think we can blame that necessarily on the parent or parents. It is a possibility that more could have been done but bottom line it is the girl who is responsible for her own actions.
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10/26/2008 08:35:44 PM · #362 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I'm nude. |
Teaching your daughter about sex?? |
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10/26/2008 08:57:54 PM · #363 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
I have made my want to keep religion out of this known but to some that is not possible. If you knew anything about the TRUTH contained in the Bible then you would know that God gave us sexuality as gift. It is not dirty or sinful when it is used to the glory of God in a loving committed relationship known as marriage between a man and a woman. Have you ever read the Song of Solomon? Yes, indiscriminate sex with strangers is not in God's view a healthy thing for people. Yes, sex for profit is 'dirty' and wrong. Yes, sex with animals is against God's design... I'm sure that's allright in your book though as long as the animal isn't harmed. Yes sex can be dirty and wrong when sexuality is misused and abused. I don't expect you to 'get it' either because you are an ungodly person and have no reverence for the act of sex. It, to you, is simply a way to get a nut, among many others i'm sure. You show me a girl who will screw just about anybody and I'll show you a girl who has no respect for herself and her body. Women are not and should not act or be treated as if their bodies were carnival rides where anyone with a ticket can get on. It's disgusting, unhealthy, and dangerous even with a condom. |
I know enough about the "truth", as you call it, in the bible to know that it's anything but.
I also know how sex, of any type, is "discussed" with children in such settings. It's portrayed as dirty as is sexulity and their sexual organs. They learn to associate shame and disgust with those things, which becomes self-loathing. Yeah, makes one want to bust out with a big "Praise Jesus" just thinking about all the kids F'ed up and now in therapy because of that sort of thing. |
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10/26/2008 09:01:12 PM · #364 |
| You may not want to discuss religion, but your unhealthy effusiveness fairly shrieks religiosity in every word. Even your archaic language -- "whore", "whoremonger" -- is groaning under the weight of your faith, to say nothing of your archaic attitudes toward women as nothing more than potential carnival rides. The edges of your attitude are tainted with the notion that when they enjoy sex, they are "whores" of biblical proportions. And then the salacious remarks masquerading as jokes.... shudder.... |
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10/26/2008 09:05:01 PM · #365 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Newsflash..The girls to whom sex is like a handshake are not the girls who have a high self esteem or feel good about themselves. That is bad... get it?
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As opposed to teaching girls (and boys) that sex is "dirty" and "sinful" and making themselves ashamed of their bodies.
That is bad. That is what religion teaches. Get it?
Oh yeah, you're wrong about girls who like sex.
I don't expect you to "get it" though. |
I have made my want to keep religion out of this known but to some that is not possible. If you knew anything about the TRUTH contained in the Bible then you would know that God gave us sexuality as gift. It is not dirty or sinful when it is used to the glory of God in a loving committed relationship known as marriage between a man and a woman. Have you ever read the Song of Solomon? Yes, indiscriminate sex with strangers is not in God's view a healthy thing for people. Yes, sex for profit is 'dirty' and wrong. Yes, sex with animals is against God's design... I'm sure that's allright in your book though as long as the animal isn't harmed. Yes sex can be dirty and wrong when sexuality is misused and abused. I don't expect you to 'get it' either because you are an ungodly person and have no reverence for the act of sex. It, to you, is simply a way to get a nut, among many others i'm sure. You show me a girl who will screw just about anybody and I'll show you a girl who has no respect for herself and her body. Women are not and should not act or be treated as if their bodies were carnival rides where anyone with a ticket can get on. It's disgusting, unhealthy, and dangerous even with a condom. |
I know enough about the "truth", as you call it, in the bible to know that it's anything but.
I also know how sex, of any type, is "discussed" with children in such settings. It's portrayed as dirty as is sexulity and their sexual organs. They learn to associate shame and disgust with those things, which becomes self-loathing. Yeah, makes one want to bust out with a big "Praise Jesus" just thinking about all the kids F'ed up and now in therapy because of that sort of thing. |
Maybe in the church you attended they did not teach what the Bible teaches about sexuality. Maybe some people who are self described Christians just don't get it. It does not change the truth of God's gift of sexuality. My children are not taught that sex is dirty and shameful and wrong. I can only speak to the truth that I teach my children and not someone else's twisting of the truth that apparently was taught to you. |
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10/26/2008 09:22:54 PM · #366 |
Originally posted by Louis:
You may not want to discuss religion, but your unhealthy effusiveness fairly shrieks religiosity in every word. Even your archaic language -- "whore", "whoremonger" -- is groaning under the weight of your faith, to say nothing of your archaic attitudes toward women as nothing more than potential carnival rides. The edges of your attitude are tainted with the notion that when they enjoy sex, they are "whores" of biblical proportions. And then the salacious remarks masquerading as jokes.... shudder.... |
Louis, you can try to paint me anyway you want but I know who I am. If we do not share the same values then we do not. I did not call anyone out as having ungodly attitudes or values until I was attacked for the mere fact that I am a Christian.
