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10/24/2008 09:15:43 AM · #276 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Who really cares what John McCain did with opportunities he had 50 years ago. |
Palin certainly cares about what Obama did 45 years ago, are you saying she shouldn't and that the repubs are wrong in doing so with Obama's past?
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10/24/2008 09:22:07 AM · #277 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Who really cares what John McCain did with opportunities he had 50 years ago. |
Originally posted by Jac:
Palin certainly cares about what Obama did 45 years ago, are you saying she shouldn't and that the repubs are wrong in doing so with Obama's past? |
Ah, yes.......Palin.
The family values woman who has a 17 year old, unwed, pregnant daughter. |
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10/24/2008 09:23:40 AM · #278 |
| May you one day be so richly blessed. |
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10/24/2008 09:25:19 AM · #279 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
If he hadn't been killed in captivity, he probably would have received a dishonorable discharge. |
Pretty sure he wasn't killed in captivity, since he's currently running for office, but perhaps he's a vampire?? :-) (Not involved in this whole discussion - just thought that was kinda funny when I read it.) |
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10/24/2008 09:28:19 AM · #280 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
 dponlyme, doesn't it bother you in any small measure that the man you want to vote for would absolutely, positively not be where he is today without his father and grandfathers' name? He would never have been admitted to the naval academy. He would not have even made it out of the military. If he hadn't been killed in captivity, he probably would have received a dishonorable discharge. He would be a nobody, maybe even a "John the plumber" without his family connections. He has no accomplishments that were not made without the help of his family name. He keeps saying he's not Bush, but he could be Bush. |
I don't fault the man for taking advantage or 'grabbing' opportunities as a result of his families connections. Who wouldn't?. Have you forgotten that it is voters who put him in office and voters who place him in his current position. No one forced them to vote for him. |
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10/24/2008 09:31:51 AM · #281 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Who really cares what John McCain did with opportunities he had 50 years ago. |
Originally posted by Jac:
Palin certainly cares about what Obama did 45 years ago, are you saying she shouldn't and that the repubs are wrong in doing so with Obama's past? |
Ah, yes.......Palin.
The family values woman who has a 17 year old, unwed, pregnant daughter. |
I think 45 years ago Obama was sucking his pacifier.. not sure of his exact age.
As far as Palin goes, I'm not a big fan but imo that was a cheap shot. |
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10/24/2008 09:34:51 AM · #282 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Who really cares what John McCain did with opportunities he had 50 years ago. |
Originally posted by Jac:
Palin certainly cares about what Obama did 45 years ago, are you saying she shouldn't and that the repubs are wrong in doing so with Obama's past? |
Ah, yes.......Palin.
The family values woman who has a 17 year old, unwed, pregnant daughter. |
I think 45 years ago Obama was sucking his pacifier.. not sure of his exact age.
As far as Palin goes, I'm not a big fan but imo that was a cheap shot. |
Then you'll love this: Palin as President |
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10/24/2008 09:41:13 AM · #283 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by Kelli:
If he hadn't been killed in captivity, he probably would have received a dishonorable discharge. |
Pretty sure he wasn't killed in captivity, since he's currently running for office, but perhaps he's a vampire?? :-) (Not involved in this whole discussion - just thought that was kinda funny when I read it.) |
ROFL! What I meant was, if not for his family connections he wouldn't have received medical attention and therefore would probably just be another statistic from that war now. Nice catch Deb! |
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10/24/2008 09:51:20 AM · #284 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Palin certainly cares about what Obama did 45 years ago, are you saying she shouldn't and that the repubs are wrong in doing so with Obama's past? |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ah, yes.......Palin.
The family values woman who has a 17 year old, unwed, pregnant daughter. |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
As far as Palin goes, I'm not a big fan but imo that was a cheap shot. |
It was absolutely a shot, but how do you figure a cheap shot?
Seems like pretty basic stuff for a parent these days.
My 13 year old is smarter than that.......she knows not to trust some hormonal boy to be responsible for HER body, and though she's certainmly not active, she's got enough sense to look out for herself.
She's smart enough to know that that's the SECOND biggest risk of unprotected sex.....the first is a death sentence from various STDs.
Those are the hard facts that she already knows.......what she knows from OUR family values is that she's a good kid, who we trust and have faith in, so consequently she doesn't have to validate herself by who she's dating and succumb to the peer pressure, or worse, the pressure from a boyfriend to do something she doesn't want to do.
