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04/02/2008 10:56:16 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by icu1965:
Originally posted by bradshaw:
this monk burned himself alive to protest war. The buggy in the background is his and is still there to this day as a monument to him. This is one of the most intense and memorable images in the world hands down. I forget the name of the photographer. |
Malcom Browne is the photographer and it's a great photo, that also puts a knot in my stomach. |
Thank you, I should have known that my grade 12 photography teacher is shaking his head right now (not really just if he was here he would be...). |
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04/02/2008 11:01:56 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Anyone notice a trend with all the black and whites? Is it just that nothing really shocks us anymore, so all the photos are pre-colour? Or is it that black and white conveys more emotion? Or is it that in newspapers photographs were published in B&W so that is how we've come to remember them over time? |
Good observation! I'm drawing a blank at any world changing photos that happened recently. Although someone did post the earth rising photo, that's in colour. One thing to think about is when most of these b&w photos were taken, there weren't a lot of televisions around, photos were easier to take and share what was going on.
eta: just thought a pic of the WTC would be a good one!
Message edited by author 2008-04-02 23:03:25. |
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04/02/2008 11:03:43 PM · #28 |
Kind of a colour one but still pretty monotone
The Falling Man
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04/02/2008 11:07:02 PM · #29 |
| Hmmm, how did these photos change the world? What did they change? |
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04/02/2008 11:13:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by gjumi:
Hmmm, how did these photos change the world? What did they change? |
In most cases, they helped to bring the harsh reality of a very nasty situation to a worldwide audience, at least contributing to significant changes. As I mentioned, the creation of Israel was one result of the photos documenting the extent of the Holocaust.
Here's another one. Without these images, no one would ever have known the extent of the depravity of what was going on in the Abu Ghraib prison. I think there's little doubt a lot of people's opinions changed as a result of this set.
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04/02/2008 11:17:47 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by gjumi:
Hmmm, how did these photos change the world? What did they change? |
I think most of these photos changed the world by making people more aware. The pictures of the holocaust are disturbing and yet, to this day, there are people out there that say the Jews made it all up! The picture of the earth rising changed the world, it put it in colour and proved, for the most part, that it's round (even though there are still people who don't believe that!) The worlds first photo changed the world in numerous ways.
Maybe we should be posting pics like this worldchanging??
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04/02/2008 11:21:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Earthrise
R.
That's weird, the link changed itself from the image to its title, so I gave a link to the full URL...
... and permission is denied... so it goes...
Try this one:
earthrise |
Here's earthrise, one of my favorites, along with the Pale Blue Dot taken from Voyager 1, 4 billion miles away. Much thanks goes to Carl Sagan for advocating that it was worth taking the risk of turing that craft around as it went beyond the outer planets of the solar system to get this shot Earth as just a few bluish pixels.
Earthrise: Pale Blue Dot:
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04/02/2008 11:29:47 PM · #33 |
| I went to an exhibit of 60 years worth of Pulitzer Prize Photographs a couple of years ago. Walking through and viewing the photos and reading the photographers description of them was very moving. Although not all changed the world many did. Many caused the world to look at events differently and caused major shifts in public sentiment and thus public policy. |
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04/02/2008 11:47:25 PM · #34 |
I think I'm being too picky, but my camera has a six megapixel resolution, so it can see the difference between a strong image, in the sense of imapct and strengthening the already held view, and worldview changing images.
I'm not sure about Vietnam images, but my impression is that the opinion at the time was that the war was bad (or was going bad) and it should be stopped, something similar to the Iraq situation now. These images only served to strengthen this point, but were not decisive in the following events. A similar image that comes to mind is Natchwey's boy from Grozny. So, it's a strong and very educational, but unfortunately it didn't have an impact on the following course of action.
Or, say, Earthrise is a wonderful, inspiring image, a magnificent one, the first portrait of our planet. But, I'm not sure that it changed the world. It inspired many people, I guess, it might have caused many funds to be spent in different projects, it might have made many people want to become scientists or astronauts or astronomers, but I don't thing its effect goes beyond that.
On the other hand, some images, say X-Ray, changed the way medicine and science developed. They've open new fields of work that weren't possible before.
Please, don't read this as an attack on what people post here, I thank for the contributions, they're very good examples, but it's just that I'd like to see this thread developing with a discussion, which (I know) will be very educational. Thanks! |
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04/03/2008 12:07:58 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by gjumi:
On the other hand, some images, say X-Ray, changed the way medicine and science developed. They've open new fields of work that weren't possible before.
Please, don't read this as an attack on what people post here, I thank for the contributions, they're very good examples, but it's just that I'd like to see this thread developing with a discussion, which (I know) will be very educational. Thanks! |
I understand what you're saying, but look at it this way: that x-ray image, the image itself, didn't change anything; it's representative of a process, of a new tool, and that tool did change the world. Earthrise, on the other hand, had a profound effect on the human consciousness. It literally changed our perspective on the planet we inhabit. Many, many people have said this, I'm not spinning it out of thin air. It may seem a little blasé now, I'm not sure, but then it was mind-altering.
As for the Vietnam stuff, it is by NO means the case that, at that precise time, the prevailing opinion in the USA was that the war should be stopped. I lived through those times, I know. It's because of the photos that came back from that war, in large part, that public opinion began to shift away from blind patriotism ("only a coward or commie refuses to support the war") and towards the anti-war camp. Prior the events of that time, it just was not acceptable to say our country was in the wrong. I believe passionately that the many great photojournalists that covered that war were a major factor in bringing public opinion around to where the government had no choice but to withdraw our troops.