Is it your contention that the word 'whore' is not a common word in english usage today?
If you want to attribute my values to religion then you would be right, but I was not discussing the reason for my values. The topic of religion was brought up because of the general dislike for my beliefs and not as a rational argument to refute my values as entities in themselves. There are plenty of non-religious folks who are not in favor of pornography, indiscriminate sex, and the like. I do not, as you state, think of women as a carnival ride but there are many men who do sadly and a lot of them get that attitude because of porn and how they see women treated in that venue. In regards to women who enjoy sex.. I say that is great. Sex should be enjoyed... with a committed partner of the opposite sex. That is what I believe to be the healthiest and most fulfilling use of sexuality, and yes I believe that is what God intended but it would be true nonetheless in the absence of God.
I agree the 'joke' was maybe a little over the top... the devil made me do it. |
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10/26/2008 09:51:52 PM · #367 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
... the devil made me do it. |
If you are an admitted tool of the Devil, why should be take any stock any anything you say? |
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10/26/2008 10:35:29 PM · #368 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
That is what I believe to be the healthiest and most fulfilling use of sexuality, and yes I believe that is what God intended but it would be true nonetheless in the absence of God. |
I am lost... that is what god intended but would be true even in the absence of god...
How does that work?
Ray |
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10/26/2008 11:05:54 PM · #369 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
That is what I believe to be the healthiest and most fulfilling use of sexuality, and yes I believe that is what God intended but it would be true nonetheless in the absence of God. |
I am lost... that is what god intended but would be true even in the absence of god...
How does that work?
Ray |
I believed that even when I was an atheist... didn't always adhere to it but thats another matter altogether. Therefore that value as it pertains to me is not God dependent, just God approved. |
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10/26/2008 11:09:47 PM · #370 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
... the devil made me do it. |
If you are an admitted tool of the Devil, why should be take any stock any anything you say? |
Allright, it wasn't the devil... it was my own warped sense of cutting edge humor... and also because you don't believe in the devil. I suppose now you will say.. then you are a liar.. why should we put any stock in what you say?? |
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10/26/2008 11:26:05 PM · #371 |
How did we get from Election '08 to listening to the arcane ravings of this guy?
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10/26/2008 11:43:59 PM · #372 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
How did we get from Election '08 to listening to the arcane ravings of this guy? |
Boy Mr. Jeb your the last person I would expect to attack me. Here I thought we were on good terms overall.. now I'm just 'this guy' with my 'arcane ravings'. I feel rather insulted.
edit to add: we got here from a starting point of your attack on Mrs. Palin.
Message edited by author 2008-10-26 23:47:52. |
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10/26/2008 11:58:54 PM · #373 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
How did we get from Election '08 to listening to the arcane ravings of this guy? |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Boy Mr. Jeb your the last person I would expect to attack me. Here I thought we were on good terms overall.. now I'm just 'this guy' with my 'arcane ravings'. I feel rather insulted.
edit to add: we got here from a starting point of your attack on Mrs. Palin. |
Dude, you've really been kinda off the deep end in the last few posts going back and forth between your beliefs, and then taking shots in a manner that sound like you're making fun of them, i.e. your "Devil made me do it" comment.
And then you say that's cutting edge humor.
It wasn't an attack, merely an observation.......and some of where you go with your views on women are absolutely, unequivocally arcane.
Strictly my opinion, but.....
And if stating some glaringly obvious facts on Palin is an attack, well yeah.....guilty as charged.
But I want nothing to do with her values whatsoever.......if my kid's school hired her tomorrow to teach ethics and values to my kid, I'd yank my kid out of that school so fast it isn't even funny.
We just aren't going to agree here, methinks.
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10/27/2008 01:04:12 AM · #374 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It wasn't an attack, merely an observation.......and some of where you go with your views on women are absolutely, unequivocally arcane.
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I think the term you're looking for is "archaic". Not that the use of "arcane" here isn't amusing. |
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10/27/2008 05:53:53 AM · #375 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It wasn't an attack, merely an observation.......and some of where you go with your views on women are absolutely, unequivocally arcane.
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Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I think the term you're looking for is "archaic". Not that the use of "arcane" here isn't amusing. |
arcane-Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahr-keyn]
–adjective known or understood by very few; mysterious; secret; obscure; esoteric: She knew a lot about Sanskrit grammar and other arcane matters.
Personally, I *DO* feel that the type of opinions the man has expressed about women ARE mysterious, obscure, esoteric........and I hope they become more so as the male of the species continues to pull his head out of......the sand and realize what an amazing, resourceful, intelligent, and powerful individual a woman is.
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