So do I want anything to do with this woman who then tries to rationalze her situation by stating that the boy's going to marry her?
Oh sure.......THAT'S the answer!
No......I don't have much use for Sarah Palin for many reasons......believe it or not, the FIRST reason in my book is that she will set women's rights back a good century.
We have enough trouble with gender issues without her. |
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10/24/2008 10:02:23 AM · #285 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
To have a bastard child?
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10/24/2008 10:10:57 AM · #286 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
To have a bastard child? |
No, a nice shotgun wedding.
Oh wait... |
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10/24/2008 10:34:36 AM · #287 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
To have a bastard child? |
No, a nice shotgun wedding.
Oh wait... |
It must be from an airplane though! |
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10/24/2008 10:36:56 AM · #288 |
"the Arizona Republican has tried to portray Obama as an extreme liberal who would soak job-creating businesses and wealthier Americans in order to dole out money to those too poor to pay taxes."
The problem is, allowing the rich to get richer HASN'T led to job creation and a better life for most-
"the deeper problem faced by the McCain campaign is that the American dream has not led to rising incomes for the average worker during the Bush years. According to Jared Bernstein, of the Economic Policy Institute, real family incomes did not rise for the median household during the economic recovery that began in 2001 - the first time this has happened. He points to the lack of jobs created during the recovery, and rising inequality of incomes as the key explanations for this trend."
Something like 85-90% of the wealth of this country is concentrated in the top 20%, most of that in the top 5%, and about a third of all wealth in the top 1%ΓΆ€“ a disparity that has grown in the past 8 years. Taxation isn't so much an issue of wealth redistribution at this point as it is a practical matter: the country is in a huge hole and the money has to come from somewhere. The middle-lower classes simply don't have it to give, which the rich have become richer on the backs of the very policies that grown that debt. It's time to pay the piper.
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10/24/2008 10:38:34 AM · #289 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
... blessed with what... a 17 year old...an unwed 17 year old... or a pregnant daughter... or all three.
Choices, choices, choices.
Seriously David, you must be a Republican... I can just imagine what drivel you would spew if this was the child of a Democrat.
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10/24/2008 10:38:46 AM · #290 |
| And lest we forget the $150,000 in clothes over the past 5 weeks. That really says "Middle Class Hockey Mom" to me. I remember the grief John Edwards took for his $400 hair cut 4 years ago. |
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10/24/2008 10:45:35 AM · #291 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
And lest we forget the $150,000 in clothes over the past 5 weeks. That really says "Middle Class Hockey Mom" to me. |
For reference, during the 2007-2008 season, the average NHL hockey player earned $140,385 over the course of 5 weeks. |
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10/24/2008 10:51:13 AM · #292 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
And lest we forget the $150,000 in clothes over the past 5 weeks. That really says "Middle Class Hockey Mom" to me. |
For reference, during the 2007-2008 season, the average NHL hockey player earned $140,385 over the course of 5 weeks. |
The thing is, she's trying to tell the middle class that she's just like them. All of these highly paid sports figures are in thier own world and are not trying to suck up to the average American.
ETA: Sorry  Scalvert, I answered too quickly without realizing where you were going with that.
Message edited by author 2008-10-24 10:55:34. |
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10/24/2008 11:19:26 AM · #293 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
That was the original point. Why is it so hard to simply recognize this as a fact? |
It is your opinion, not fact, that is why. |-} |
I know.... I was just having a little fun with you guys. |
Well yea we dont need another president who will have a lil more 'fun' with the country and the rest of the world. This is not South Park.. this is serious business. |
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10/24/2008 11:22:13 AM · #294 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Kelli:
dponlyme, doesn't it bother you in any small measure that the man you want to vote for would absolutely, positively not be where he is today without his father and grandfathers' name? He would never have been admitted to the naval academy. He would not have even made it out of the military. If he hadn't been killed in captivity, he probably would have received a dishonorable discharge. He would be a nobody, maybe even a "John the plumber" without his family connections. He has no accomplishments that were not made without the help of his family name. He keeps saying he's not Bush, but he could be Bush. |
I don't fault the man for taking advantage or 'grabbing' opportunities as a result of his families connections. Who wouldn't?. Have you forgotten that it is voters who put him in office and voters who place him in his current position. No one forced them to vote for him. |
Yeah.. the 'sheep' voters who have a thick glass of prejudice for their party and narrow minded values. |
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10/24/2008 11:25:00 AM · #295 |
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
-Julius Henry Marx |
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10/24/2008 11:27:14 AM · #296 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
... blessed with what... a 17 year old...an unwed 17 year old... or a pregnant daughter... or all three.