Then there's Capra, Eddie Adams, those people, who collectively gave the American people a rallying point, something visible they could hang on to, something tangible, as it were, and this is part of what allowed America to be so strong in WWII as we fought these terrible battles far from our own home.
Yes, these images DID change the world, each in its own way, but collectively they certainly have had memorable impact on the human psyche.
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04/03/2008 12:41:43 AM · #36 |
Well, one more round:
I think the impact and the change that the x-ray image caused, as a single image itself, was higher than any of the Vietnam photos, seen as a single image, because these ones can work only in a series, as a collection, where quantity is just as important as the quality. The x-ray itself, the image, proved that the process is possible.
I stand corrected with the Earthrise. I was born after that time, I was born with Pioneer and Voyager, so I don't really know the impact it had at the time. Maybe it's that since and early age I say photos of the distant parts of the solar system, and now, with daily pics from Hubble, my mind has been diluted. But, your post reminded my astronomy professor, who said that it was Sputnik and the voyage to the Moon which put astronomy as an independent subject in high school curricula. Astronomy was not a hated subject mainly beacuse of the images.
I also stand corrected with the mood regarding war during the 60ties and 70ties.
As an end note, I'd like to add that I think the potential impact or missuse of an image was very well shown in Clint's movie "Flags of our fathers".
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04/03/2008 12:48:15 AM · #37 |
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04/03/2008 02:45:16 AM · #38 |
Of course This Set of Images changed photography a lot as Muybridge created the ability to stop action with a pic as well as it being the predecessor to movie making which has changed the world very much.
Message edited by author 2008-04-03 02:46:09. |
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04/03/2008 03:01:07 AM · #39 |
How about this one? A shot from the hip.
Message edited by Konador - Please don't post large photos to the forums. |
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04/03/2008 03:15:01 AM · #40 |
Wanting a Meal
Message edited by Konador - Please don't post large photos to the forums. |
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04/03/2008 03:51:33 AM · #41 |
While these didn't exactly change the world... perhaps they had a hand in changing some perceptions:
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04/03/2008 03:56:25 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by icu1965:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Bonus point for who recognizes the importance of this image....
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Isn't that the worlds first photo? Do I get extra points for naming the photographer? Joseph Nicephore Niepce |
Do I get bonus points for knowing where it is ? Harry Ransom Center, Austin, Tx.
Looks quite a bit darker than this now. |
10 bonus points for me for knowing he had waffles for breakfast that morning ;-) |
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04/03/2008 04:39:33 AM · #43 |
saddest image i've ever seen.
Message edited by Konador - Fixing Quote. |
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04/03/2008 07:54:29 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I understand what you're saying, but look at it this way: that x-ray image, the image itself, didn't change anything; it's representative of a process, of a new tool, and that tool did change the world. Earthrise, on the other hand, had a profound effect on the human consciousness. It literally changed our perspective on the planet we inhabit. Many, many people have said this, I'm not spinning it out of thin air. It may seem a little blasé now, I'm not sure, but then it was mind-altering. |
The other one in that vein would be the 'Blue Marble' shot that also really helped change perceptions about the planet we live on.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble |
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04/03/2008 09:04:36 AM · #45 |
War photography has changed people's perceptions about war at least since the American civil war of the 1860s. Then there's that famous Robert Capa photo of the Spanish (I think) soldier at the moment he is shot on the beach.
One interesting aspect of war photography is that, almost from the very beginning, it has been censored by various governments who do not want to discourage participation. |
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04/03/2008 09:13:13 AM · #46 |
Here are some of my favs. (to be updated as i find them)
  
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04/03/2008 09:24:47 AM · #47 |
This is in my opinion one of the photographs that really changed the world:
"The photo is the âPulitzer Prizeâ winning photo taken in 1994 during the Sudan Famine. The picture depicts stricken child crawling towards an United Nations food camp, located a kilometer away. The vulture is waiting for the child to die so that it can eat him. This picture shocked the whole world. No one knows what happened to the child, including the photographer Kevin Carter who left the place as soon as the photograph was taken. Three months later he committed suicide due to depression." |
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04/03/2008 09:27:34 AM · #48 |
why didnt the photog take the child? or help them?
Originally posted by orvaratli:
This is in my opinion one of the photographs that really changed the world:
"The photo is the âPulitzer Prizeâ winning photo taken in 1994 during the Sudan Famine. The picture depicts stricken child crawling towards an United Nations food camp, located a kilometer away. The vulture is waiting for the child to die so that it can eat him. This picture shocked the whole world. No one knows what happened to the child, including the photographer Kevin Carter who left the place as soon as the photograph was taken. Three months later he committed suicide due to depression." |
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04/03/2008 09:35:31 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
why didnt the photog take the child? or help them? |
"The photo is the âPulitzer Prizeâ winning photo taken in 1994 during the Sudan Famine. ... Three months later he committed suicide due to depression."
Could be he struggled with that same question. :-/ |
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04/03/2008 10:56:50 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
why didnt the photog take the child? or help them? |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter
There's a movie, too.
Message edited by author 2008-04-03 10:57:34. |
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