Choices, choices, choices.
Seriously David, you must be a Republican... I can just imagine what drivel you would spew if this was the child of a Democrat.
Ray |
What about the other guy's statement? Are you comfortable with that?
In years past I was Republican. Now I am Independant, a capitalist and wish we could throw all the bums out. We need to shrink out government to about five percent of what it is and elect leaders who will protect American industry, support our independance and protect our borders while staying out of other countries affairs. If other peoples want freedom they must earn it for themselves.
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10/24/2008 11:29:19 AM · #297 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Originally posted by Kelli:
dponlyme, doesn't it bother you in any small measure that the man you want to vote for would absolutely, positively not be where he is today without his father and grandfathers' name? He would never have been admitted to the naval academy. He would not have even made it out of the military. If he hadn't been killed in captivity, he probably would have received a dishonorable discharge. He would be a nobody, maybe even a "John the plumber" without his family connections. He has no accomplishments that were not made without the help of his family name. He keeps saying he's not Bush, but he could be Bush. |
I don't fault the man for taking advantage or 'grabbing' opportunities as a result of his families connections.
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Dude..the point is: HE DIDNT. Dont you get that? If he DID, he would be a great lawyer or economist or someone I would look upto for learning things from. He wasted his opportunities and lived at the same level his family always did while Obama ROSE from the middle class framework and is still rising.
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10/24/2008 11:30:26 AM · #298 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
... blessed with what... a 17 year old...an unwed 17 year old... or a pregnant daughter... or all three.
Choices, choices, choices.
Seriously David, you must be a Republican... I can just imagine what drivel you would spew if this was the child of a Democrat.
Ray |
If other peoples want freedom they must earn it for themselves. |
Very well said. Amen! |
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10/24/2008 11:36:40 AM · #299 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
"the Arizona Republican has tried to portray Obama as an extreme liberal who would soak job-creating businesses and wealthier Americans in order to dole out money to those too poor to pay taxes."
The problem is, allowing the rich to get richer HASN'T led to job creation and a better life for most-
"the deeper problem faced by the McCain campaign is that the American dream has not led to rising incomes for the average worker during the Bush years. According to Jared Bernstein, of the Economic Policy Institute, real family incomes did not rise for the median household during the economic recovery that began in 2001 - the first time this has happened. He points to the lack of jobs created during the recovery, and rising inequality of incomes as the key explanations for this trend."
Something like 85-90% of the wealth of this country is concentrated in the top 20%, most of that in the top 5%, and about a third of all wealth in the top 1%ΓΆ€“ a disparity that has grown in the past 8 years. Taxation isn't so much an issue of wealth redistribution at this point as it is a practical matter: the country is in a huge hole and the money has to come from somewhere. The middle-lower classes simply don't have it to give, which the rich have become richer on the backs of the very policies that grown that debt. It's time to pay the piper. |
Let me ask you this dponlyme... and you dont have to answer.. just think of the answer. Do you lie in the top 20% of the wealthy bracket?
If you do agree, each and every statement you put here would justify itself in a second, and I would then agree with you that it is not necessary to be intelligent to become wealthy (not President). Is that the point you are trying to make? That not having been to a good school doesnt come as a handicap to becoming wealthy? That I would agree wih you on. Hell I have seen many dumb (yet street smart) opportunists who happened to be there at the right place at the time and made it big without an Ivy league degree.
If you dont agree, you really need to think again.. away from DPC.. on what it is that you are supporting. |
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10/24/2008 11:37:53 AM · #300 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
May you one day be so richly blessed. |
... blessed with what... a 17 year old...an unwed 17 year old... or a pregnant daughter... or all three.
Choices, choices, choices.
Seriously David, you must be a Republican... I can just imagine what drivel you would spew if this was the child of a Democrat.
Ray |
What about the other guy's statement? Are you comfortable with that?
In years past I was Republican. Now I am Independant, a capitalist and wish we could throw all the bums out. We need to shrink out government to about five percent of what it is and elect leaders who will protect American industry, support our independance and protect our borders while staying out of other countries affairs. If other peoples want freedom they must earn it for themselves. |
MMMM yeah. Isolationism. That's worked so well in the past. |
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